Lunchtime Live with Ciara Kelly [Mod warning post #1]

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So most men do the housework now and leave work when a child is sick.

I'm sure most women in Ireland will be surprised at this news.

Uncharted

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So most men do the housework now and leave work when a child is sick.

I'm sure most women in Ireland will be surprised at this news.

A sweeping generalisation on a thread related to the fabulous Ciara???

But but but but...... generalisations are not accepted on this thread!

Surely a worldly wise,well rounded and informed individual such as yourself would have known that.

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Uncharted wrote:

A sweeping generalisation on a thread related to the fabulous Ciara???

You're offended by stating the obvious?

givyjoe

hotmail.com wrote: »

You're offended by stating the obvious?

You really do have a knack for being woefully wide of the mark.

nullzero

hotmail.com wrote: »

Most women still do the housework, still do most of the rearing of children, leave work to deal with a sick child.

Will I go on?

On what planet are you living on?

What a load of sh1te.
In my marriage I do almost all the housework, I'm a much better cook than my wife and make most meals and I've never once had as much as a shirt ironed for me.

You must be living in the 1950's, the rest of us here in 2018 aren't chaining women to the kitchen sink. You've really got such an antiquated view of the world.

If the kids are sick I work from home and look after them because she can't work from home in her job, I could go on and on, you're so wrong about modern relationships it's not even funny.

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nullzero wrote:

What a load of sh1te. In my marriage I do almost all the housework, I'm a much better cook than my wife and make most meals and I've never once had as much as a shirt ironed for me.

I wasn't referring to your situation. I don't know you.

nullzero

hotmail.com wrote: »

I wasn't referring to your situation. I don't know you.

Exactly, you don't know me and you don't know the other men here who are similar to me.

You don't know a lot of things but it doesn't stop you assuming does it?

Sleeper12

All due respect but you d know "most men" or "most women" or "most families".

Exactly who's families are talking about?

nullzero

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Well, are we talking the universal "men" here? I have to be absolutely clear because the us of generalisms are frowned upon (apparently) in this thread.

I can only speak for myself: I'm in my 40s. My wife can't cook, won't cook. In the 20+ years I've known her she's likely cooked 5times and all have been disastrous. I do all the cooking. I also bake. Most dish washing is done in the dishwasher. Anything that requires soaking or by hand is done by me. I empty the dishwasher. I cut the lawns. I do the weeding. I do the groceries. Anything DIY-related (within reason) I do - anything I can't do we hire a professional. I could go on, but I didn't marry her to have someone to do the housework for me. Also, this was how I was brought up. My mother raised the boys in my family to be bale to do these basic things - and they are basic.

The housework gender split in our house is likely 95% Male, 5% Female. So do I think some men do more housework than some women? Yes.

This is almost exactly like my situation, and that of a good few blokes I know.
Maybe when my son is my age it will have swung back and will be a more 50/50 split.

sightband

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I wasn't referring to your situation. I don't know you.

But you were referring to so many more situations just like his and you don’t know them either.

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"Almost 90 per cent of women in Ireland do housework compared to less than 50 per cent of men, a gap that has remained the same since 2005"

EU research published last year. Link won't load , but taken from the Irish Times.

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sightband wrote:

But you were referring to so many more situations just like his and you don’t know them either.

I didn't refer to any specific situations.

nullzero

hotmail.com wrote: »

"Almost 90 per cent of women in Ireland do housework compared to less than 50 per cent of men, a gap that has remained the same since 2005"

EU research published last year. Link won't load , but taken from the Irish Times.

That's probably factoring in older people to a large extent. My father has never ironed his own clothes for example. It's certainly not indicative of how the country is progressing.

the_pen_turner

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"Almost 90 per cent of women in Ireland do housework compared to less than 50 per cent of men, a gap that has remained the same since 2005"

EU research published last year. Link won't load , but taken from the Irish Times.

thats pure rubbish. it couldnt be true.
what are they calling housework
women do most of the cooking, cleaning, clothes washing etc but
men do allmost all of the lawn cutting, diy, lighting fires, saving turf and cutting timber, bringing in fuel for the fire, etc

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nullzero wrote:

That's probably factoring in older people to a large extent. My father has never ironed his own clothes for example. It's certainly not indicative of how the country is progressing.

So older women don't count?

It's younger couples as well. Just not as bad.

Mrsmum

The Big Picture on Rte now might answer a few of these questions on what it is like to be a woman in Ireland today.

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the_pen_turner wrote:

thats pure rubbish. it couldnt be true. what are they calling housework women do most of the cooking, cleaning, clothes washing etc but men do allmost all of the lawn cutting, diy, lighting fires, saving turf and cutting timber, bringing in fuel for the fire, etc

The latter are not daily activities, the other stuff is. Fuel for the fire...eh ok. Most people have central heating now.

nullzero

hotmail.com wrote: »

So older women don't count?

It's younger couples as well. Just not as bad.

Talk about taking something out of context.
You've got some neck making that leap.

nullzero

hotmail.com wrote: »

The latter are not daily activities, the other stuff is. Fuel for the fire...eh ok. Most people have central heating now.

So people who don't have central heating don't count then?

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nullzero wrote:

Talk about taking something out of context. You've got some neck making that leap.

Offended easily?

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nullzero wrote:

So people who don't have central heating don't count then?

Oh god just ignore the substance of what I said!

nullzero

hotmail.com wrote: »

Oh god just ignore the substance of what I said!

You really don't see the irony in what said do you?

It's fair game for you to take things out of context but when I satirise what you're doing you take offence, after you accused me of being easily offended.
Logic has taken a holiday.

the_pen_turner

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The latter are not daily activities, the other stuff is. Fuel for the fire...eh ok. Most people have central heating now.

at least half of rural ireland arnt using central heating for their main heating. and a lot also have small stoves that heat the sitting room in adition to the oil.


the others are not everyday tasks but if you add them all up there is still a huge amount of work done by those men ( mostly)

combine those outside jobs with some inside jobs like washing floors and other stuff men do like emptying bins etc and the proportion of work done is a lot closer to 50.50 than you think

nullzero

the_pen_turner wrote: »

at least half of rural ireland arnt using central heating for their main heating. and a lot also have small stoves that heat the sitting room in adition to the oil.


the others are not everyday tasks but if you add them all up there is still a huge amount of work done by those men ( mostly)

combine those outside jobs with some inside jobs like washing floors and other stuff men do like emptying bins etc and the proportion of work done is a lot closer to 50.50 than you think

That doesn't suit the narrative of lazy entitled men having their pipe and slippers handed to them followed by dinner made by the little woman who has to fulfil all the traditional roles of a wife as well as holding down a job. Sounds like a crap Beyonce song (what other type is there I hear you say).

Grolschevik

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at least half of rural ireland arnt using central heating for their main heating. and a lot also have small stoves that heat the sitting room in adition to the oil.

I refer you to p81 of this from the CSO, specifically figure 9.4. But no doubt it may be possible to quibble with the meanings of "main", "a lot" and "also" in your post, and maybe also "rural".

https://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/releasespublications/documents/population/2017/Chapter_9_Housing.pdf

This is well off topic, though.

Uncharted

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Oh god just ignore the substance of what I said!

You seem flustered..... If only you knew a doctor.....



Oh wait....... :rolleyes:

....and all that good stuff

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nullzero wrote:

It's fair game for you to take things out of context but when I satirise what you're doing you take offence, after you accused me of being easily offended. Logic has taken a holiday.

nullzero wrote:

You really don't see the irony in what said do you?

I do of course but ... actually I'm out.

the_pen_turner

Grolschevik wrote: »

I refer you to p81 of this from the CSO, specifically figure 9.4. But no doubt it may be possible to quibble with the meanings of "main", "a lot" and "also" in your post, and maybe also "rural".

https://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/releasespublications/documents/population/2017/Chapter_9_Housing.pdf

This is well off topic, though.

that doesnt match what i see around me. at least half would have turf, timber briquetts or coal as their main heating. a lot have both aswell. very few have only oil

to keep this on topic. the majority of the work involved in all that is done by the men of the family

nullzero

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I do of course but ... actually I'm out.

The correct decision.

sightband

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I do of course but ... actually I'm out.

Out of the kitchen? How dare you. Get back in there now you subservient useless cow.