Lunchtime Live with Ciara Kelly [Mod warning post #1]

meeeeh

sightband wrote: »

Out of the kitchen? How dare you. Get back in there now you subservient useless cow.

Well I guess this post is perfect example of what those bothered by C. Kelly are like.

Btw I love how two or three examples and what some think are more reliable than actual research. Because BS and Nullzero are experts on all things domestic related. The expectation to take the opinion of couple of posters as a fact instead of actual research is incredibly arrogant.

nullzero

meeeeh wrote: »

Well I guess this post is perfect example of what those bothered by C. Kelly are like.

Btw I love how two or three examples and what some think are more reliable than actual research. Because BS and Nullzero are experts on all things domestic related. The expectation to take the opinion of couple of posters as a fact instead of actual research is incredibly arrogant.

So you really believe that most men are being waited on hand and foot by women?
Talk about arrogance. We haven't even seen what size the group of respondants to the survey was(usually under five thousand, they didn't interview everyone in Ireland) or how they break down in terms of age etc...

Uncharted

There are 4 women in my house . 3 teenage daughters and my wife. I can assure you there are no servants in my house,especially of the female variety.

#meeeehtoo

ButtersSuki

meeeeh wrote: »

Well I guess this post is perfect example of what those bothered by C. Kelly are like.

Btw I love how two or three examples and what some think are more reliable than actual research. Because BS and Nullzero are experts on all things domestic related. The expectation to take the opinion of couple of posters as a fact instead of actual research is incredibly arrogant.

It's not an opinion, it's a statement of how domestic matters are done and divided within in my household. I'm not saying that applies universally - I would have assumed you understood this given your pedantry yesterday? BTW, I never said I was an expert on all "things domestic related"; I said that I do the vast majority of what would be deemed domestic chores. The quality of said work is not for me to judge.

Or are you saying I'm lying now to make a point or seek attention through some sort of virtue signalling? Whilst "Ciara" will go on tv and say she'd welcome travellers and their caravans onto her road, it's not my style to simply say something I think will prove popular.

pc7

Mod Note

Locking for review, as per multiple, multiple warnings on this thread in the last few weeks do not start moaning at mods if you get hit with a ban.

Nody

Mod:
You were asked to focus on the radio show and we end up with two pages of debate on equality with neither side bothering to link to anything to back up their "facts" (with one exception on heating methods); color me unimpressed. If you wish to continue the discussion the right forum would be Humanities and actually back up your points with sources. A few cards & bans have been handed out for those taking it to far but focus on the radio show going forward.

Sleeper12

Official figures just called out on the show state that men are are much more at risk out on the streets than women.

This backs up what myself and a lot like posters have been saying.

Not trying to take away from the risk of women from being attacked but this is not the image Ciara puts out of on the show time and again.

Sleeper12

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Official figures just called out on the show state that men are are much more at risk out on the streets than women.

This backs up what myself and a lot like posters have been saying.

Not trying to take away from the risk of women from being attacked but this is not the image Ciara puts out of on the show time and again.

yes, noticed she was very quiet when that stat was read out !

evolving_doors

hotmail.com wrote: »

I wasn't specifically referring to your situation.

You weren't being specific about anything really

Redneck Culchie

I wonder how much of the radical feminist guff Ciara even actually believes. I'd actually question what her beliefs even are, she doesn't seem sincere just hopping on the feminist bandwagon at the moment. She would say anything to boost her ratings and career.

Sleeper12

Redneck Culchie wrote:

I wonder how much of the radical feminist guff Ciara even actually believes. I'd actually question what her beliefs even are, she doesn't seem sincere just hopping on the feminist bandwagon at the moment. She would say anything to boost her ratings and career.

I was a hook fan but I often thought the same about him. His grumpy old man routine or his supposed attitude towards women. I think they all act up for the cameras in their own way, and live up to the stereo type

bertsmom

hotmail.com wrote:

Most women still do the housework, still do most of the rearing of children, leave work to deal with a sick child.

hotmail.com wrote:

They are being forced to do it because their male partners won't do it.

hotmail.com wrote:

I'm sure most women in Ireland will be surprised at this news.

hotmail.com wrote:

So most men do the housework now and leave work when a child is sick.

Im a 37yr old female working in a fairly big multi national company in the west of the country and just from day to day experience of working with parents of kids and chatting on our breaks All the talk of women doing most of the housework and taking the time of when a kid is sick is VASTLY backward.
That may have been the case in some families if it worked for them to do it that way ie. the creche is nearer to one parent than another etc. but its not because its seen as a woman's job anymore than a mans its just sometimes whoever it is practical for to do it

anthonyjmaher

bertsmom wrote: »

That may have been the case in some families if it worked for them to do it that way ie. the creche is nearer to one parent than another etc. but its not because its seen as a woman's job anymore than a mans its just sometimes whoever it is practical for to do it

We have to deal with this issue with staff on a regular basis. If the child is sick, the choice for the parents on who goes to be with the kid is not based on their own sex, it's based on which one is more likely to get paid for the day off (i.e. and not be forced to take a day's holiday).

ButtersSuki

Another good Liberal Ladies sketch on the latest Callan's Kicks (available on podcast in the usual places and on the RTE Radio 1 App). I can't imagine where he gets the inspiration for the characters portrayed in that sketch...........:rolleyes:;)

Fans of Ciara might listen to it for an alternative view.

Yer Da sells Avon

Redneck Culchie wrote: »

I wonder how much of the radical feminist guff Ciara even actually believes.

Radical?

Radical?

She's one of the dullest middle-of-the-road liberals on Irish radio. Only on this forum would the word 'radical' be used to describe her.

Grolschevik

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Radical?

Radical?

She's one of the dullest middle-of-the-road liberals on Irish radio. Only on this forum would the word 'radical' be used to describe her.

Yep! Nowhere near radical in terms of feminism! I'd even be sceptical of calling her any sort of feminist in political terms at all...

It wasnt me123

Accused priests can't have a "normal" burial - they make the rules, change them. Priests moaning about how hard done they are. Boo f*cking hoo

Yer Da sells Avon

It wasnt me123 wrote: »

Priests moaning about how hard done they are. Boo f*cking hoo

Redneck Culchie

Interesting a rape trial has collapsed due to a disgraceful article in the Irish Independent by a feminist journalist attempting to influence the trial.

Exactly the sort of rhetoric "believe all women" Ciara Kelly has been feeding into and promoting for some time now, along with lunatic communist Ruth Coppinger. This is the result of their self promotion.

The Bishop Basher

Redneck Culchie wrote: »

Interesting a rape trial has collapsed due to a disgraceful article in the Irish Independent by a feminist journalist attempting to influence the trial.

Exactly the sort of rhetoric "believe all women" Ciara Kelly has been feeding into and promoting for some time now, along with lunatic communist Ruth Coppinger. This is the result of their self promotion.

I don’t listen much but I’ll tune in tomorrow..

It’ll be interesting to hear how she approaches it.

Redneck Culchie

Rennaws wrote: »

I don’t listen much but I’ll tune in tomorrow..

It’ll be interesting to hear how she approaches it.

Amazingly the article in question is still left up by the Indo rag, I believe it was by Nicola Anderson. Really despicable "journalism" that now forces the accused and the complainant to wait and go through a whole retrial all because an opinion writer couldn't help herself.

If Ciara and her bosses are smart she will choose her words carefully or avoid the topic.

Redneck Culchie

Redneck Culchie wrote: »

Amazingly the article in question is still left up by the Indo rag, I believe it was by Nicola Anderson. Really despicable "journalism" that now forces the accused and the complainant to wait and go through a whole retrial all because an opinion writer couldn't help herself.

If Ciara and her bosses are smart she will choose her words carefully or avoid the topic.

Can you put up a link to it ? Thanks

Tell me how

Redneck Culchie wrote: »

Interesting a rape trial has collapsed due to a disgraceful article in the Irish Independent by a feminist journalist attempting to influence the trial.

Exactly the sort of rhetoric "believe all women" Ciara Kelly has been feeding into and promoting for some time now, along with lunatic communist Ruth Coppinger. This is the result of their self promotion.

Redneck Culchie wrote: »

Amazingly the article in question is still left up by the Indo rag, I believe it was by Nicola Anderson. Really despicable "journalism" that now forces the accused and the complainant to wait and go through a whole retrial all because an opinion writer couldn't help herself.

Can you explain how you think the article was attempting to influence the trial? I've read what I think was the article in question and fail to see how it could do so.

From an RTE article on the trial collapsing.

Defence Counsel Annmarie Lawlor earlier said she was making the application to discharge the jury, very reluctantly.

She said there was no other way of reading the article complained of, other than the "implicit suggestion" that society has had enough of the incorrect acquittal of people and that her client was guilty.

I think the journalist would argue they were reporting solely on the comparative environment in which trials are held between the UK and Ireland.
The comparison was relevant in that Judge john Gillen had published a report recommending changes on how trials are carried out which would include them being held in private similar to how they are done in Ireland.

sligojoek

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/rape-trial-collapses-following-a-newspaper-report-37566875.html

Lawyers for the defendant told the Central Criminal Court that on Saturday a comment piece appeared in the 'Irish Independent' newspaper which suggested implicitly that he was guilty and that “the complainant is, in fact, a victim”.

Acceding to an application to discharge the jury Mr Justice Paul McDermott said that the article came close to scandalising the court.

Redneck Culchie

Tell me how wrote: »

Can you explain how you think the article was attempting to influence the trial? I've read what I think was the article in question and fail to see how it could do so.

From an RTE article on the trial collapsing.


I think the journalist would argue they were reporting solely on the comparative environment in which trials are held between the UK and Ireland.
The comparison was relevant in that Judge john Gillen had published a report recommending changes on how trials are carried out which would include them being held in private similar to how they are done in Ireland.

I believe the article has now been removed, it has a different title to the Nicola Anderson one. Her name was mentioned on twitter. It was still up today though as a barrister on twitter was complaining about it.

DEFTLEFTHAND

I presume the Indo will part company with the journalist in question .

Sleeper12

Rennaws wrote:

It’ll be interesting to hear how she approaches it.

Il be gobsmacked if she touches this story.

ButtersSuki

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Il be gobsmacked if she touches this story.

Her usual MO is to avoid, avoid, avoid anything which contradicts her view.

Sleeper12

ButtersSuki wrote:

Her usual MO is to avoid, avoid, avoid anything which contradicts her view.

I doubt too many persenters will cover this story. If any did it would have to be done in such a way as to not make a bad situation worse. Not to voice your own opinion & make things worse.

I could see the likes of Pat Kenny being able to cover this tactfully but my own opinion is that Ciara does not have enough broadcasting experience to handle this. That's not to slag her off but as she found out bad mouthing her fathers doctor, you can't just all of a sudden become a broadcaster. Hook fou this out too. To cover current affairs you need to serve an apprenticeship & Work your way up. I'm not a Tubberty fan but even he started by making the tea in RTE

ButtersSuki

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I doubt too many persenters will cover this story. If any did it would have to be done in such a way as to not make a bad situation worse. Not to voice your own opinion & make things worse.

I could see the likes of Pat Kenny being able to cover this tactfully but my own opinion is that Ciara does not have enough broadcasting experience to handle this. That's not to slag her off but as she found out bad mouthing her fathers doctor, you can't just all of a sudden become a broadcaster. Hook fou this out too. To cover current affairs you need to serve an apprenticeship & Work your way up. I'm not a Tubberty fan but even he started by making the tea in RTE

Not the best example to give really is it given how he handled the Peter Casey interview?