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School Shooting in Parkland, Florida

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    #92
    jbt123
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    Panjandrums wrote: »
    I've experienced the American flag at half mast and on the first day of class, the shock of being given a booklet of what to do during an active shooter but I've also experienced the terror that a vehicle can inflict.

    Go to bed. You're confused.


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    #93
    Hitman3000
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    Panjandrums wrote:
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    Bikes and cars are not designed to kill people, guns on the other hand when used in the manner they are designed for do. Really it's best to stop offering up a stupid analogy.


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    #94
    _Dara_
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    Sigh.


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    #95
    SimonTemplar
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    I was about to write a logical argument for why America needs to get a grip with its gun problem, but what's the point. The loss of life is terrible and for the victims' family and friend to go through such a senseless loss is unbearable, but it'll be out of the public consciousness within a few news cycles until the next one in a few months time.


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    #96
    uncleoswald
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    Homebird18 wrote: »
    Why ban automatic only why not semi?
    Well I'm not exactly down with the firearm lingo, you can go ahead and include semi-automatic in that.


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    #97
    jon1981
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    Panjandrums wrote: »
    I've experienced the American flag at half mast and on the first day of class, the shock of being given a booklet of what to do during an active shooter but I've also experienced the terror that a vehicle can inflict.

    Go to bed.


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    #98
    Panjandrums
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    #99
    Headshot
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    It's such devastating news again. How many more of these do America have to go through before they wake up.

    The country is really has ****ed up culture around guns and their police departments


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    #100
    Cookie_Monster
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    Zaph wrote: »
    At exactly what point should we start attacking gun ownership then?

    how about tackling the US culture, since it's the actual problem, not guns. how many other first world countries allow reasonably free access to firearms and have nothing even close to the same problems?

    The issue here is Americans, not guns*

    * - availability of certain rapid fire weapons undoubtedly is a problem as well though

    Interestingly gun sales and ownership rates have collapsed recently, so much so Remington has gone bankrupt this week


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    #101
    Panjandrums
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    #102
    Hitman3000
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    Panjandrums wrote:
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    Whataboutery doesn't change the fact that the sole purpose of a gun is to inflict harm or death. Although considering the idiocy of some people. Thinning the herd may not be a bad idea.


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    #103
    BorneTobyWilde
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    No words, it's just too common now. You just know he was creating his very own Saint Valentine's Day Massacre


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    #104
    dreamers75
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    Headshot wrote: »
    It's such devastating news again. How many more of these do America have to go through before they wake up.

    The country is really has ****ed up culture around guns and their police departments

    They wont, they will never change.

    Their plan is to arm teachers and teach them to fight. Whilst reddit and 4chan tell the person with the weapon to group the hostages together for maximum death......

    Give everyone a gun isnt the worst option.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/selling-guns-in-the-shadow-of-the-vegas-massacre


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    #105
    Cookie_Monster
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    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Whataboutery doesn't change the fact that the sole purpose of a gun is to inflict harm or death.

    you might want to tell the Bi-athletes in Korea competing right now about that :rolleyes:


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    #106
    TJ Mackie
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    Media plays a big role.

    Describing these scum as "deranged", "evil", "vile", "vicious" etc. along with all the coverage they get is actually glamorising being a shooter.


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    #107
    Bob_Marley
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    Panjandrums wrote: »
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    The solution is clearly to arm them, that way they can shoot one another before they die on the roads, thus reducing the high accident rate.


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    #108
    Panjandrums
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    #109
    Hitman3000
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    dreamers75 wrote:
    Their plan is to arm teachers and teach them to fight. Whilst reddit and 4chan tell the person with the weapon to group the hostages together for maximum death......

    Think there was a news report last year or the year before, how a teacher when she was using the toilet accidentally shot herself. Yeah arm the teachers great idea.


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    #110
    Zaph
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    Panjandrums wrote: »
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    A lot of things can be a weapon in the wrong hands. I could stab and kill someone with a screwdriver, so does that mean we should ban screwdrivers? Of course not, that would be absurd. However guns are weapons, so by their very nature they're designed to inflict harm, which means that your analogy is nonsense.


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    Hitman3000
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    Cookie_Monster wrote:
    Interestingly gun sales and ownership rates have collapsed recently, so much so Remington has gone bankrupt this week


    Watch the sales climb again. Sales after Sandy hook were impressive.


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    #112
    Hitman3000
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    Cookie_Monster wrote:
    you might want to tell the Bi-athletes in Korea competing right now about that


    Are they using AR 15's?


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    #113
    ceadaoin.
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    uncleoswald wrote: »
    Banning vehicles would have a cataclysmic effect on society. Banning automatic guns from the general population... and a few people will have to find a new hobby.

    Comparing them smacks of desperation.

    Automatic weapons already are banned aren't they? At least manufacture and sale of them is. Problem is there were already hundreds of thousands in the country which are still in circulation


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    #114
    Homebird18
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    Cookie_Monster wrote: »
    how about tackling the US culture, since it's the actual problem, not guns. how many other first world countries allow reasonably free access to firearms and have nothing even close to the same problems?

    The issue here is Americans, not guns*

    * - availability of certain rapid fire weapons undoubtedly is a problem as well though

    Interestingly gun sales and ownership rates have collapsed recently, so much so Remington has gone bankrupt this week

    Exactly, why do the shooters always pick soft targets like schools/churches? They want to inflict as many casualties as possible with the least amount of risk involved, they crave the attention from the media. Hi capacity magazines should be banned with out a doubt.


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    #115
    Ash.J.Williams
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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Just put on CNN there it's pretty disgusting the coverage IMO. Parents of students on the phone live reading out the texts they are getting and saying where the kids are hiding and how many are there. The reporter acting concerned while trying to milk as much information out of them as possible. What is wrong with people? I mean, if that was my child it wouldn't occur to me to call the news. Ffs

    You'd almost assume these stations have an emergency team consisting of a ground reporter and crew, a helicopter commentary team, two anchors back at the studio and a social media team ready to dispatch to the latest shooting


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    #116
    Hitman3000
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    Panjandrums wrote:
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    Enlighten me how many target or competition guns were used to carry out mass shootings in the US since 2013. The target guns they use in the Olympics or sport shooting are not automatic assault rifles. Nice try though.


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    #117
    E mac
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    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/13/remington-bankruptcy-guns-trump-slump-sales

    Obama= gun sales surge
    Trump = gun sales decline....


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    #118
    Homebird18
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    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Enlighten me how many target or competition guns were used to carry out mass shootings in the US since 2013. The target guns they use in the Olympics or sport shooting are not automatic assault rifles. Nice try though.

    Why are you fixated on automatic weapons? Mass shootings involving automatic weapons account for a very small percentage of overall gun murders in the US? They dont help of course.


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    #119
    Hitman3000
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    Homebird18 wrote:
    Why are you fixated on automatic weapons? Mass shootings involving automatic weapons account for a very small percentage of overall gun murders in the US? They dont help of course.


    I think you will find it is quite hard to kill a great number of people with a single action weapon. No fixation tbh, just curious as to why civilians need access to military grade weaponry? Like hunting ducks with an M16 or AR15 seems a bit extreme.


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    #120
    Panjandrums
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    #121
    Hitman3000
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    Panjandrums wrote:
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    You mean the sales of new automatics is banned. The point about single shot is the capacity to kill large numbers of people.
    I've served in the military and I can't think of any situation where civilians need to or should have access to auto or semi auto weaponry. As I said though a part of me is happy to see some idiots culled from the herd.


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