2 x BEV family

peposhi

Long story short...

After been in a SV and SVE Leaf, Evalia, i3, iOniq, Zoe, eGolf and PHEV Outlander we came up with the conclusion (I think it is final) that we would be OK to replace our long term servant Yaris with another SVE Leaf...

Main reasons - the Yaris does 5-7k km a year, never really does more than 100km a day and being kept as for “just in case” occasions we used it only once for a long journey (235km each way) mainly because we did not have the 30kw Leaf back then.

The cars that dropped out the competition as follows:
• e-Golf - don’t like it and too expensive
• i3 - the OH does not like it and too expensive
• iOniq - both like it but too expensive
Evalia - noisy and don’t like it
• SV Leaf - after driving an SVE, I’d prefer to keep it that way
• PHEV Outlander - love the car not the EV range, OH does not like it and too expensive
• Zoe - meh.. both of us on the same page (no offence to Renault drivers!) even if it’s cheap we won’t ever go for its

So SVE Leaf 132 to 152 is what we would be aiming for depending on price and condition...

What is your opinion on charging 2 cars every night?
Have no electric showers, using condenser dryer, dishwasher and washing machine normally through the night.
Did not have trip switch issues while charging the current car.
Should we go for 3.3kw or 6.6kw Leaf if one is already 6.6kw and how could I spread the load so it stays safe?

goz83

I sometimes have 2 plugged in. One of them using the granny charger, but if it was a regular thing, I would want another wall charger. You should easily get away with a 3 & a 6 evse without worrying about load sharing, or trip switches. That would be the cheapest option over an outdoor socket.

ELM327

Get a 2 unit set up, one 3.3 and one 6.6 capable, both untethered.
That way, if you need to only draw 6.6kW total you can connect to the 6.6 unit with a 3.3 cable and vice versa. Then, no matter what the cars, both will only draw 3.3.

oinkely

we charge 2 at night (well we did until i sold the second leaf in December). Both were 6.6 SVE and one charged on the 32A rolec and the other using the granny cable and an external plug. Washing machine and dishwasher are also on night rate but are usually timed to finish around the time we get up so the car on the 32A would always be finished charging by then. Had no problems at all.

peposhi

ELM327 wrote: »

Get a 2 unit set up, one 3.3 and one 6.6 capable, both untethered.
That way, if you need to only draw 6.6kW total you can connect to the 6.6 unit with a 3.3 cable and vice versa. Then, no matter what the cars, both will only draw 3.3.

2 HCPs is that what you mean? Or one that does 2 cars at the same time?

peposhi

I have narrowed the selection to 3 cars now.
All Leafs 24kwh with 6.6kw charger.

1. 141, 61k, seem pretty well kept, only 4 fast charges ever, only 2 services - one at 30k and one at 61k (like 2 days ago)
2. 142, 46k, a bit “messy” feeling about that one, drives well, but the drivers door is not alligned properly - slightly dropped.
3. 151, 38k the car has had a replaced wing and bumper but nothing serious. (Yet to see the car and drive it)

The first is the cheapest. All bars still there. Liked the general feel of a taken care car (still smelled like new inside, perhaps I am imaging it)
The second... uuuh, not sure about that door. When I first opened it it just went wide open as if it was going to bend forward. Inside was not really well kept...
Third one... spoke to the owner. Seemed very genuine and open to discuss the +/- of his car. Have to see it though...

There’s about €2k difference between the cheapest and the most expensive.


What would you advise?!?

goz83

I would rule out the second one. Aside from the door, it was messy inside and that's a clear sign of someone not giving a toss about their car.

Look at the third one. A proper repair would have had the car put back to previous condition, so I would look for repair receipts and would properly inspect the car.

It sounds like the first one is the pick though. These must be Irish cars? Most of the UK ones have lower miles.

unkel

The 151 is better value for money at only 2k more than the 141. The depreciation between 3 and 4 years old is a lot more than that. But if you're going to keep the car forever, potential resale value makes no difference to you. All private sales? You might as well go see the 151 and if you then prefer the 141, go make him a "realistic" cash offer

Good luck!

peposhi

goz83 wrote: »

I would rule out the second one. Aside from the door, it was messy inside and that's a clear sign of someone not giving a toss about their car.

Look at the third one. A proper repair would have had the car put back to previous condition, so I would look for repair receipts and would properly inspect the car.

It sounds like the first one is the pick though. These must be Irish cars? Most of the UK ones have lower miles.

The first one is the winner so far (until I see the 151).
All cars are imported

peposhi

unkel wrote: »

The 151 is better value for money at only 2k more than the 141. The depreciation between 3 and 4 years old is a lot more than that. But if you're going to keep the car forever, potential resale value makes no difference to you. All private sales? You might as well go see the 151 and if you then prefer the 141, go make him a "realistic" cash offer

Good luck!

For the first two I am getting the ICE traded in for small money.
The 151 is a private sale so it might involve first selling the ice if funds are not enough.
The intention is to use one of the Leafs in 5-6 years time to get a really long range EV. Well... that’s the plan. We had the Yaris for what 8-9 years now and it was not planned to keep it so long. It was just a good servant so never rushed it.

I got a finance application form declined this morning though. I tried to get the loan on my own with 2 mortgages so it was a no-no as the second one is still fresh. Have to include the wife’s power next week. Or ask our local best - CU who likes to take the risk. Just like ourselves.

KCross

peposhi wrote: »

What is your opinion on charging 2 cars every night?
Have no electric showers, using condenser dryer, dishwasher and washing machine normally through the night.
Did not have trip switch issues while charging the current car.
Should we go for 3.3kw or 6.6kw Leaf if one is already 6.6kw and how could I spread the load so it stays safe?

Option 1
Set one to start charging at the start of night rate.
Set the other to finish at the end of night rate by not setting a start time.

If they are both 6.6kW cars and you have two 32A chargers you will have no overlap with that setup.

Your electrician might be a bit iffy about that setup though.

Option 2
I presume you are applying for the grant. You should investigate the load sharing charge points... Tesla and Zappi are two I know of. With those you can set the max combined current for the two charge points and then let the two charge points figure out how to spread that load across the two cars.

Option 3
Alternatively, just charge one car on a granny EVSE and one on the 32A EVSE and all will be well. Not sure I'd like to be using the granny EVSE long term though unless you have a weatherproof outdoor socket in the right location.

peposhi

Finance approved.
Hunt has started.
The black one was sold today.
Bringing my OH to see the grey on Tuesday.

She really wants a red one, I really want a 6.6 SVE... hard to find

peposhi

Oh.., it’s got to be flame red, not just whatever red

peposhi

peposhi wrote: »

Oh.., it’s got to be flame red, not just whatever red

Windsor Airside will have our 152 6.6 kW SVE in the wrong red (magnetic) once the new car arrives.

peposhi

samih wrote: »

Windsor Airside will have our 152 6.6 kW SVE in the wrong red (magnetic) once the new car arrives.

Could you PM me some details. Might be of interest to discuss a possible deal?

peposhi

A step further...
Watch this space...

peposhi

So

Yaris was sold on Thursday for what I thought was an exceptionally good price. Good it did as the exchange rate was a killer so part of the loss was recovered by the higher sale price of the ICE.
Flame Red 151 SVE with 6.6kw charger paid and ready to be transported.
We should collect the car on Wednesday eve and officially our family will become a 2BEV one

unkel

Well wear mister 2 * EV man!

What's the new Leaf, 24kWh or 30kWh? How much did you get it for?

peposhi

unkel wrote: »

Well wear mister 2 * EV man!

What's the new Leaf, 24kWh or 30kWh? How much did you get it for?

24kWh, unkel.
It costs me as much as I got as a trade in price for my 3.3kw SV a year ago. It has 18000 miles on it.

peposhi

That’s it!

We are now officially 2 BEV family

“Dearie” is the name my wife picked for her flame red Leaf...

peposhi

Happily parked outside

unkel

Well wear to Dearie

peposhi

unkel wrote: »

Well wear to Dearie

Have to thank to Rumplstillskin for the name hahaha
She’s mad about one of them serials...

Thud

What charging solution did you go for in the end?
I assume in the long run a lot of families will need two charging points, I'm getting one installed and wondering if I can future proof it somewhat.

KCross

Thud wrote: »

What charging solution did you go for in the end?
I assume in the long run a lot of families will need two charging points, I'm getting one installed and wondering if I can future proof it somewhat.

imo, future proofing for two EV's would be the following:

1) Since you are pulling a new cable for one EVSE, pull two cables now of at least 6mm2(10mm2 for long runs). Its as easy to pull two cables as one and the cable is cheap. That then allows you to add a second full rated 32A EVSE later on without having to drill holes etc again. Just connect both ends of the cable.

2) Get a charge point that allows load sharing so that when you get the 2nd EV you can just get a second EVSE of the same type and connect it up and they will communicate with each other. The two I know that can load share are the Zappi and the Tesla Wall Connector.

Load sharing is important if you plan to run two 32A EVSE's as most houses wont be able to take a 64A load and run other household items at the same time. Load sharing allows either car to pull 32A but the overall draw to not go over a value you set (say 48A).

peposhi

peposhi wrote: »

24kWh, unkel.
It costs me as much as I got as a trade in price for my 3.3kw SV a year ago. It has 18000 miles on it.

Actually, unkel...
it costed me a thousand euro cheaper after doing the proper maths...
yupeee

peposhi

Thud wrote: »

What charging solution did you go for in the end?
I assume in the long run a lot of families will need two charging points, I'm getting one installed and wondering if I can future proof it somewhat.

I was originally going to fit a second charger at home and have both cars plugged in overnight with a 3 or 4 hours gap between the starting times on their timers (the smaller battery first)
Since we got a new office for my wife, the second charger will be installed at the new premises. She’d charge whenever she needs, mostly during the day. A few extra euros won’t hurt the bank afte making all the savings by having 2 EVs.

Currently I charge the car id need ready for the morning. Sometimes both, once the first one is finished and I’m still up.
During the storm ⛈ I kept them both constantly at 90-100% ready as I didn’t know when and what would have been needed... just in case.

peposhi

More than two months of being a 2 BEVs family. Yaris is not missed, charging still OK even with 1 HCP, the L40 still does the longer journeys when necessary and it’s great to jump into either car and just... drive...
I had some excessive (for my day routine) driving last 2 weeks and almost every single day I did 140-200km. I sat down at the end and realised I would not have been so keen to do that kind of driving if it had to be done in an ICE.

Two weeks ago I took a large (very old) van from a friend and drove an hour or so each way to my destination. Went to the petrol station as it needed a good bit of engine oil top up. I paid E30 for diesel and E15! for 1 little of 10W40... oh, how I don’t miss paying that king of money...

The TCU has to be replaced on the L24 and I am bringing it to Nissan Naas next Wednesday.

unkel

peposhi wrote: »

I had some excessive (for my day routine) driving last 2 weeks and almost every single day I did 140-200km. I sat down at the end and realised I would not have been so keen to do that kind of driving if it had to be done in an ICE.

That's a good point that is not made that often in here.

Even coming from comfortable large saloons myself, like BMW 7-series and many 5-series, Jaguar S-type, all automatic, a long time spent driving an EV is very easy work with the autonomous driving helping quite a bit (particularly on heavy motorway traffic)

peposhi

unkel wrote: »

That's a good point that is not made that often in here.

Even coming from comfortable large saloons myself, like BMW 7-series and many 5-series, Jaguar S-type, all automatic, a long time spent driving an EV is very easy work with the autonomous driving helping quite a bit (particularly on heavy motorway traffic)

For me it’s more about cost... love the fact I have stopped (for a long time now) spending €100+150 every two weeks to fill up the A4 + €50 a month for the Yaris

Shefwedfan

peposhi wrote: »

More than two months of being a 2 BEVs family. Yaris is not missed, charging still OK even with 1 HCP, the L40 still does the longer journeys when necessary and it’s great to jump into either car and just... drive...
I had some excessive (for my day routine) driving last 2 weeks and almost every single day I did 140-200km. I sat down at the end and realised I would not have been so keen to do that kind of driving if it had to be done in an ICE.

Two weeks ago I took a large (very old) van from a friend and drove an hour or so each way to my destination. Went to the petrol station as it needed a good bit of engine oil top up. I paid E30 for diesel and E15! for 1 little of 10W40... oh, how I don’t miss paying that king of money...

The TCU has to be replaced on the L24 and I am bringing it to Nissan Naas next Wednesday.

What the hell is a L24 and a L40????

ELM327

Shefwedfan wrote: »

What the hell is a L24 and a L40????

Leaf 24kWh and Leaf 40kWh
I didn't like it either but it's growing into accepted online parlance.

mordeith

Shefwedfan wrote: »

What the hell is a L24 and a L40????

24 and 40kw Leaf(s)?

peposhi

Shefwedfan wrote: »

What the hell is a L24 and a L40????

Much quicker when typing. We are talking about Leafs mainly anyway so L24, L30, L40 and soon to be L60 is cool way to call it (for me at least )

Shefwedfan

peposhi wrote: »

For me it’s more about cost... love the fact I have stopped (for a long time now) spending €100+150 every two weeks to fill up the A4 + €50 a month for the Yaris

What you should do is save the money from the fuel and then have a big stash of cash to buy the new car :-)

That was my plan but it didn't happen that way :-)

peposhi

Shefwedfan wrote: »

What you should do is save the money from the fuel and then have a big stash of cash to buy the new car :-)

That was my plan but it didn't happen that way :-)

Oh... if all my plans have happened as planned

peposhi

After getting used to the quicker fast charging in the L30 for the last few days I’ve been driving the L24 (wifey took over it for the longer journeys she has) and have to say I am getting uncomfortable waiting to top up. Bear in mind I needed it, not that I do it for the free leccy...
Got the TCU replaced and will ring Nissan EU to get it connected

peposhi

There’s something I’ve noticed since we bought the SVE L24.
The best GOM I had so far after an overnight charge was just shy of 150km and regularly I’d see 138/140km.
At first I thought it was the cold weather. Apparently it is not. Still getting the same.
In my old SV L24 I would regularly reach 170km and 181 I think was my beat GON after three car was charged to 100%.
What would your experience be?

unkel

peposhi wrote: »

In my old SV L24 I would regularly reach 170km and 181

You are very good at using hypermiling so! I've never even seen anyone reporting they got 181km out of a 24kWh Leaf. But I'll take your word for it though. It would be great if you could prove and share your 181km range on youtube though!

There is a Youtube video of a German guy in his 28kWh Ioniq getting 400km though

So to recap: 24kWh Leaf - 181km. 28kWh Ioniq - 400km. Efficiency of Ioniq is almost 100% better...

peposhi

unkel wrote: »

You are very good at using hypermiling so! I've never even seen anyone reporting they got 181km out of a 24kWh Leaf. But I'll take your word for it though. It would be great if you could prove and share your 181km range on youtube though!

There is a Youtube video of a German guy in his 28kWh Ioniq getting 400km though

So to recap: 24kWh Leaf - 181km. 28kWh Ioniq - 400km. Efficiency of Ioniq is almost 100% better...

GOM reading, Unkel, not real distance driven. I have never been able to achieve what the GOM says.
And yes I did have high GOM readings as at the beginning I was seriously minding my driving habits. On the L30 my best GOM was 236km at 100% charge.
The more I drive an EV the less I care though.
Now I drive both cars like I stole them (most of the times) and only mind my driving when someone is with me in the car...

unkel

I drive slowest with my dog in the car

And like a maniac if it is just me...

creedp

peposhi wrote: »

GOM reading, Unkel, not real distance driven. I have never been able to achieve what the GOM says.
And yes I did have high GOM readings as at the beginning I was seriously minding my driving habits. On the L30 my best GOM was 236km at 100% charge.
The more I drive an EV the less I care though.
Now I drive both cars like I stole them (most of the times) and only mind my driving when someone is with me in the car...

Christ I must have a dud L30!! The best I currently get on the GOM is 182km and that's after charging to 100% after my commute to work. If I charge to 100% after my commute home I'm only getting 161km!! Difference is due to elevation. I did remember at one point hitting 200km on the GOM but that was very much a once off case.

Then again my battery SOH is running between 90.8% and 92.2% on a 2016 with 55k km which is troubling to say the least. I think I made a mistake buying a car without checking it via Leafspy!

peposhi

creedp wrote: »

Christ I must have a dud L30!! The best I currently get on the GOM is 182km and that's after charging to 100% after my commute to work. If I charge to 100% after my commute home I'm only getting 161km!! Difference is due to elevation. I did remember at one point hitting 200km on the GOM but that was very much a once off case.

Then again my battery SOH is running between 90.8% and 92.2% on a 2016 with 55k km which is troubling to say the least. I think I made a mistake buying a car without checking it via Leafspy!

Hmm... what’s your average consumption? I am not a saint behind the wheels especially when on my own and in a hurry (a lot of times lately) but can still scrape the results on my quiet saint like days.
I got 44k km on it. Never did the Leafspy (still setting this up after nearly 3.5 years) check.
And I did have 160-ish but it would have been normally in a very cold day.
What’s the longest ever distance you did in your L30 with 100% to x% charge left?

Once I did AFAIRC 175 with 2% left mixed driving in a very bad weather.

creedp

peposhi wrote: »

Hmm... what’s your average consumption? I am not a saint behind the wheels especially when on my own and in a hurry (a lot of times lately) but can still scrape the results on my quiet saint like days.
I got 44k km on it. Never did the Leafspy (still setting this up after nearly 3.5 years) check.
And I did have 160-ish but it would have been normally in a very cold day.
What’s the longest ever distance you did in your L30 with 100% to x% charge left?

Once I did AFAIRC 175 with 2% left mixed driving in a very bad weather.

I'm getting nowhere near that kind of range. The most I have ever driven between charges is approx 130kms which is my commute. In early April when the weather was colder 130kms used up 85% of the battery (1.5km per %). Yesterday a slight variation of that commute of 137.8km used 81% of the battery (1.7km per %). So the warmer weather has improved the range but even now the max theoretical range is only 170km.

By the way according to Nissan app my average consumption is now 15kwh/100kms down from 16kwh/100km a couple of weeks back.

Finally do you drive with eco / B mode on or off? Do you notice much difference in efficiency when these nodes are selected?

peposhi

creedp wrote: »

I'm getting nowhere near that kind of range. The most I have ever driven between charges is approx 130kms which is my commute. In early April when the weather was colder 130kms used up 85% of the battery (1.5km per %). Yesterday a slight variation of that commute of 137.8km used 81% of the battery (1.7km per %). So the warmer weather has improved the range but even now the max theoretical range is only 170km.

By the way according to Nissan app my average consumption is now 15kwh/100kms down from 16kwh/100km a couple of weeks back.

Finally do you drive with eco / B mode on or off? Do you notice much difference in efficiency when these nodes are selected?

Although I like the B-mode, I only use it in traffic now. When driving on open road/long distance is always recommended to drive in D to maximise your range as you glide more often thus preserving loss of energy.
A few weeks ago I did 77km from home to Dublin City Centre with 39% (road descending). I was with my parents who are in their 70s so I was driving with a Leafspeed and ECO mode on the motorway. If I needed to I could have made the journey back without charging.
One thing I do when looking to drive efficiently- try to keep the “throttle” within dot 1 and dot 2, regardless if you are driving in ECO or not...

Calahonda52

It is worth noting that the required pressure on the brake when in eco mode is a lot less than when not so switching between the two can be tricky unless you are aware, especially in traffic.

peposhi

Long time since I last posted here.

It’s been a happy Leaf-ing since we got the cars with a few shaky moments since I forgot to switch on the granny cable at the socket...
We are managing fine with one 7kw charger and the granny.
Moved house too so that helps as both cars can be parked beside each other.
The L30 has done 56k already and had its second service. Got the tires replaced and went for Dayton. Not sure if I made the right decision as car seems to be less efficient and noisier. It could be just me as the tires are new so better grip- less efficient driving may be the case.
Booked the L30 for a service as it developed a strange whining sound (like a fan going too fast or something) and it’s most noticeable when driving between 40 and 80km/h. Going to Nissan Naas next Wednesday to check it over before the warranty expires.

Test drove the Kona and again the L40... although I like both I can not justify spending 38k just for a Kona’s range and 30k just for the L40s looks and e-Pedal ... well, Kona’s range ruined the L40 dream for me, so now it has to be at least 60kwh battery car if it’s an EV)...
I am again thinking of getting an i3REX, but the wife shot me down... again...

I guess I have too much time to think rather than focus on what’s best to do...

mordeith

"peposhi wrote: »

I am again thinking of getting an i3REX, but the wife shot me down... again...

Out of curiosity, what's her objection to the i3?

Shefwedfan

mordeith wrote: »

Out of curiosity, what's her objection to the i3?

Probably the pram wheels :P

mordeith

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Probably the pram wheels :P

Hah, maybe. They're actually pretty agile in fairness. I've also had to go through some deep water on a back road recently and it cut through it.

unkel

If she has no problem with the ugliness of the Leaf, how can she possibly have objections to the i3?