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Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread VIII - ** MOD NOTE POST #4781 **

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  • #4772
    Bridge93
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,018 ✭✭✭Bridge93


    connachta wrote: »
    Stockdale has great running abilities to be a 15

    He has fantastic running abilities. But yet again you just ignore all the attributes a fullback needs that you don't view as entertaining or suit your argument. Stockdale is our best winger. He should stay there


  • #4773
    connachta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,981 ✭✭✭connachta


    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    connachta wrote: »
    Stockdale has great running abilities to be a 15



    Basically for you its anyone but Kearney.
    Pretty much. You absolutely no answered what inner qualities make Kearney obvious pick. Except "organizing the back-line and his positioning".
    It matters, but no more than the qualities I described.


  • #4774
    thomond2006
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    I hope Rob Kearney plays for another 10 years.













































    This feels like 10 years of tiresomeness. Stop for the love of Jebus.


  • #4775
    connachta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,981 ✭✭✭connachta


    thomond2006 wrote: »
    I hope Rob Kearney plays for another 10 years.
    Yeah after all 34 is not old for a FB. Why 43 would be. Bring BOD back, please.


  • #4776
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 20,606 ✭ [Deleted User]


    thomond2006 wrote: »
    I hope Rob Kearney plays for another 10 years.

    I hope Rob and Dave play for long enough that their love children occupy the entire back three upon their retirement.

    Otherwise, I'd just really like if we didn't keep humouring one poster whose obsession with a single position out of the 15 is, frankly, bordering on the unhealthy.


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  • #4777
    thomond2006
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I hope Rob and Dave play for long enough that their love children occupy the entire back three upon their retirement.

    Otherwise, I'd just really like if we didn't keep humouring one poster whose obsession with a single position out of the 15 is, frankly, bordering on the unhealthy.

    It's making my Hayes obsession plausible.


  • #4778
    connachta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,981 ✭✭✭connachta


    Wanting Kearney out is sacriledge. All right


  • #4779
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 20,606 ✭ [Deleted User]


    thomond2006 wrote: »
    It's making my Hayes obsession plausible.

    Meh, I'm availing of forum functionality at this point. This thread is actually not worth the hassle otherwise.


  • #4780
    MJohnston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,734 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Meh, I'm availing of forum functionality at this point. This thread is actually not worth the hassle otherwise.

    Doesn't work, too many quoters.


  • #4781
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,100 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    The Kearney discussion is beyond boring now. This place has been a nightmare recently, the Kearney talk stops now. That includes the little jokes and the sarcasm. Any more provincial bollocks, no matter how subtle, will be carded.

    Ignore people who irritate you, and on that note there's no need to announce that you've ignored someone.


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  • #4782
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,100 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    In fact, I am locking this thread for a while so that everyone can see this post and there can be no confusion.


  • #4783
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,100 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Play nicely.


  • #4784
    aloooof
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,694 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Not sure Byrne has quite earned a spot yet then again neither had Farrell or Sweetnam so it's good to see Joe experimenting a bit.

    I agree with regards Farrell, but not Sweetnam. He's been really good for a consistent period now and deserved his place last weekend.

    As an aside (and this is complete conjecture here on my part) but I think him bringing in Farrell may suggest that the signs are not good for Payne.


  • #4785
    MJohnston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,734 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    aloooof wrote: »
    I agree with regards Farrell, but not Sweetnam. He's been really good for a consistent period now and deserved his place last weekend.

    As an aside (and this is complete conjecture here on my part) but I think him bringing in Farrell may suggest that the signs are not good for Payne.

    I would say that the signs haven't been good for Payne since the start of these headaches. The problem for Joe right now will probably be the continued mystery around them, and specifically the total uncertainty over how long he'll be out.


  • #4786
    Don Kiddick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭Don Kiddick


    Heard a few reports today that perhaps Payne could be retiring? Nothing concrete yet .. but if it's a long term concussive effect I could see it happening


  • #4787
    Malcolm Echoing Volt
    Posts: 13,106 ✭ Malcolm Echoing Volt


    Don Kiddick wrote: »
    Heard a few reports today that perhaps Payne could be retiring? Nothing concrete yet .. but if it's a long term concussive effect I could see it happening

    Would absolutely hate to see that happen but at some point he has to consider his life after rugby.


  • #4788
    MJohnston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,734 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    Don Kiddick wrote: »
    Heard a few reports today that perhaps Payne could be retiring? Nothing concrete yet .. but if it's a long term concussive effect I could see it happening

    They've said it's not concussion related:

    http://www.the42.ie/jared-payne-headache-neck-not-concussion-3709321-Nov2017/
    “(It’s) been ruled that it’s not a concussive episode, it’s another episode with the neck and the head and he’s just getting headaches after hard work.”


  • #4789
    Stheno
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    Don Kiddick wrote: »
    Heard a few reports today that perhaps Payne could be retiring? Nothing concrete yet .. but if it's a long term concussive effect I could see it happening

    Heard the same. They did say it's not concussion related though


  • #4790
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 20,606 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Re Payne, indo had an article yesterday that he still has headaches and some neck pain after heavy work (training). They did however stipulate that it is not concussion related. If it was concussion related this long after the fact I'd imagine there would be no doubt about his retirement unfortunately but given that it appears to be something else it's probably harder to gauge.

    As to whether this had an impact on bringing Farrell in - that could well be the case. Is Marshall fit up at Ulster?

    With regards to Sweetnam, maybe 'doesn't deserve' isn't the right way to put it, but I think he was good in parts of last season but average to poor at the business end outside of the injury issues he's had.

    I haven't seen anything of him this season to suggest he's at International level but with our problems in the back 3 it's not surprising that he's been given a shout. I guess the phrase 'he put his hand up for selection' just doesn't apply to these guys in my book but I'm still glad to see them getting a chance to prove themselves. Having Bowe and Trimble in the mix definitely would have been a waste of game time.


  • #4791
    Don Kiddick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭Don Kiddick


    Stheno wrote: »
    Heard the same. They did say it's not concussion related though

    That was just me wondering,


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  • #4792
    tooManyChoices
    Closed Accounts Posts: 98 ✭✭tooManyChoices


    Stheno wrote: »
    Heard the same. They did say it's not concussion related though

    Head-aches when exercising is absolutely concussion related.

    Sounds like they're obfuscating; saying that he does't have a concussion my be technically true (ie. no current bruising) but neglecting to say that e's experiencing post-concussion syndrome.


  • #4793
    clsmooth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Re Payne, indo had an article yesterday that he still has headaches and some neck pain after heavy work (training).

    Didn't Sexton reportedly have similiar headaches after heavy training/cardio a couple of years ago around the time he was stood down for a few months in France?


  • #4794
    connachta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,981 ✭✭✭connachta


    About Marmion/McGrath debate for the bench, what's your opinion guys?


  • #4795
    Buer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    connachta wrote: »
    About Marmion/McGrath debate for the bench, what's your opinion guys?

    Until Gibson-Park is qualified, you mean?


  • #4796
    connachta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,981 ✭✭✭connachta


    Buer wrote: »
    connachta wrote: »
    About Marmion/McGrath debate for the bench, what's your opinion guys?

    Until Gibson-Park is qualified, you mean?
    Am I the one who provokes now?


  • #4797
    Rigor Mortis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,914 ✭✭✭Rigor Mortis


    connachta wrote: »
    About Marmion/McGrath debate for the bench, what's your opinion guys?

    I thought Marmion was poor on Saturday. I'd give McGrath the run, because I think he could do with the extra time and also I think he is in better form than Kieran, but I wouldn't lose sleep on it.


  • #4798
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,100 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Buer wrote: »
    Until Gibson-Park is qualified, you mean?
    connachta wrote: »
    Am I the one who provokes now?

    This is exactly the sort of thing the mod warning is on about. Cut it out.


  • #4799
    MJohnston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,734 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    Marmion was relatively poor, but the problems with the breakdown have to be taken into account there a bit. I think Marmion is still ahead of McGrath, but whether Joe decides to give McGrath some time out against Argentina or not is a different question.


  • #4800
    Zzippy
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    Rigor Mortis wrote: »
    I thought Marmion was poor on Saturday. I'd give McGrath the run, because I think he could do with the extra time and also I think he is in better form than Kieran, but I wouldn't lose sleep on it.

    What was poor about his play? Bearing in mind he got crap ball from the forwards, our ruck protection was dreadful at times.


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  • #4801
    clsmooth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    connachta wrote: »
    About Marmion/McGrath debate for the bench, what's your opinion guys?

    I think theres an argument to have McGrath and Adam Byrne on the bench, get them some gametime. Marmion has had some decent game time over the last year with decent time against Wales, starts vs England and Fiji and over the summer tour and in the interest of developing depth McGrath would benefit from a runout on Saturday.

    With regards Adam Byrne, I don't think he's ready yet but a bit of gametime from the bench would surely be a big fill up for him. I'd have Stockdale/Conway/Kearney as my back 3 with Adam Byrne at 23. Conways playing excellent stuff and deserves his place. Stockdale too. Kearney brings a bit of leadership and experience. Not sure I'd have him at 15 in 6 months time, but for the moment it's definitely the right player to have at 15.


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