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Varadkar told to "shut his gob" by the UK Sun

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    #332
    Avatar MIA
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    Ewan Hoosarmi wrote: »
    Yaeh, but I'm a realist. NI just isn't, is it?

    In Great Britain, No. And it never was. But, the term British doesn't necessarily mean just Great Britain. They don't call themselves "Great British" do they, at least not outside the likes of the Mason hall when they've one pant leg wound up to their knee. :D


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    #333
    J Mysterio
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    Ewan Hoosarmi wrote: »
    And is that not saying to you that Northern Ireland isn't included in Great Britain?

    Is it somehow lesser than England, Wales or Scotland?

    Britain is the landmass to the East of Ireland. With Northern Ireland, it's the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

    Numpty!


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    #334
    Junkyard Tom
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    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Regarding strategic interest, you could easily make that argument for Scotland or Wales, what strategic interest do the English have towards Scotland or Wales.

    It's self evident. They're in Britain and, unlike the liability the northeast of Ireland is, are strategically valuable. They give all island integrity to the British state, they have nuclear power stations, military/naval bases, the Scots have North Sea oil and so on.

    Remember when the Scottish referendum was running close to 50/50? The British went into full on 'project fear' mode, the leaders of the three largest political parties were dispatched on the same day to different locations in Scotland to plead the case of 'better together'.

    I'd love to know who coordinated that. You think the British would do the same for the six counties? They've already said that it's a matter for the Irish alone. I'd say there'll be champagne corks popping all over London/England when there's a pro-UI vote.

    They're just not that much into you.


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    #335
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    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    They're just not that much into you.

    One thing that would kill the British though is that after many centuries they'd need to change their national (St. Patrick) and Royal (Harp) flags. That would kill them.

    So, I'm thinking we can leave them Rathlin island. Problem solved.


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    #336
    Junkyard Tom
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    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    they'd need to change their national (St. Patrick) and Royal (Harp) flags.

    I don't think they'd change them.


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    #337
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    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    I don't think they'd change them.

    It'd become a running joke if they didn't. But, maybe...


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    #338
    FrancieBrady
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    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    It's self evident. They're in Britain and, unlike the liability the northeast of Ireland is, are strategically valuable. They give all island integrity to the British state, they have nuclear power stations, military/naval bases, the Scots have North Sea oil and so on.

    Remember when the Scottish referendum was running close to 50/50? The British went into full on 'project fear' mode, the leaders of the three largest political parties were dispatched on the same day to different locations in Scotland to plead the case of 'better together'.

    I'd love to know who coordinated that. You think the British would do the same for the six counties? They've already said that it's a matter for the Irish alone. I'd say there'll be champagne corks popping all over London/England when there's a pro-UI vote.

    They're just not that much into you.

    It is the lack of love that dare not speak it's name in DUP circles like that other love. :)


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    #339
    jimmycrackcorm
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    We really need to heed the words in "The Sun", a paper with a quality record...
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    Ewan Hoosarmi
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    J Mysterio wrote: »
    Britain is the landmass to the East of Ireland. With Northern Ireland, it's the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

    Numpty!
    Well, of course that would be the loyalist view. From an Irish view, Ireland is the land mass to the west of Britain. The north east of the land mass is occupied by a foreign power. An, as yet, unresolved legacy issue.

    I'll skip the name calling, if you don't mind. It's beneath me.


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    #341
    Snickers Man
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    A Little Pony wrote: »
    I support Brexit, the ones against it complain about it but won't say what they want to happen.

    ROFLMAO and ROFLMAO again!!!

    Yeah, it's the Remainers who can't agree on what Brexit means, on what they all want from it, on what future relations with Europe/Ireland/the rest of the World should look like, who throw their toys out of the pram and scream "Enemies of the people" and "Mutineers" when anybody questions one or other aspect of policy.

    Brexiteers have broken the world. To hell with them. All of them.


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    I'm pretty impressed with Ireland's political plays in the last week or two. Good to see us turn the screws a bit and show the level of EU support we have.

    Unfortunately, we're damned no matter what. Veto and get a hard border and WTO, or not veto, get better that WTO trade rules, but watch the DUP refuse any chance of NI staying in the EEA, even if it was the only all-round somewhat palatable option.

    At least the veto threat might force DUP's hand.


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    A Little Pony
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    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Regarding strategic interest, you could easily make that argument for Scotland or Wales, what strategic interest do the English have towards Scotland or Wales.

    It's self evident. They're in Britain and, unlike the liability the northeast of Ireland is, are strategically valuable. They give all island integrity to the British state, they have nuclear power stations, military/naval bases, the Scots have North Sea oil and so on.

    Remember when the Scottish referendum was running close to 50/50? The British went into full on 'project fear' mode, the leaders of the three largest political parties were dispatched on the same day to different locations in Scotland to plead the case of 'better together'.

    I'd love to know who coordinated that. You think the British would do the same for the six counties? They've already said that it's a matter for the Irish alone. I'd say there'll be champagne corks popping all over London/England when there's a pro-UI vote.

    They're just not that much into you.
    They aren't strategically valuable at all to anything that England couldn't do on it's own, so that is nonsense. The Oil will be gone in 30 years which is why the SNP claim for Independence was vulnerable from the start and doomed to fail as it did. Especially when you base so much of the campaign on it.

    England could easily go back to the Kingdom of England and be fine. They don't need any of the other parts of the UK. As for the rest of the post, don't know why you bothered posting that, you must have said the same thing so many times on here about the English.


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    #344
    seamus
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    At least the veto threat might force DUP's hand.
    I feel the DUP are far more ideological about their plans than their supporters are. They will stick with the union no matter what.

    And ultimately this is what may be required to force change in the North. It was only a massive economic crash that finally woke the people of the Republic up and destroyed Fianna Fail's strangle hold on politics.

    A hard border and the economic devastation that will follow may be the only thing to wake up the DUP supporters to the reality of putting ideology above humanity.


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    J Mysterio
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    Ewan Hoosarmi wrote: »
    Well, of course that would be the loyalist view.

    It's not anybody's 'view', it's the reality.


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    #346
    A Little Pony
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    Snickers Man wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    I support Brexit, the ones against it complain about it but won't say what they want to happen.

    ROFLMAO and ROFLMAO again!!!

    Yeah, it's the Remainers who can't agree on what Brexit means, on what they all want from it, on what future relations with Europe/Ireland/the rest of the World should look like, who throw their toys out of the pram and scream "Enemies of the people" and "Mutineers" when anybody questions one or other aspect of policy.

    Brexiteers have broken the world. To hell with them. All of them.

    What will be will be, I will always believe in Brexit no matter what happens and will never regret voting for the good old cause.


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    #347
    J Mysterio
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    A Little Pony wrote: »
    They aren't strategically valuable at all to anything that England couldn't do on it's own, so that is nonsense. The Oil will be gone in 30 years which is why the SNP claim for Independence was vulnerable from the start and doomed to fail as it did. Especially when you base so much of the campaign on it.

    England could easily go back to the Kingdom of England and be fine. They don't need any of the other parts of the UK. As for the rest of the post, don't know why you bothered posting that, you must have said the same thing so many times on here about the English.

    You know what you are saying is false. Why do you do it? Like many Brexiteers, you are living in denial.


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    A Little Pony wrote: »
    I don't, I support Brexit, the ones against it complain about it but won't say what they want to happen.

    Bit of a correction needed here. You support Brexit alright, but you haven't a clue whats going to happen....


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    #349
    A Little Pony
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    J Mysterio wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    They aren't strategically valuable at all to anything that England couldn't do on it's own, so that is nonsense. The Oil will be gone in 30 years which is why the SNP claim for Independence was vulnerable from the start and doomed to fail as it did. Especially when you base so much of the campaign on it.

    England could easily go back to the Kingdom of England and be fine. They don't need any of the other parts of the UK. As for the rest of the post, don't know why you bothered posting that, you must have said the same thing so many times on here about the English.

    You know what you are saying is false. Why do you do it? Like many Brexiteers, you are living in denial.
    What I said is factual truth, NI, Scotland and Wales are NOT strategically vital to the prosperity of England and England could easily go it alone as one nation. It's simply a nonsense to think England needs Scotland, it really doesn't. 
    Deleted User wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    I don't, I support Brexit, the ones against it complain about it but won't say what they want to happen.

    Bit of a correction needed here. You support Brexit alright, but you haven't a clue whats going to happen....
     Do you think I am a "psychic" or something?


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    A Little Pony wrote: »
    What will be will be, I will always believe in Brexit no matter what happens and will never regret voting for the good old cause.

    Give it time. We're not even a year into the leaving process and there's been a very noticeably change from "This will be better." to "This will be worth it." Let's see how we're doing a year from now.


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    #351
    cgcsb
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    The UK voted for Brexit without an inkling as to how they planned on managing a 500km long land border. This is their problem. Leo is 100% right. He is and should be using every tool at Ireland's disposal to prevent any harm to our economy as the result of British brainfarting. Throw the kitchen sink at them if need be.

    That the Sun is the UKs number one paper speaks volumes in it's self, they should be looking at improving access to education. I'm just amazed the Sun didn't go down the Darkie, Leprechaun, Queer route that's normally more their bag.


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    A Little Pony wrote: »
    What I said is factual truth, NI, Scotland and Wales are NOT strategically vital to the prosperity of England and England could easily go it alone as one nation. It's simply a nonsense to think England needs Scotland, it really doesn't.


    Do you think I am a "psychic" or something?

    I don't know. Are you? Maybe Mystic Meg will end up being incorporated into mainstream Brexit thinking.... Any questioning of Brexiteers always leads to the response that "things will be better". Asked how, the next response is "because they will be", or something along those lines. You couldn't make it up........


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    Odhinn
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I don't know. Are you? Maybe Mystic Meg will end up being incorporated into mainstream Brexit thinking.... Any questioning of Brexiteers always leads to the response that "things will be better". Asked how, the next response is "because they will be", or something along those lines. You couldn't make it up........

    Tis the underpants gnomes writ large.

    Nobody has a clue what to do, because the majority of those in power who backed it never thought it would pass. Nobody wants to be seen to row back on it for political reasons, despite the majority of elected representatives not believing in it. Other than going for a deal similar to Norways, I've no arm-chair general solution meself.


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    Snickers Man
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    A Little Pony wrote: »
    What I said is factual truth, NI, Scotland and Wales are NOT strategically vital to the prosperity of England and England could easily go it alone as one nation. It's simply a nonsense to think England needs Scotland, it really doesn't. 

    For what it's worth, I don't think the Scots are going to be allowed leave Brexity Britain, even if they vote for it. Scotland is strategically VITAL to Britain/England for reasons that have nothing to do with "business" or the economy. There ARE economic reasons too why Scotland won't be allowed leave. A commodity called North Sea Oil being the main one.

    Similarly, Ireland is once again on Britain's strategic radar in a way it wasn't before Brexit. By opting out of Europe, Britain has created a strategic contingency against which it has fought for 500 years: namely Ireland under the control of a major foreign rival. She will jump through any number of hoops to prevent that happening. Starting with trying to persuade us that we would be far better off back in the Commonwealth and out of Europe. We're going to need some convincing!!

    Of course you have to wonder how badly Europe wants to prop up a militarily impotent sparsely populated tax haven way off its coast. Maybe they couldn't care less whether we fall back into Britain's embrace. Or maybe they think that having Brexit Britain surrounded is desirable.

    I'm not sure one way or another. But I would be worried by the conspicuous lack of bones that are being thrown our way by the Brussels Bureaucracy. Banking regulator? No. Medicines agency? No. Maybe they are just not so certain about our long term stability in Europe.

    Interesting times.


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    Junkyard Tom
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    A Little Pony wrote: »
    They aren't strategically valuable at all to anything that England couldn't do on it's own, so that is nonsense.

    You have a very poor grasp on geopolitics or you're pretending you do. Let's leave it at that.


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    A Little Pony
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    For what it's worth, I don't think the Scots are going to be allowed leave Brexity Britain, even if they vote for it. Scotland is strategically VITAL to Britain/England for reasons that have nothing to do with "business" or the economy. There ARE economic reasons too why Scotland won't be allowed leave. A commodity called North Sea Oil being the main one. 



    Which will be as good as gone in 30 years, it's not going to last that long relatively speaking. England doesn't have a strategic interest in Scotland besides wanting to keep the United Kingdom together, not for military purposes or economic purposes like some think. Tom made a claim which he can't back up which is  why England sees Scotland as strategically important.


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    snowflaker
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    UK cities have been blocked from being a European Capital of Culture in 2023 and for some reason the Brexiteers are upset...


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    seamus
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    snowflaker wrote: »
    UK cities have been blocked from being a European Capital of Culture in 2023 and for some reason the Brexiteers are upset...
    "We're being punished!"

    The little Englanders just don't get it. When you leave a club you lose access to all of the benefits of that club.

    It's like quitting a job and then wailing that they're punishing you by cancelling your employee discount.


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    tomwaterford
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    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Which will be as good as gone in 30 years, it's not going to last that long relatively speaking. England doesn't have a strategic interest in Scotland besides wanting to keep the United Kingdom together, not for military purposes or economic purposes like some think. Tom made a claim which he can't back up which is  why England sees Scotland as strategically important.

    I suspect your correct....there is no rational reasoning for the UK to remain together


    The only proper economic arguement was access to the EU market (tbh its what swomg the scottish independent ref) England went along and pulled them out of it anyway



    Literally outside of London and maybe Manchester. ...the UK as a hole is inevitably going to get poorer.....not since China closed its borders circa 1000 years ago has a country anywhere done such a regressive step...


    Facinating to watch from outside looking in tbh


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    #360
    Odhinn
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    seamus wrote: »
    "We're being punished!"

    The little Englanders just don't get it. When you leave a club you lose access to all of the benefits of that club.

    It's like quitting a job and then wailing that they're punishing you by cancelling your employee discount.

    'Hello, I'd just like to cancel my sky subscription. I want to keep all the sports channels and premier movie channels though. No, I want to CANCEL.....'


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    A Little Pony
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    tomwaterford wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Which will be as good as gone in 30 years, it's not going to last that long relatively speaking. England doesn't have a strategic interest in Scotland besides wanting to keep the United Kingdom together, not for military purposes or economic purposes like some think. Tom made a claim which he can't back up which is  why England sees Scotland as strategically important.

    I suspect your correct....there is no rational reasoning for the UK to remain together


    The only proper economic arguement was access to the EU market (tbh its what swomg the scottish independent ref) England went along and pulled them out of it anyway



    Literally outside of London and maybe Manchester. ...the UK as a hole is inevitably going to get poorer.....not since China closed its borders circa 1000 years ago has a country anywhere done such a regressive step...


    Facinating to watch from outside looking in tbh

    Tom I'm not sure if you are serious with this? Did you not read about the 1917 October revolution in Russia? The rise of National Socialism? Brexit isn't near any of those two things by a million miles, what a load of rubbish.


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