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ASISEEIT wrote:In the absense of a movement towards a strike lets see if the process delivers. A strike motion might emerge at convention or is that allowed? Cant recall
Zero chance that this process will deliver anything worth something to us teachers. The release is quite clear that the government has the mindset of, can't pay won't pay.0 -
I think its just the usual sabre rattling before Easter union conventions. I wouldn't worry too much about the substance of it (as there is none).
That was directed at all public sector.
They're gradually realising the issues in education.
Richard says the solution is to make more places available on the courses which he's instigating.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/hundreds-of-teacher-training-places-to-tackle-crisis-1.3425815?mode=amp
And that's all...
University sources say...
"....there is major competition for science and language graduates and the cost of a two-year professional master’s of education – between €10,000 and €15,000 – is turning many students off.
Mr Bruton, however, said teaching remained a “fantastic” profession for young people considering their options with a “starting salary for a teacher straight out of college of nearly €36,000, increasing to €37,600 from October 2020”.
Starting Salary?
Straight out of College?
And the spin keeps a coming.0 -
Talk to me in JuneOh come off it km with the negativity! I get that you're pyssed off and jaded like all of us. But your ZERO chance?? How can you dismiss the spirit of your collegues like that? Beat a docile dog long enough and he'll eventually BITE. Viciously. We have to believe that we can encourage teachers to finally rise up. Otherwise it really is game over in this job.
And hey I needn't give a shyt cos I'm out in 5 years! Are all you younger folk just going to suffer on til ye collapse exhausted at around 60,if yer not dead by then!
Like I said I'm in a real mean mood today. Already in 2018,a friend of mine, a teacher aged 52 has died of cancer. Another, the same age, had just been diagnosed with a very serious illness. Coincidence? Or something to do with an extremely stressful, undervalued job?
There will have been no strike
We all know it
There is ZERO appetite for it
The vast majority of LPTs in our large school broke the picket and/or left the ASTI during the last strike . The last strike which was for them .
So they have left and the remainder will strike again for them ?
Not going to happen and we all know it.
The lack of ANY type of action from the union for the past few months is telling . But the lack of anger about lack of action is more telling.
It's Paddy's Day and it's the same auld heads who are posting again .
Vast majority don't care and want it all over
That's not negativity.
That's reality0 -
Motion are motions. Strikes can only be called by ballot of the membership. That is the law of the land.0
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keoclassic wrote: »If teaching is causing you that much stress, you really need to think about early retirement. If your buddies think that teaching has brought on serious illness then they also need to think about early retirement, with 5 years left, you should be thinking about the wind down and stop letting all this wind you up.leave the younger folks to straighten out the mess that has been allowed to happen.....I'm sure they will get around to it at some stage......
This post is a typical example of the sheer ignorance that is out there about how difficult teaching has become! And most likely another non teacher sticking their oar in about matters of which they are totally clueless.
In fact this post is both funny and frightening given that droves of 50 something teachers have already run for their lives this past decade. And at the other end droves of 20 something teachers are running off overseas and into careers where they will feel valued and professionally satisfied. Soon there may not be enough young left to sort it out for themselves!
Early retirement? To do what exactly? And is that the general attitude? That people who have dedicated their entire lives to education should be retired off when they complain about the breackneck speed not so merrygoround the job has become!! Wow!
And as for my "buddies" why not re read my post again and perhaps show some respect! One of said "buddies" is now dead so can hardly think!! And the other"buddy" is so ill that thinking is out of the question. Nothing to do with the job they were in?? Have a read of this: It's about England, but Ireland is only one step behind:
https://www.tes.com/news/school-news/breaking-news/teaching-one-most-stressful-jobs-britain0 -
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Talk to me in June
There will have been no strike
We all know it
There is ZERO appetite for it
The vast majority of LPTs in our large school broke the picket and/or left the ASTI during the last strike . The last strike which was for them .
So they have left and the remainder will strike again for them ?
Not going to happen and we all know it.
The lack of ANY type of action from the union for the past few months is telling . But the lack of anger about lack of action is more telling.
It's Paddy's Day and it's the same auld heads who are posting again .
Vast majority don't care and want it all over
That's not negativity.
That's reality
It is negativity km! And while I agree with a lot of what you say, it still is negativity and posting like that will only foster more negativity. It's the TINA syndrome that has always paralysed us paddies. WB Yeats once wrote about it but had to eat his words when the terrible beauty was born.
So you can never say never and personally, I'd rather put my energies into trying to get people to take action and so I will.
You suit yourself. But like I say, many of ye still have long years left in a profession that's becoming a wasteland.
And as for the unions doing nothing, you're right to an extent. TUI and INTO's record of recent years haven't inspired confidence. ASTI have tried but keep getting beaten back by the strong right wing cohort at its core. But remember ASTI CEC did vote to give this talking process a chance. Hence the "silence". But many would now feel that time is up,therefore I'd expect the militant groups within each union to really push for action at their conventions.
So at the moment there is a chance. Small,I'll concede,but a good bit better than your zero.
Come back again in May with your negativity if we've got nowhere and I promise I won't ate ya.:pac:0 -
Blood will rise at the convention, none shall be spilt. but you-know-who will get one hand on the tiller and next year will see us bending over backwards as we prepare to accept the findings of the new LC pilot schemes. Into have crawled back into their safe space and the tui are wallowing in all the extra subs from asti defectors. Still, on the bright side, 40 teaching days til summer!!!!0
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keoclassic wrote: »By the way, if you think that the Laos framework is putting too much work on teachers then why don't you retire and let those that want to teach do their jobs, I know all about the English system and I also think that the des have taken some good ideas from it.......you don't think so, maybe you don't like thinks like reflection, collegial teaching, learner experiences, teachers pedagogical analysis.......you don't agree with a professional approach?
Seriously what war did we lose where 'reflection' has suddenly become part of our daily lives. The only reflection i want to see is is my own from the bottom of an empty pint glass at Friday drinks.0 -
keoclassic wrote: »You this cross in school? I most certainly was not disrespectful to anyone in your post, get a life. I taught for 10 years in this country and teachers like you used to give me a pain in the h@le in the staffroom. I'm glad I don't have to listen to this tripe any longer. Saying I was disrespectful was a real cheapsot by the way.....you clown.
I've reported this post and will now add yet another "clown" to my block list.0 -
judeboy101 wrote: »Seriously what war did we lose where 'reflection' has suddenly become part of our daily lives. The only reflection i want to see is is my own from the bottom of an empty pint glass at Friday drinks.
Hey judeboy we're not allowed downtime on a Friday night, shame on you there!! We're supposed to slog til we're ready for the slaughter house! :rolleyes:0 -
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keoclassic wrote: »By the way, if you think that the Laos framework is putting too much work on teachers then why don't you retire and let those that want to teach do their jobs, I know all about the English system and I also think that the des have taken some good ideas from it.......you don't think so, maybe you don't like thinks like reflection, collegial teaching, learner experiences, teachers pedagogical analysis.......you don't agree with a professional approach?
Saying yes to every hare brained scheme in the name of professionalism is what has the working conditions as bad as they are and continually deteriorating imo
and if the new JC (in science anyway) is a professional approach Ill be monkeys uncle - just read the "specification" and then go "unpack" it if you are unsure what I'm saying has any truth to it. Its yellow packing and the thin end of the wedge to worker exploitation and while the teaching profession will suffer for it theres no doubt in my mind the standard of education the students get will decline also................but if the state wants to create a completely dysfunctional education system to go alongside the health system by screwing the frontline workers and creating a load of bull**** middle management roles, red tape, administration, ass covering (some of which is sadly necessary) box ticking etc etc...then its doing a stellar job.
If more teachers had a bit of fight in them like acequion then maybe the race to the bottom would be less further advanced. Its not that some of the things you mentioned are not a good idea...its more that you have to do too much of them with not enough support in an environment where you have all the responsibilities and your students increasingly have all the rights.....its unbalanced, kids can sit in a classroom, do nothing or their level best to disrupt and they are an increasingly larger cohort and unless they physically assault someone, sweet **** all can be done to them and sometimes not even then........contact hours very high, increases in supervision and substitution hours and planning/corke park hours meaning more and more prep pushed into your "free" time...the very time you need for some headspace....not to mention the pressure to support and be part of very time consuming extra curriculars + extra classes, breakfast clubs etc etc.......not to mention mention high pupil teacher ratios etc etc
Its on its way to average career length of 5 years just like the UK if it continues.....who in their right mind with a decent 3rd level qualification (many to masters level even before the new 2 year PME) and another option probably with much better long term prospects for the same or less stress would would opt for it the way it is going......the answer is, probably in the future there will be more people that just scrape into it and a small unlucky percentage for whom it is a vocation get stuck in ever worsening conditions.
BTW I'm finding it very hard to believe you are a teacher but perhaps I'm wrong.0 -
Moreover, back to the point of strike, I must say that I am totally shocked by the lack of action by all teacher unions this year so far.
It actually makes me so angry that inferior pay and pensions are in place for newly appointed teachers who are really struggling to pay off debts and who barely have a few bob left over for a takeaway at the weekend. It is actually outrageous to say that NQTs are starting off their careers on such a negative and bleak foot.
All this talk from people about " why did you become a teacher if the pay is so bad" is shocking.
People are so negative towards teachers and are quick to shoot them down for the smallest thing. The fact of the matter is that there will be no teachers left in this country if this shamble continues. Talent is fleeing month after month and positions are being left unfilled across a wide range of subjects , and rightly so, hence Minster Bruton's career break sway a few weeks ago.
As our previous Taoiseach used to say nearly 80% of the time on RTE news, "it's an abomination".. To the previous Taoiseach and his cronies, you're right, it is an abomination and it's only going to get worse. Fix it before you have no education system. An outrageous government, that is still in power, and has no morals should be shown the door.0 -
keoclassic wrote: »You are also confused as to what a choice is.....nobody holds a gun to your head for extracurricular......proverbial or otherwise. From what I've seen in schools teachers are not very nice to each other, there must be 4 different pensions currently in operation and I would not hazard a guess as to how many different types of contracts are in schools........Did all that happen since 2011? Not from what I can remember!
No but this is the 21st century and things are getting worse and worse. Not very appealing. You are right regarding pension changes occurring before 2011, but this new career average pension is a scam.
I will end up paying more into this so called "pension" than I'll ever receive. Moreover, I'm still paying the same pension and pension levy rates as pre-2013 and Pre 2004 colleagues. How is that fair to have pension schemes that are totally different yet I pay in the same amount of money. More inequality.
This inequality thing is really making my blood boil, it's not just unequal pay but an unequal pension scheme on top of heavier workloads that weren't witnessed 5 years ago.
Unpaid Croke Park hours crap as well, a stupid meeting about discussing a policy we all know about and one we live and breathe everyday in our classrooms.
When does No mean No and when is it enough for this crowd. A strike needs to happen and I would highly welcome it.
At least with Ed Byrne as last year's president, we tried to stand our ground and we did no Croke Park hours. Even though he was militant, I commend him for his leadership as I thought it was necessary and still do. Too much Diddy daddling happening now with the unions. Such a kick in the stomach for a lot of us.0 -
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keoclassic wrote: »Care to clarify there spurious. You afraid of an alternative view?
That's enough.
Take a two week break to read the charter.
Specifically (now) the bits about questioning mod decisions on thread.0 -
No but this is the 21st century and things are getting worse and worse. Not very appealing. You are right regarding pension changes occurring before 2011, but this new career average pension is a scam.
I will end up paying more into this so called "pension" than I'll ever receive. Moreover, I'm still paying the same pension and pension levy rates as pre-2013 and Pre 2004 colleagues. How is that fair to have pension schemes that are totally different. More inequality.
This inequality thing is really making my blood boil, it's not just unequal pay but an unequal pension scheme on top of heavier workloads that weren't witnessed 5 years ago.
Unpaid Croke Park hours crap as well, a stupid meeting about discussing a policy we all know about and one we live and breathe everyday in our classrooms.
When does No mean No and when is it enough for this crowd. A strike needs to happen and I would highly welcome it.
At least with Ed Byrne as last year's president, we tried to stand our ground and we did no Croke Park hours. Even though he was militant, I commend him for his leadership as I thought it was necessary and still do. Too much Diddy daddling happening now with the unions. Such a kick in the stomach for a lot of us.
One hundred percent agree Sir123! And I also feel that we had a great president in Ed Byrne. The present incumbent, though I voted for him,is a disappointment by comparison.
I actually think that you young teachers deserve medals for your commitment. I work in a large school where we have quite a few young teachers and my heart bleeds for the styte they have to tolerate and then to add gross insult to injury,can't even afford,as you say, a takeaway. It is clear as day that the writing is on the wall for Irish education and parents in our baby boom economy would be wise to take note. But they won't.They can't be arsed. But still we'll all have a pain in our faces repeating the same thing at junior cycle P/T meetings when parents are having a hissy fit and though 8 in the evening and shattered,we'll have to tell them that ya actually we made a big fuss about this years ago,where were you!!
Yet even now, when we open our mouths to reveal just how bad it is, we have to deal with ignoramuses here and elsewhere thinking they're cool by telling us to put up and shut up.Or else take early retirement,get another job. As if the whole thing really were that simple!
Apart at all from the huge threat this poses to the welfare of education, given that we live in a country with a high rate of suicide,depression and substance abuse,the blinkered bias against teachers and the blatant contempt for worker welfare makes my blood boil.0 -
In relation to the point on reflection etc. Reflection is a key part of what any serious professional would do, in fact I think most of us partake without perhaps filling out a pile of forms to do so. All of this comes down to time. The fact is that we have more contact time with students than teachers in other countries. In fact we come close to top of the table in OECD countries when it comes to contact time. Now if the department want serious form filling reflection, essentially for the sake of it, then we need to have a significant reduction in contact time. That will not happen because it would necessarily mean the employment of more teachers and demographically we are going to have a lot of teachers in our classroom over the next two decades or so.
In relation to the talks, I have not being paying attention but it seems according to yesterday's paper that FF are kicking up now, they say they will not support the budget in October without something being done for public sector pay equality. Politically it is interesting because in a way they are probably calculating about the next election. Also interesting to see a government source saying that they know essentially they have to do it but it is a matter of the long finger. I know this goes against the report issued by the DPER but I wouldn't be surprised if that was window dressing so that a longish timetable could be established. It appears that the issue has moved form education alone to the wider public sector so maybe there will be a resolution. Those articles were in The Irish Times 17\3 but I do not know how to link.0 -
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One hundred percent agree Sir123! And I also feel that we had a great president in Ed Byrne. The present incumbent, though I voted for him,is a disappointment by comparison.
I actually think that you young teachers deserve medals for your commitment. I work in a large school where we have quite a few young teachers and my heart bleeds for the styte they have to tolerate and then to add gross insult to injury,can't even afford,as you say, a takeaway. It is clear as day that the writing is on the wall for Irish education and parents in our baby boom economy would be wise to take note. But they won't.They can't be arsed. But still we'll all have a pain in our faces repeating the same thing at junior cycle P/T meetings when parents are having a hissy fit and though 8 in the evening and shattered,we'll have to tell them that ya actually we made a big fuss about this years ago,where were you!!
Yet even now, when we open our mouths to reveal just how bad it is, we have to deal with ignoramuses here and elsewhere thinking they're cool by telling us to put up and shut up.Or else take early retirement,get another job. As if the whole thing really were that simple!
Apart at all from the huge threat this poses to the welfare of education, given that we live in a country with a high rate of suicide,depression and substance abuse,the blinkered bias against teachers and the blatant contempt for worker welfare makes my blood boil.
Can you tell me one thing Ed byrne achieved? Yes he was let down by members but he also agreed to talks after two days of strike. I heard no evidence that he spoke against those on SC who wondered about an open ended strike? Fightback members He didnt walk away from talks when he clearly saw they were delivering nothing. At least he had the balls to apologize for his actions later on but he deserves no praise. He took his pay. could have resigned anytime but didnt0 -
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SligoBrewer wrote: »It's time to strike.
Agree but thats the existential Question in ASTI. I asked SC to survey LPT teachers on whether or not they wanted a srike because I have doubts that a majority do. However if called upon to strike I will do so and for weeks. Please dont cry over your mortgage. You wont even get a letter from the bank until yiu are three months in arrears. Just a letter. Grow a pair0 -
In relation to the point on reflection etc. Reflection is a key part of what any serious professional would do, in fact I think most of us partake without perhaps filling out a pile of forms to do so. All of this comes down to time. The fact is that we have more contact time with students than teachers in other countries. In fact we come close to top of the table in OECD countries when it comes to contact time. Now if the department want serious form filling reflection, essentially for the sake of it, then we need to have a significant reduction in contact time. That will not happen because it would necessarily mean the employment of more teachers and demographically we are going to have a lot of teachers in our classroom over the next two decades or so.
In relation to the talks, I have not being paying attention but it seems according to yesterday's paper that FF are kicking up now, they say they will not support the budget in October without something being done for public sector pay equality. Politically it is interesting because in a way they are probably calculating about the next election. Also interesting to see a government source saying that they know essentially they have to do it but it is a matter of the long finger. I know this goes against the report issued by the DPER but I wouldn't be surprised if that was window dressing so that a longish timetable could be established. It appears that the issue has moved form education alone to the wider public sector so maybe there will be a resolution. Those articles were in The Irish Times 17\3 but I do not know how to link.
Because economy got better less people want to get into teaching on such poor money. Thus Gov will have to do something and most public servants vote FF /FG/LAB. Absolutely no thanks to you typical yellow bellied union member -and I include a lot of LPTs in that designation.
presuming you meant 'your' typical In the last paragraph there... and not referring to the last poster .
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Can you tell me one thing Ed byrne achieved? Yes he was let down by members but he also agreed to talks after two days of strike. I heard no evidence that he spoke against those on SC who wondered about an open ended strike? Fightback members He didnt walk away from talks when he clearly saw they were delivering nothing. At least he had the balls to apologize for his actions later on but he deserves no praise. He took his pay. could have resigned anytime but didnt
If I were you I'd reserve your ire for those who deserve it. Directing it at Ed Byrne,arguably the most militant president we've had in recent years, is way wide of the mark.
Yes, going into those talks was a mistake, but please remember that was not his decision, it was the SC of the day who voted for it. There was no motion tabled at SC or at any of those CEC meetings for open ended strike, so that is a moot point. Yes, he should have walked away from those talks,that I agree was a fatal mistake,but like you say,he took responsibility and apologised. What purpose would have been served by his resignation?
He then threw himself wholeheartedly into the campaign to secure a NO to the ballot on the talks results. He came and spoke very convincingly at my branch, to name but one. And from there on in he did everything in his power to keep the campaign on the road,despite the constant attempts at derailing by a faction from within, a faction who eventually got their way.
So what did he achieve? Thanks to his leadership and some very influential people within CEC, yes the fightback people and some more, ASTI members got a whole year without having to do CP hours, proving how unnecessary they are. And proving that some people were committed to facing down the Govt despite all kinds of pressure. I think that's a fairly significant achievement but feel free to disagree. I am also convinced that if EB and all of us were not ultimately let down by a tiny percentage at that special convention, there would eventually have been a break through.
All I have seen from other presidents is an increasing reluctance to rock the boat. Ed Byrne could never be accused of that.0 -
Special convention a useful lightening rod for criticism but ignores fact that annual convention 2017 turned down strike action. We would have been balloted in late 2017 and the result would have been the same. We would be where We are now.
All special convention delegates chosen by their branches. Your branch.0 -
If I were you I'd reserve your ire for those who deserve it. Directing it at Ed Byrne,arguably the most militant president we've had in recent years, is way wide of the mark.
Yes, going into those talks was a mistake, but please remember that was not his decision, it was the SC of the day who voted for it. There was no motion tabled at SC or at any of those CEC meetings for open ended strike, so that is a moot point. Yes, he should have walked away from those talks,that I agree was a fatal mistake,but like you say,he took responsibility and apologised. What purpose would have been served by his resignation?
He then threw himself wholeheartedly into the campaign to secure a NO to the ballot on the talks results. He came and spoke very convincingly at my branch, to name but one. And from there on in he did everything in his power to keep the campaign on the road,despite the constant attempts at derailing by a faction from within, a faction who eventually got their way.
So what did he achieve? Thanks to his leadership and some very influential people within CEC, yes the fightback people and some more, ASTI members got a whole year without having to do CP hours, proving how unnecessary they are. And proving that some people were committed to facing down the Govt despite all kinds of pressure. I think that's a fairly significant achievement but feel free to disagree. I am also convinced that if EB and all of us were not ultimately let down by a tiny percentage at that special convention, there would eventually have been a break through.
All I have seen from other presidents is an increasing reluctance to rock the boat. Ed Byrne could never be accused of that.
I do agree that we shouldn't have participated in those talks. But I do agree with acequion that if we kept the industrial action up, even if it was solely withdrawing from doing Croke Park hours, that some breakthrough might have happened. Instead we gave in too soon, way too soon.
I remember the days coming up to the strike, the Minister himself on the radio stating "they only have to do one extra hour a week, that's all they have to do". He was really bothered with ASTI not doing these extremely useless hours, he didn't care about anything else.
I actually think the Minister himself used to go to bed every night with a punch bag shouting "Damn you ASTI for not doing those hours. How dare you, who do you think you are?". I would not be surprised at all. He was very very bothered about that directive.
I think Special Convention was a joke. I'm sorry, I've been very vocal about it since June 10th, it will never leave me. Instead, Buckley and all his cronies got everyone on the bandwagon to SC in order to get some 'benefits' and I really use that word lightly. Benefits, yeah right, for who exactly?
This government are not going to give in anytime soon. They don't believe in equal pay for equal work.
Intermittent and continuous strikes are the only way. The schedule needs to become disrupted. Let's go and get it passed at convention, and make sure it happens. We're living in the 21st century and teachers, who are supposed to be professionals, barely have a living wage, those that live on part-time hours and those on lower pay especially. It's a disgrace.
I think we need to look at those teachers in West Virgina USA who secured a 5% pay increase. We have to get out and strike. It is the only way.0 -
Special convention a useful lightening rod for criticism but ignores fact that annual convention 2017 turned down strike action. We would have been balloted in late 2017 and the result would have been the same. We would be where We are now.
All special convention delegates chosen by their branches. Your branch.
Very true and why did that happen? Teachers are way too soft in general, it's in our nature, we are pleasers and we want the best for our students.
The reality is, in my opinion anyway, that this was a major reason for the motion to resume strike being shot down at convention, being too close to exams etc.
But at the end of the day, teachers are supposed to be professionals and are not being treated as such by our government. I undestand that we aren't in the Celtic Tiger era anymore, but we are really being treated badly for the work that we do and for the nature of our job, particularly LPTs, established teachers are not excluded. Their jobs have become a lot more stressful and their pay has been decimated enormously.
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Lets look to the future than rake over the past. Anybody who thinks things would have been radically different bar the special convention is delusional. Members resigned in mass from the union-most were LPTs. Problem has been that ASTI stirs a fight and then backs down. So lets outline a program to prevent this. Proof in pudding for the 'only but for the special convention' brigade will be the motion to rid us of these conventions. If that cant pass you have your answer-its not a militant group -its the whole bloody union
Get rid of special conventions-propose a strike and move the fxxx on
Are there any strike motions at convention?
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Lets look to the future than rake over the past. Anybody who thinks things would have been radically different bar the special convention is delusional. Members resigned in mass from the union-most were LPTs. Problem has been that ASTI stirs a fight and then backs down. So lets outline a program to prevent this. Proof in pudding for the 'only but for the special convention' brigade will be the motion to rid us of these conventions. If that cant pass you have your answer-its not a militant group -its the whole bloody union
Get rid of special conventions-propose a strike and move the fxxx on
Are there any strike motions at convention?
If not any chance??
I agree that we should move beyond the past, but last June was extremely undemocratic, I'm sorry I'll stop now.
There is one motion if I remember correctly in Nuacht that proposes strike action with one or both teacher unions, provided the report from Dept of Public Expenditure on new teacher pay is inadequate, and it clearly is based on Friday's crap.
Remember though, it wasn't just LPTs that left, many senior members changed unions during the dispute which is illegal by the way. CIDs, which were the government's tactic to shove us further into the corner really messed with people especially when you could have a colleague next to you in TUI that wouldn't have been affected by this punitive measure. That was a sellout.
I don't agree with CIDs either to an extent.
More Permanent Whole Time positions should be made available and it should be the norm. All these part time hours that teachers have are a disgrace and it really belittles the status of the job itself, in my opinion. Oh God, I really have a lot of greviances on teachers' terms and conditions.
Additionally, always remember that TUI and INTO left us down badly, and they probably still will. They're too worried about their increments that'll only make them a fiver better off a week. I just don't see their point and their inability to stand up for their members aggrevates me. At least ASTI tried.
So anyway, what are we going to do? Is there anyone high up out there that knows what the future predicts for ASTI and other teacher unions after Easter?0 -
Special convention a useful lightening rod for criticism but ignores fact that annual convention 2017 turned down strike action. We would have been balloted in late 2017 and the result would have been the same. We would be where We are now.
All special convention delegates chosen by their branches. Your branch.
Yes my branch. And though late in the year and everyone up to eyeballs, we still went en masse to that branch meeting and got some great people elected to represent the branch.
Wasn't enough though and even though there's no concrete proof, many would swear that several were bussed in to that convention, purely for their voting intentions!0 -
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I have read the last few pages of this thread and i think the anger makes a lot of sense. At times i havent bothered with Asti because of its grand old duke of york syndrome. However the truth is withouth thr asti things would be worse. Much worse
The Asti is the only vechicle for stopping more ****.
As for those who jumped ship to other unions i know that ICTU is investigating. Has that investigation concluded ? Yes,this is ireland where we only pursue low level crime but im going to remain hopeful that we will get the right outcome
While a lot of the same posters post here many many more look at this thread. Hundreds more0
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