Dolores O'Riordan RIP (Mod warning in op)

Stonedpilot

The Nal wrote: »

She spoke about her struggles, in public, at length. It was a big part of her life and it came through in her music.

She had no issue talking about it when she was alive.

It was part of who she was. For fúcks sake.

Perhaps but does the media like The Mirror have to hint so strongly at suicide before a post mortem?. Jumping the gun.
Typical rag tabloid media.

The Nal

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Perhaps but does the media like The Mirror have to hint so strongly at suicide before a post mortem?. Jumping the gun.
Typical rag tabloid media.

True, but she admitted to a suicide attempt a few years ago. We're all thinking it, lets face it.

Just on a broader level, I'm sick of this snowflake approach to just insisting everything is nice even if the truth is clearly otherwise.

People on social media who I know only knew Linger and Zombie apparently completely inconsolable at the moment. What a bunch of attention seeking cúnts.

Hoboo

The Nal wrote: »

People on social media who I know only knew Linger and Zombie apparently completely inconsolable at the moment. What a bunch of attention seeking cúnts.

The rush to gush is a sickening trait of society.

Arne_Saknussem

The Nal wrote: »

True, but she admitted to a suicide attempt a few years ago. We're all thinking it, lets face it.

Just on a broader level, I'm sick of this snowflake approach to just insisting everything is nice even if the truth is clearly otherwise.

People on social media who I know only knew Linger and Zombie apparently completely inconsolable at the moment. What a bunch of attention seeking cúnts.

The irony is strong with The Nal.

Mr.Wemmick

Hoboo wrote: »

The rush to gush is a sickening trait of society.

The rush to moan about the gush is equally sickening.

JP Liz V1

I watched Empire Records again the other night, two great tracks on it by the band

NollagShona

The Nal wrote: »

True, but she admitted to a suicide attempt a few years ago. We're all thinking it, lets face it.

Just on a broader level, I'm sick of this snowflake approach to just insisting everything is nice even if the truth is clearly otherwise.

People on social media who I know only knew Linger and Zombie apparently completely inconsolable at the moment. What a bunch of attention seeking cúnts.

Reporting of Suicide if a very sensitive area as it can see a spike in suicides.

The Samaritans have guidelines on it.

I find this site v poor regarding careless talk v suicide

I don’t get people’s obsession with how she died. She died. That’s enough. There’s no need for the great unwashed to know why imho.

Hoboo

Mr.Wemmick wrote: »

The rush to moan about the gush is equally sickening.

And the rush to moan about the moan?

splinter65

Hoboo wrote: »

And the rush to moan about the moan?

It’s the modern world. We are a nation of moaners criers and complainers. I think lots of people feel naturally sad when they hear of the death of a young mother particularly in these kind of public tragic circumstances.
As young people are wont to do, there are loads that just want to be seen to conform with reaction to the “trending” news event “ Wow! So sad! RIP”
In rock music history not many small town girls got to front a band singing in a local accent playing guitar and selling 7 million records of one album in the US.
I wasnt a fan of The Cranberries or her particular style of singing, like anyone else I find “Linger” pleasant but Zombie is a channel changer for me when I hear it on the radio.
But of course I appreciate that many others enjoyed it greatly and feel sad today as I have done so many times recently when beloved music greats of mine have died.
Joe Duffy of course is going completely ott I fear as usual.

razorblunt

NollagShona wrote: »

Reporting of Suicide if a very sensitive area as it can see a spike in suicides.

The Samaritans have guidelines on it.

I find this site v poor regarding careless talk v suicide

I don’t get people’s obsession with how she died. She died. That’s enough. There’s no need for the great unwashed to know why imho.

Aye, it's of no significance to me and it shouldn't be to many others how it happened

Hoboo

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/our-public-grieving-over-dead-celebrities-has-reached-insufferab/

Great article, regardless of the paper. Will probably hit a few nerves but its spot on.

Stonedpilot

NollagShona wrote: »

Reporting of Suicide if a very sensitive area as it can see a spike in suicides.

The Samaritans have guidelines on it.

I find this site v poor regarding careless talk v suicide

I don’t get people’s obsession with how she died. She died. That’s enough. There’s no need for the great unwashed to know why imho.

Great unwashed of which you are part of. You will comment on it regardless. The irony.

Also media did not waste a breath reporting on Chris Cornell's or Chester Bennington's suicides. RIP to both. Great voices.

21Savage

Hoboo wrote: »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/our-public-grieving-over-dead-celebrities-has-reached-insufferab/

Great article, regardless of the paper. Will probably hit a few nerves but its spot on.

I went in to that article expecting to defend these people but it hits the nail on the head.

RikkFlair

Wasn't a huge fan but always thought this was a great tune, and its stuck on repeat in my head all day. RIP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky4CdN0x58A

glenfieldman

Arne_Saknussem wrote: »

The irony is strong with The Nal.

Id think that will sail over his head

NollagShona

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Great unwashed of which you are part of. You will comment on it regardless. The irony.

Also media did not waste a breath reporting on Chris Cornell's or Chester Bennington's suicides. RIP to both. Great voices.

I know I am. I don’t need to know how she died. It’s immaterial- she’s dead.

Those close to her and medical professionals will- that’s it

Stonedpilot

NollagShona wrote: »

I know I am. I don’t need to know how she died. It’s immaterial- she’s dead.

Those close to her and medical professionals will- that’s it

OK, but why announce it with certain celebs and not others?. Seems bizarre.

NollagShona

Stonedpilot wrote: »

OK, but why announce it with certain celebs and not others?. Seems bizarre.

A paper never refused ink- and social media is worse!

NollagShona

21Savage wrote: »

I went in to that article expecting to defend these people but it hits the nail on the head.

He glossed over the Princess Di grief fest - funny that...

danmanw8

andekwarhola wrote: »

Never liked the music but fair play to them for being so huge around the world. I didn't realize she was so young, thought she was older. Makes it even sadder.

I didn't realize she was so young either. She doesn't look old but it feels like she's been around for so long

Cee-Jay-Cee

I hope she is happy and at peace now. Very sad.

Mr.Wemmick

There was so much about her later life that I did not know about, have now read about today.

I only knew her as a shy girl starting out in the business.. all her troubles which she bravely talked about. If only she knew how much she was loved by music lovers all over the world, it would've helped her get through the darker days.. the amount of people who speak so well of her is amazing.

It is still very sad news.

NinetyTwoTeam

NollagShona wrote: »

I don’t get people’s obsession with how she died. She died. That’s enough. There’s no need for the great unwashed to know why imho.

I disagree. By glossing over or covering up deaths due to suicide or drug use, a huge disservice is done to the people who succumb to same, and their family and friends.

When someone who seemingly has it all - money, fame, a family, physically healthy, is still so unhappy they feel the need to end it all or use drugs, that should be a clue that we need to stop sweeping these things under the rug and find more effective measures to help people with depression and addiction, not to mention the fact it is one of the highest causes of death for young men and women.

Now, I'm probably biased because I have had five friends in the last 2 years die from either suicide or drugs, and I suffer from depression myself, and I understand that sometimes the family will want it kept private, and there is a fear of 'suicide clusters', but I think underreporting it will lead to more suicides in the long run. If people out there are considering suicide, maybe witnessing the pain that suicides cause to the people left behind will make them reconsider.

A former classmate of mine recently died from an overdose and the mother spoke about mental health support at the funeral and it had a very powerful effect. Because mental health supports in this country are IME, crap. My 21 year old neighbor directly across the street threw himself into the river in the center of town ten years back, and the next door neighbor, an elderly woman, did the same in 2016. It's too widespread to not be up front about it any more IMO

Bambi985

NollagShona wrote: »

I don’t get people’s obsession with how she died. She died. That’s enough. There’s no need for the great unwashed to know why imho.

She was a relatively young woman of 46 and an international rock star, people are curious. "She's dead and that's it" doesn't make sense and human instinct is to want to know why, what happened? I don't think there's anything perverse or weird or violating in that.

NollagShona

NinetyTwoTeam wrote: »

I disagree. By glossing over or covering up deaths due to suicide or drug use, a huge disservice is done to the people who succumb to same, and their family and friends.

When someone who seemingly has it all - money, fame, a family, physically healthy, is still so unhappy they feel the need to end it all or use drugs, that should be a clue that we need to stop sweeping these things under the rug and find more effective measures to help people with depression and addiction, not to mention the fact it is one of the highest causes of death for young men and women.

Now, I'm probably biased because I have had five friends in the last 2 years die from either suicide or drugs, and I suffer from depression myself, and I understand that sometimes the family will want it kept private, and there is a fear of 'suicide clusters', but I think underreporting it will lead to more suicides in the long run. If people out there are considering suicide, maybe witnessing the pain that suicides cause to the people left behind will make them reconsider.

A former classmate of mine recently died from an overdose and the mother spoke about mental health support at the funeral and it had a very powerful effect. Because mental health supports in this country are IME, crap. My 21 year old neighbor directly across the street threw himself into the river in the center of town ten years back, and the next door neighbor, an elderly woman, did the same in 2016. It's too widespread to not be up front about it any more IMO

I’d take the expert advice of professionals in the Samaritans over your ‘Strongly held belief’ tbf

The Facebook Lionising of dead friends leads to a rise in suicide as those at risk think they’d be appreciatited more dead.

I have suffered with Anxiety and Depression for over 25 years. My uncle died by suicide, I know locals that died. So I’m not being cold about it either

NollagShona

Bambi985 wrote: »

She was a relatively young woman of 46 and an international rock star, people are curious. "She's dead and that's it" doesn't make sense and human instinct is to want to know why, what happened? I don't think there's anything perverse or weird or violating in that.

Why? Curiosity killed the cat

supernova5

I can cast my mind back to February 1993 when living in Oakland California and this most alternative of alternative rock stations based in San Francisco were playing "Linger" and DJ's referring to "this quaint little Irish band called The Cranberries.
being Irish, pride was bursting through my veins to hear this hauntingly beautiful and superbly crafted tune being played on what was such an out there cutting edge radio channel
back in those days google and the internet were essentially non existent and I'm trying my utmost to find out more about this band
I immediately went searching music shops and eventually found one who just got in a batch of "Everybody Else is doing it, so why can't we"

what a lot of people don't realise is how big this band became practically overnight in many parts of the world

trying to hold back the tears here now...

King George VI

NollagShona wrote: »

I know I am. I don’t need to know how she died. It’s immaterial- she’s dead.

It's not immaterial though. Naturally when someone of young age dies of unexplained circumstances you want those circumstances damn well explained, because that could easily be you. A lad I knew died, same age as me (23 at the time). I wanted to know how someone so young could just die while I appear to be healthy. Would you still say my desire to know the circumstances of his death were immaterial?

He died of a stroke btw.

NollagShona

King George VI wrote: »

It's not immaterial though. Naturally when someone of young age dies of unexplained circumstances you want those circumstances damn well explained, because that could easily be you. A lad I knew died, same age as me (23 at the time). I wanted to know how someone so young could just die while I appear to be healthy. Would you still say my desire to know the circumstances of his death were immaterial?

He died of a stroke btw.

He was known to you so that would be understandable.

Why do random people need to know how Dolores died?

I already said who do

Bambi985

NollagShona wrote: »

Why? Curiosity killed the cat

Because most women of 46 don't just drop dead and Dolores was a public figure so we have perhaps an even greater need to know why.