All quiet on the Korean peninsula, but is Spain about to erupt?

v638sg7k1a92bx · 28-10-2017 11:53pm

tomwaterford wrote: »

I know this??

Hence why I said,have a binding referendum and be done with it

There's no value to be got by forcing them to stay if they don't want to?

A minority of people don't want to stay. Why would you allow a minority of people impose their ideology on the majority?

Sierra Oscar · 28-10-2017 11:55pm

Has Puigdemont actually announced a Provisional Government - i.e. who are the Ministers?

It'll be interesting to see the arrangements around security and defence.

tomwaterford · 29-10-2017 12:01am

Malani Rancid Cook wrote: »

A minority of people don't want to stay. Why would you allow a minority of people impose their ideology on the majority?

Have a binding referendum and see??

Its not exactly a difficult concept....whoever gets most votes wins?

A Dub in Glasgo · 29-10-2017 12:03am

tomwaterford wrote: »

Have a binding referendum and see??

Its not exactly a difficult concept....whoever gets most votes wins?

This question has been avoided all week

bilston · 29-10-2017 12:35am

tomwaterford wrote: »

I do think this is a worrying comment....they shouldn't have to fight for something...if they vote for it??

Let them hold a proper and binding poll...no need for violence from anyone

Absolutely, I don't know why the Spanish govt just didn't allow the referendum in the first place, from what I understand its likely independence would have been rejected.

For what it's worth I've said plenty of times on this thread that I can't really see this ending in violence, at least not wide scale civil war style violence, apart from anything else only one side has an army.

v638sg7k1a92bx · 29-10-2017 12:48am

tomwaterford wrote: »

Have a binding referendum and see??

Its not exactly a difficult concept....whoever gets most votes wins?

Just like in Ireland, it would need to be approved by the Catalonian parliament before it would be put to the people in a referendum.

Not that difficult to understand.

29-10-2017 3:54am

It's odd that we're allowed to have two threads about Catalan, which affects us in no way, but not even one about Brexit, which is massive for Ireland.

bear1 · 29-10-2017 8:39am

Malani Rancid Cook wrote: »

Just like in Ireland, it would need to be approved by the Catalonian parliament before it would be put to the people in a referendum.

Not that difficult to understand.

You don't get it.
If the Catalans wanted to do it by the book then they should have put it first to the actual vote within parliament.
If parliament then said yes we are in favour then a legally binding referendum could have been carried out.
Those that wished to stay in Spain then could have gone to vote without police interference and more than likely puigdemont would have lost and the Spanish government would have saved both money and the embarrassment they suffered on October 1st.
This is democracy.

Christy42 · 29-10-2017 9:54am

bear1 wrote: »

You don't get it.
If the Catalans wanted to do it by the book then they should have put it first to the actual vote within parliament.
If parliament then said yes we are in favour then a legally binding referendum could have been carried out.
Those that wished to stay in Spain then could have gone to vote without police interference and more than likely puigdemont would have lost and the Spanish government would have saved both money and the embarrassment they suffered on October 1st.
This is democracy.

Parliament would not had said yes which is why they held it. (Both sides had issues, they did not really give much time to respond to it).

bear1 · 29-10-2017 10:09am

Christy42 wrote: »

Parliament would not had said yes which is why they held it. (Both sides had issues, they did not really give much time to respond to it).

Exactly.
It would be some kick in the face to Madrid if on December 21st pro independence parties won.
They'd have no choice then.

Dohnjoe · 29-10-2017 3:17pm

Hundreds of thousands have turned out in Barcelona in a pro-Spain rally

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41794087

Also

A poll published by Spanish national newspaper El Pais on Saturday suggested a small majority of Catalans (52% to 43%) were in favour of the dissolution of the regional parliament and the holding of elections.
Fifty-five per cent of Catalan respondents opposed the declaration of independence, with 41% in favour.

v638sg7k1a92bx · 29-10-2017 4:07pm

bear1 wrote: »

You don't get it.
If the Catalans wanted to do it by the book then they should have put it first to the actual vote within parliament.
If parliament then said yes we are in favour then a legally binding referendum could have been carried out.
Those that wished to stay in Spain then could have gone to vote without police interference and more than likely puigdemont would have lost and the Spanish government would have saved both money and the embarrassment they suffered on October 1st.
This is democracy.

You don't get.
They did put it to a vote in the Catalonian parliament and they couldn't get the majority of votes so decided to press ahead with the referendum and delcare the results legally binding!

This is the whole crux of the issue, they couldn't get a majority of votes in their own Parliament so they broke the rules of their own Catalonian statutes!!! They couldn't even get a majority of votes when they declared independence two days ago!

A Dub in Glasgo · 29-10-2017 4:11pm

Malani Rancid Cook wrote: »

You don't get.
They did put it to a vote in the Catalonian parliament and they couldn't get the majority of votes so decided to press ahead with the referendum and delcare the results legally binding!

This is the whole crux of the issue, they couldn't get a majority of votes in their own Parliament so they broke the rules of their own Catalonian statutes!!! They couldn't even get a majority of votes when they declared independence two days ago!

You are wrong, they did get the majority vote in parliament (you know what majority means?). They did not get the *super majority* that is written into the Catalan process from the Spanish constitution. You have a habit of throwing words around without a real understanding of what they mean

v638sg7k1a92bx · 29-10-2017 4:12pm

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

You are wrong, they did get the majority vote in parliament (you know what majority means?). They did not get the *super majority* that is written into the Catalan process from the Spanish constitution. You have a habit of throwing words around without a real understanding of what they mean

Which majority counts?

Snake Plisken · 29-10-2017 9:07pm

300,000 Catalans turned out today in Barcalona to show support and to stay part of Spain. It’s pretty clear the majority want to stay part of Spain. Fair play to them!

tonycascarino · 29-10-2017 9:09pm

Snake Plisken wrote: »

300,000 Catalans turned out today in Barcalona to show support and to stay part of Spain. It’s pretty clear the majority want to stay part of Spain. Fair play to them!

How do you know that 1000's of those people weren't fresh off a bus from Madrid and other parts of Spain?

A Dub in Glasgo · 29-10-2017 9:11pm

Snake Plisken wrote: »

300,000 Catalans turned out today in Barcalona to show support and to stay part of Spain. It’s pretty clear the majority want to stay part of Spain. Fair play to them!

How is that pretty clear? A referendum is the clearest indication but as we all know, that was not allowed as it was deemed to be not legal and the voters were battered off the streets.

A gathering on the streets today is pretty clear evidence according to some :pac:

Snake Plisken · 29-10-2017 9:13pm

tonycascarino wrote: »

How do you know that 1000's of those people weren't fresh off a bus from Madrid and other parts of Spain?

Because they weren’t!

Snake Plisken · 29-10-2017 9:15pm

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

How is that pretty clear? A referendum is the clearest indication but as we all know, that was not allowed as it was deemed to be not legal and the voters were battered off the streets.

A gathering on the streets today is pretty clear evidence according to some :pac:

it will be sorted in December with the elections and it will put an end to the idiotic separatists who are trying to destroy Catalonia!

A Dub in Glasgo · 29-10-2017 9:18pm

Snake Plisken wrote: »

it will be sorted in December with the elections and it will put an end to the idiotic separatists who are trying to destroy Catalonia!

Does that mean you do not recognise the result of the last election?

Snake Plisken · 29-10-2017 9:22pm

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Does that mean you do not recognise the result of the last election?

I do but do you really think the region will vote the same Puigdemont’s shower back in After recent events?

end of the road · 29-10-2017 9:24pm

Snake Plisken wrote: »

300,000 Catalans turned out today in Barcalona to show support and to stay part of Spain. It’s pretty clear the majority want to stay part of Spain. Fair play to them!

it's not clear the majority want to stay part of spain. it's clear however that the majority want to become an independant republic. lots of those people at the protest were probably bussed in from spain.

Snake Plisken · 29-10-2017 9:27pm

end of the road wrote: »

it's not clear the majority want to stay part of spain. it's clear however that the majority want to become an independant republic. lots of those people at the protest were probably bussed in from spain.

You do know Barcalona is in Spain! Also show me all the Buses please? That’s right you can’t!

Kermit.de.frog · 29-10-2017 9:47pm

I take it plans for the Munster secession referendum are on track? Tensions with the rest of the country are at boiling point.

Pero_Bueno · 29-10-2017 9:49pm

end of the road wrote: »

it's not clear the majority want to stay part of spain. it's clear however that the majority want to become an independant republic. lots of those people at the protest were probably bussed in from spain.

"Probably bussed in" - Rock solid there.

Majority want to become an independent republic ?
Really ? what are you basing that on - the 90% crap ?

bilston · 29-10-2017 10:59pm

end of the road wrote: »

Snake Plisken wrote: »

300,000 Catalans turned out today in Barcalona to show support and to stay part of Spain. It’s pretty clear the majority want to stay part of Spain. Fair play to them!

it's not clear the majority want to stay part of spain. it's clear however that the majority want to become an independant republic. lots of those people at the protest were probably bussed in from spain.

Ah the Donald Trump approach, make stuff up and tell it like it's a fact.

A Dub in Glasgo · 29-10-2017 11:48pm

bear1 · 29-10-2017 11:59pm

Snake Plisken wrote: »

300,000 Catalans turned out today in Barcalona to show support and to stay part of Spain. It’s pretty clear the majority want to stay part of Spain. Fair play to them!

300000 out of over 7 million citizens is a majority for you? Riiight

Snake Plisken · 30-10-2017 12:10am

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Clutching at straws there aren’t you Dubbo with your random photos!

A Dub in Glasgo · 30-10-2017 12:14am

Very random pic of the guys who were in Barcelona today supporting the union with Spain :pac:

All quiet on the Korean peninsula, but is Spain about to erupt?

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