Crib Controversy at Beaumont Hospital

Creative83

Just wondering what people make of this...

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/save-crib-petition-at-beaumont-hospital-gathers-1-000-signatures-1.3335652

Personally I think the cribs at the entrances to the wards are a good thing. They give a lot of people comfort particularly the elderly who may not have long left. I also fully understand that we live in a much more secular society but removing the cribs from the entrances to the ward seems a bit cruel... if only that it is giving some level of comfort to some people and a lot of our elderly.

From speaking to someone about it... and I don't know if it's true or not... a complaint was given to management from a member of another faith on the staff which kicked things off... I can't verify that though but apparently it's in another article. If this is the case then I think it's all rather pathetic.

Leave the cribs alone... they aren't hurting anyone and they are at the entrances only... not in everyones face.

Fann Linn

Now if only you could go to Saudi or elsewhere and complain about religious belief or symbolism.

Army_of_One

I really don't think pandering to delusional adults is the way to go.

PeterParker957

Army_of_One wrote: »

I really don't think pandering to delusional adults is the way to go.

Really ? It's Christmas Eve ffs, can you not just let one go without slagging religion??

The_Valeyard

Army_of_One wrote: »

I really don't think pandering to delusional adults is the way to go.

Ohh sooooo edgy. God bless you.

RasTa

I had my first stay in hospital a few months back. Why was there people in normal clothes going around trying to hand out communion in the wards every day?

Blanchardstown hospital. Is this the same everywhere?

Atlantic Dawn

Who purchased the cribs in the first place? What budget does it come out of?

Harry Palmr

Classic case of policy designed to head off a controversy that doesn't exist, and so creating one.

RobertKK

Some people like being offended so they can complain they are offended.

wakka12

Army_of_One wrote: »

I really don't think pandering to delusional adults is the way to go.

Lots of these people are old and have been taught throughout most of their entire life since they were very young children that god is very powerful and that he undoubtedly exists, by their parents ,family, school and the government. So obviously a lot of them will still be believing in it, and Im sure a lot of them on their way out of life at the moment take some level of comfort in the belief that god exists. So you can have a bit of respect for them

I don't believe in god but we as younger people grew up in a society that widely rejects religion so I can at least understand where the older generation are coming from though

Mint Sauce

RobertKK wrote: »

Some people like being offended so they can complain they are offended.

And some people think you should be offended, so they complain on behalf of you.

Fann Linn

wakka12 wrote: »

Lots of these people are old and have been taught throughout most of their entire life since they were very young children that god is very powerful and that he undoubtedly exists, by their parents ,family, school and the government. So obviously a lot of them will still be believing in it, and Im sure a lot of them on their way out of life at the moment take some level of comfort in the belief that god exists. So you can have a bit of respect for them

I don't believe in god but we as younger people grew up in a society that widely rejects religion so I can at least understand where the older generation are coming from though

Same here. Wouldn't be a believer myself but wouldn't go out of my way to insult those that do.

murpho999

Why should hospitals, places of science have religious symbolism in them in this day and age. Just don't see the point.

Creative83

wakka12 wrote: »

Lots of these people are old and have been taught throughout most of their entire life since they were very young children that god is very powerful and that he undoubtedly exists, by their parents ,family, school and the government. So obviously a lot of them will still be believing in it, and Im sure a lot of them on their way out of life at the moment take some level of comfort in the belief that god exists. So you can have a bit of respect for them

I don't believe in god but we as younger people grew up in a society that widely rejects religion so I can at least understand where the older generation are coming from though

Also, we should remember that these people may very well have seen their own relatives in Beaumont around Xmas before they passed away and the cribs have always been present for that before. To all of a sudden take them away would be terrible for them I think

JackTaylorFan

All this cribbing and cribs
Makes me wanna spout in ad-libs
I got no time for religion and all of its fibs
But I still give no ****s about this

Creative83

murpho999 wrote: »

Why should hospitals, places of science have religious symbolism in them in this day and age. Just don't see the point.

Because they give some people & a lot of our elderly comfort... this point has been well made already

SEPT 23 1989

Yes because when you are in a hospital with someone who is seriously ill you have the time to get offended by a few fcuking plastic figures

RiderOnTheStorm

In order to be more PC, why do management types subtract instead of add? Why remove cribs, when you can add a menorah at Honika, lights for Diwali, decorative slogans for Ramadan, and this would be more encompassing of other faiths.

Mint Sauce

RasTa wrote: »

I had my first stay in hospital a few months back. Why was there people in normal clothes going around trying to hand out communion in the wards every day?

Blanchardstown hospital. Is this the same everywhere?

They are Lay People or Chaplans. There was probably just a Mass Celebrated in the Hospital RC Chapel/Oratory. Most Hospitals here have one, also have a CoI Chapel, and/or Multi-faith prayer rooms for other religions.

Considering that Ireland is also traditionally a RC country, people who are sick, may also find comfort in this.

Army_of_One

PeterParker957 wrote: »

Really ? It's Christmas Eve ffs, can you not just let one go without slagging religion??

No.

Seriously.


Think about it.

A virgin birth(2000 yrs before IVF) of a women with a wood cutter. The son goes on to make the biggest capitalist discovery ever(turning water into wine, $$$$$) and then dies.Gets re-animated as a corpse 3 days later and causes mayhem for 100's and 100's of years.

Fast forward to now and those same believers belong to an organistation thats actively protected child abusers and facilitaed that abuse.

BTW the 24th/25th celebrate older gods than yours.

Mikewalsh

RiderOnTheStorm wrote: »

In order to be more PC, why do management types subtract instead of add? Why remove cribs, when you can add a menorah at Honika, lights for Diwali, decorative slogans for Ramadan, and this would be more encompassing of other faiths.

There'd prob be no end to it once you start catering for all

pjohnson

Army_of_One wrote: »

No.

Seriously.


Think about it.

A virgin birth(2000 yrs before IVF) of a women with a wood cutter. The son goes on to make the biggest capitalist discovery ever(turning water into wine, $$$$$) and then dies.Gets re-animated as a corpse 3 days later and causes mayhem for 100's and 100's of years.

Fast forward to now and those same believers belong to an organistation thats actively protected child abusers and facilitaed that abuse.

BTW the 24th/25th celebrate older gods than yours.

I see why you are alone.

RobertKK

A maternity scene in a hospital is offensive... :pac:

somesoldiers

I'd be more worried about all the smokers having a fag outside the hospital entrance on the "smoke free"campus

Army_of_One

The_Valeyard wrote: »

God bless you.

Whatever:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Spanish Eyes

Those of other faiths are probably not in the least bit worried by a crib at Christmas at all.

Some suit with a clipboard I am guessing made this decision.

PeterParker957

Army_of_One wrote: »

PeterParker957 wrote: »

Really ? It's Christmas Eve ffs, can you not just let one go without slagging religion??

No.

Seriously.


Think about it.

A virgin birth(2000 yrs before IVF) of a women with a wood cutter. The son goes on to make the biggest capitalist discovery ever(turning water into wine, $$$) and then dies.Gets re-animated as a corpse 3 days later and causes mayhem for 100's and 100's of years.

Fast forward to now and those same believers belong to an organistation thats actively protected child abusers and facilitaed that abuse.

BTW the 24th/25th celebrate older gods than yours.

I'll pray for you.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Army_of_One wrote: »

No.

Seriously.


Think about it.

A virgin birth(2000 yrs before IVF) of a women with a wood cutter. The son goes on to make the biggest capitalist discovery ever(turning water into wine, $$$$$) and then dies.Gets re-animated as a corpse 3 days later and causes mayhem for 100's and 100's of years.

Fast forward to now and those same believers belong to an organistation thats actively protected child abusers and facilitaed that abuse.

BTW the 24th/25th celebrate older gods than yours.

I'm sure Christmas Day in your house is a scream.

pjohnson

Itzayana Enough Floor wrote: »

I'm sure Christmas Day in your house is a scream.

Ready meal for one surely.

Creative83

somesoldiers wrote: »

I'd be more worried about all the smokers having a fag outside the hospital entrance on the "smoke free"campus

Like it or not... people that smoke are going to smoke. To make the whole site "smoke free" was ridiculous in the first place. I don't know if you know Beaumont Hospital but the grounds are huge! You usually see a load of the staff at one of the two entrances puffing away.

They should have just simply provided a smoking area.

Army_of_One

pjohnson wrote: »

I see why you are alone.

either alone are go to a church lol

Gimme a break.....

baylah17

There is no place for religious icons in any state funded institution
End of

pjohnson

Army_of_One wrote: »

either alone are go to a church lol

Gimme a break.....

Well I cant imagine any family want you around preaching about priests being abusers in the middle of a family Christmas dinner.

SEPT 23 1989

baylah17 wrote: »

There is no place for religious icons in any state funded institution
End of

If it gives the older folk a bit of peace when they are ill what's the harm?

The_Valeyard

Army_of_One wrote: »

either alone are go to a church lol

Gimme a break.....

You have one. Jesus got you a couple of days off.

Creative83

baylah17 wrote: »

There is no place for religious icons in any state funded institution
End of

I don't know if you still have grandparents or not.... even your parents who may be devout Christians... is that what you would tell them? On their deathbed in Beaumont or any other hospital? You don't think that would be cruel?

Army_of_One

PeterParker957 wrote: »

I'll pray for you.

Cool. Thanks,but in fairness thats gonna do feck all.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Army_of_One wrote: »

Cool. Thanks,but in fairness thats gonna do feck all.

Then I'll pray for you too.

Creative83

Itzayana Enough Floor wrote: »

Then I'll pray for you too.

I'll give him 10 Hail Marys

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

mini_Sapphire wrote: »

I'll give him 10 Hail Marys

Great.

I'll do a act of contrition by proxy on his behalf.

Peatys

Army_of_One wrote: »

either alone are go to a church lol

Gimme a break.....

They the only two options in your head? Good luck to you.

FTA69

Oh for God’s sake. I’m an atheist and secularist, I don’t believe in religious instruction in schools and out legal system etc but you’d want to be doolally to be whinging about a bloody crib at Christmas time. If someone of a different faith finds themselves lacking then by all means whack up a Hindu/Muslim/Jewish effigy as well, I’m sure nobody will give a sh*te.

It sounds like one blowhard made a fuss and others hopped on it, meanwhile 99% of us reasonable characters couldn’t care less.

chocksaway

It being a Sunday - is there anything to be said for another mass?

Atlantic Dawn

chocksaway wrote: »

It being a Sunday - is there anything to be said for another mass?

We would need a priest who can really work the altar

Capt'n Midnight

Placebos work.
Even when you know they are placebos.
Even when the patients are medical staff and they know about the placebos.

If you believe then it can't hurt.
If you don't believe then it can't hurt.

baylah17

baylah17 wrote: »

There is no place for religious icons in any state funded institution
End of

Eh, when Irish people get on board the Atheist Express to the extent that they want to spend billions of euro buying the hospitals from the religious institutions which founded and continue to own them, "beggars can't be choosers" applies to the Irish state. Where are atheists going to find those billions to buy out religious ownership of the vast majority of hospitals and schools in Ireland? Well?

Cheeky, delusional bastards telling the RC that religious symbols are not acceptable on RC property. Brazen. Build your own hospitals on your own land and then you have a point.

Omackeral

murpho999 wrote: »

Why should hospitals, places of science have religious symbolism in them in this day and age. Just don't see the point.

Science bless you.

Lau2976

Usually things like this don’t bother me. I grew up in a multifaith home where religion wasn’t pushed on me.

But this irks me a lot. My mother’s jewish and I know that she finds it more upsetting then she’s willing to admit that the religious beliefs of some (mainly Christians) is constantly shoved down her throat. Yes it’s a catholic country and yes it’s happened for years but why do we have to continue?

All or none should be catered for and it’s impractical to think that all can be.

I understand the argument of elderly people but why should elderly people of a Christian faith get that comfort and not those of other faiths? It might be a catholic country but plenty of citizens are not Christian and they deserve to be afforded the same level of comfort.

Odhinn

Fann Linn wrote: »

Now if only you could go to Saudi or elsewhere and complain about religious belief or symbolism.

...whats that to do with cribs in beaumont?

baylah17

mini_Sapphire wrote: »

baylah17 wrote: »

There is no place for religious icons in any state funded institution
End of

I don't know if you still have grandparents or not.... even your parents who may be devout Christians... is that what you would tell them? On their deathbed in Beaumont or any other hospital? You don't think that would be cruel?

No I don't think it would be cruel
It is not the place of the state to endorse one or any religion over another.
Religion is something that belongs in the private sphere
And by the way I'm 53 and my mother is battling cancer

Jerichoholic

Anyone outraged by a crib is nothing but a sad attention seeker.