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Clonskeagh Mosque - Homeless

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    #242
    PeterParker957
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    dreamliner wrote: »
    quintana76 wrote: »
    511 wrote: »
    Of course. A religion is a cult that became mainstream.

    Absolutely true. Islam still seems to have held on to it's cultish antecedents far more than others. Despite appearances to the contrary there still seems to be a deep insecurity as manifested for example in the death sentence for leaving the religion.

    Not sure about that, the view of Muslims I've spoken to of people who leave the faith (which is actually an extremely minute number even in the west) is that they pity them. Not much anger but rather pity ... obviously most religions teach the same thing about our fate if we follow a different path in life ... an understandable reaction therefore.

    It's also possible they're lying to you. Apostates are killed around the world.


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    #243
    Help!!!!
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    dreamliner wrote: »
    Not sure about that, the view of Muslims I've spoken to of people who leave the faith (which is actually an extremely minute number even in the west) is that they pity them. Not much anger but rather pity ... obviously most religions teach the same thing about our fate if we follow a different path in life ... an understandable reaction therefore.

    Apostates are condemned to death in Islamic scripture
    Could you answer the questions I asked you #237?


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    #244
    corner of hells
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    Help!!!! wrote: »
    corner of hells wrote: »
    The support that's being provided is called " Cold Weather Initiative " specifically for rough sleepers.
    It activates when there's a cold snap or drop in temperature.
    Most charities or groups involved with homeless individuals activate a few beds.
    The individual presents at a late hour and leaves early in the morning with food and a crash mat bring provided.
    I've worked quite a bit with rough sleepers most are barely able to eat and just want to sleep.

    How on earth you'd convert or recruit them is beyond me .

    Same as any other cult

    How in the space of a night or two would you convert a homeless roughsleeper possibly suffering from mental ill health and addiction to Muslim fundamentalist?


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    #245
    Help!!!!
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    corner of hells wrote: »
    How in the space of a night or two would you convert a homeless roughsleeper possibly suffering from mental ill health and addiction to Muslim fundamentalist?

    Because they will encourage them to come back, they will go down to the homeless areas etc Its not that hard to do:rolleyes:


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    #246
    corner of hells
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    Help!!!! wrote: »
    corner of hells wrote: »
    How in the space of a night or two would you convert a homeless roughsleeper possibly suffering from mental ill health and addiction to Muslim fundamentalist?

    Because they will encourage them to come back, they will go down to the homeless areas etc Its not that hard to do:rolleyes:

    Any idea what's involved in treating addiction for a homeless person ?


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    #247
    Help!!!!
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    corner of hells wrote: »
    Any idea what's involved in treating addiction for a homeless person ?

    Yes I do actually. Not all on the streets are addicts though
    Have you ever seen someone who was a really nice person get radicalised?


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    #248
    corner of hells
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    I know that , so tell us about a detox ?


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    #249
    Help!!!!
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    corner of hells wrote: »
    I know that , so tell us about a detox ?

    You know what?


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    #250
    corner of hells
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    Help!!!! wrote: »
    corner of hells wrote: »
    Any idea what's involved in treating addiction for a homeless person ?

    Yes I do actually. Not all on the streets are addicts though
    Have you ever seen someone who was a really nice person get radicalised?

    No .


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    #251
    corner of hells
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    I know all homeless people aren't addicts.


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    #252
    Help!!!!
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    corner of hells wrote: »
    No .

    It depends on what addiction the person has & how strong dependency they have on it, family issues with addiction

    So lets say heroin
    Withdrawal can last up to several months, The person is better going cold turkey, methadone is usually used but it is actually worse for the person. They would be better off smoking cannabis
    Along with abstaining from using the person would usually go see a psychiatrist or similar to work over any underlying problems

    I was addicted for many years, it did not put me on the streets but I do have depression now, which is why I'd like to see Marijuana legalised in Ireland


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    #253
    corner of hells
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    Help!!!! wrote: »
    corner of hells wrote: »
    No .

    It depends on what addiction the person has & how strong dependency they have on it, family issues with addiction

    So lets say heroin
    Withdrawal can last up to several months, The person is better going cold turkey, methadone is usually used but it is actually worse for the person. They would be better off smoking cannabis
    Along with abstaining from using the person would usually go see a psychiatrist or similar to work over any underlying problems

    I was addicted for many years, it did not put me on the streets but I do have depression now, which is why I'd like to see Marijuana legalised in Ireland

    Addicted to heroin ?


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    #254
    MysticMonk
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    quintana76 wrote: »
    Absolutely true. Islam still seems to have held on to it's cultish antecedents far more than others. Despite appearances to the contrary there still seems to be a deep insecurity as manifested for example in the death sentence for leaving the religion.


    Islam exists for one reason only..and that is to further spread islam til it becomes the dominant religion on earth..it's the final act in the faith..either convert the "unbelievers",kill them or charge them a heavy tax (jizya).

    All based on the hate-filled ramblings of an illiterate peadophile,anti-semite and murderer.


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    #255
    Help!!!!
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    corner of hells wrote: »
    Addicted to heroin ?

    No drugs in general, cocaine,ecstasy, speed, acid,ketamine . Tried heroin & crack but only once.
    An addict will always be an addict & doctors/pyschologists will never understand truly what its like unless they have done drugs themselves
    But thats another story:)


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    #256
    MysticMonk
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    Odhinn wrote: »
    came from irish catholicism, which is one of its few positives.


    That and the fact there is no penalty for apostacy....nor does it allow grown men to have sex with 9 year old children as the koran does...nor does it state that people who arent catholics are subhumans to be enslaved...nor does it regard women as being mere chattels of the men...nor does it kill homosexuals.

    You have of course the right to leave if it doesnt suit you..you won't be beheaded.


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    #257
    Help!!!!
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    MysticMonk wrote: »
    That and the fact there is no penalty for apostacy....nor does is allow grown men to have sex with 9 year old children as the koran does...nor does it state that people who arent catholics are subhumans to be enslaved...nor does it regard women as being mere chattels of the men.

    But Islam gave women the vote before any other religion :rolleyes:


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    #258
    end of the road
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    MysticMonk wrote: »
    Islam exists for one reason only..and that is to further spread islam til it becomes the dominant religion on earth..it's the final act in the faith..either convert the "unbelievers",kill them or charge them a heavy tax (jizya).


    All based on the hate-filled ramblings of an illiterate peadophile,anti-semite and murderer.



    ...........
    so no different to all the other religions then. well, apart from the last sentence maybe.
    MysticMonk wrote: »
    That and the fact there is no penalty for apostacy....nor does it allow grown men to have sex with 9 year old children as the koran does...nor does it state that people who arent catholics are subhumans to be enslaved...nor does it regard women as being mere chattels of the men...nor does it kill homosexuals.

    You have of course the right to leave if it doesnt suit you..you won't be beheaded.

    which verse in the koran allows grown men to have sex with 9 year old children?

    can you quote it for me?

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #259
    corner of hells
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    Help!!!! wrote: »
    corner of hells wrote: »
    Addicted to heroin ?

    No drugs in general, cocaine,ecstasy, speed, acid,ketamine . Tried heroin & crack but only once.
    An addict will always be an addict & doctors/pyschologists will never understand truly what its like unless they have done drugs themselves
    But thats another story:)

    So no practical knowledge whatsoever about heroin addiction and treatment other than what you read in the last half hour and then run it alongside your own recreational drug use to give it a comparison.


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    #260
    Help!!!!
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    end of the road wrote: »
    ...........
    so no different to all the other religions then. well, apart from the last sentence maybe.



    which verse in the koran allows grown men to have sex with 9 year old children?

    can you quote it for me?

    Here ya go:D

    https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Pedophilia_in_the_Qur%27an#Analysis_of_Verse_in_Arabic


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    #261
    Help!!!!
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    corner of hells wrote: »
    So no practical knowledge whatsoever about heroin addiction and treatment other than what you read in the last half hour and then run it alongside your own recreational drug use to give it a comparison.

    Not everyone on the streets are addicted to heroin & to make out that they are is idiotic.
    I dont care if you believe anything that I say the same way as I dont have to believe anything you are trying to say.
    I have had friends that were heroin users. Sorry I didn't like it or get addicted to it so we could talk about how great you are helping people.
    Anyway this is not about drugs or addiction its about Clonskeagh Mosque


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    #262
    Odhinn
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    Help!!!! wrote: »
    Here ya go:D

    https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Pedophilia_in_the_Qur%27an#Analysis_of_Verse_in_Arabic

    Day 2 -Another day, another hate site.


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    #263
    corner of hells
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    Help!!!! wrote: »
    end of the road wrote: »
    ...........
    so no different to all the other religions then. well, apart from the last sentence maybe.



    which verse in the koran allows grown men to have sex with 9 year old children?

    can you quote it for me?

    Here ya go:D

    https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Pedophilia_in_the_Qur%27an#Analysis_of_Verse_in_Arabic

    The threads about Clonskeagh not the Koran.


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    #264
    Help!!!!
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    corner of hells wrote: »
    The threads about Clonskeagh not the Koran.

    Touche


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    #265
    corner of hells
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    Help!!!! wrote: »
    corner of hells wrote: »
    So no practical knowledge whatsoever about heroin addiction and treatment other than what you read in the last half hour and then run it alongside your own recreational drug use to give it a comparison.

    Not everyone on the streets are addicted to heroin & to make out that they are is idiotic.
    I dont care if you believe anything that I say the same way as I dont have to believe anything you are trying to say.
    I have had friends that were heroin users. Sorry I didn't like it or get addicted to it so we could talk about how great you are helping people.
    Anyway this is not about drugs or addiction its about Clonskeagh Mosque

    Not only do I not believe a word out of your mouth , I believe you haven't a clue what your talking about.


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    #266
    MysticMonk
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    end of the road wrote: »
    ...........
    so no different to all the other religions then. well, apart from the last sentence maybe.



    which verse in the koran allows grown men to have sex with 9 year old children?

    can you quote it for me?

    Sahih Muslim (8:3309) - Muhammad consummated his marriage to Aisha when she was only nine. (See also Sahih Bukhari 58:234 and many other places). No where in the reliable Hadith or Sira is there any other age given. Other references are Sahih Bukhari 3896, 5158 and 3311.


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    #267
    Odhinn
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    MysticMonk wrote: »
    Sahih Muslim (8:3309) - Muhammad consummated his marriage to Aisha when she was only nine. (See also Sahih Bukhari 58:234 and many other places). No where in the reliable Hadith or Sira is there any other age given. Other references are Sahih Bukhari 3896, 5158 and 3311.

    I see your choice of sources hasn't improved any.


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    #268
    Help!!!!
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    corner of hells wrote: »
    Not only do I not believe a word out of your mouth , I believe you haven't a clue what your talking about.

    I could not care. For someone that supposedly works with religion, homeless, addicts you seen very tolerant:rolleyes:


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    #269
    end of the road
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    Help!!!! wrote: »
    Here ya go

    https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Pedophilia_in_the_Qur%27an#Analysis_of_Verse_in_Arabic

    ..........
    another bogey website. reading through a small subsection of it (before i decided i had enough) i saw nothing that condones, or allows for grown men to have sex with children.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #270
    Help!!!!
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    Odhinn wrote: »
    Day 2 -Another day, another hate site.

    Another line of wisdom;)


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    #271
    MysticMonk
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 903 ✭✭✭MysticMonk


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Day 2 -Another day, another hate site.


    This reminds me of you and your like.


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