Lunchtime Live with Ciara Kelly [Mod warning post #1]

two wheels good

Rennaws wrote: »

Imagine..

Having just accidentally accused the guests father of raping her..

The outrage would be off the scale..

Should just call it international rapists day..

I'm not even going to try to understand the connection there.
But .. appalling mistake by Newstalk to confuse the culprit.

The Bishop Basher

two wheels good wrote: »

I'm not even going to try to understand the connection there.

Removed the comment as it’s not really relevant other than Ciara struggles to hide her compelete disdain for men as she discusses rape over and over and over..

Twice now she’s got it very wrong with guests.

The hypocrisy and double standards are sickening..

meeeeh

Rennaws wrote: »

Removed the comment as it’s not really relevant other than Ciara struggles to hide her compelete disdain for men as she discusses rape over and over and over..

A woman waves her anonymity so her rapist could be identified and so that she can talk about the effects rape has on victim and you whinge because she didn't talk about men's day. Do you really think that is disdain for men or wouldn't you think that maybe she has her priorities right.

As far as I could hear Yates didn't mention men's day either but he had an item on two rape stories from the courts today. He did mention world toilet day. Is he barley hiding disdain for men too?

ButtersSuki

meeeeh wrote: »

A woman waves her anonymity so her rapist could be identified and so that she can talk about the effects rape has on victim and you whinge because she didn't talk about men's day. Do you really think that is disdain for men or wouldn't you think that maybe she has her priorities right.

As far as I could hear Yates didn't mention men's day either but he had an item on two rape stories from the courts today. He did mention world toilet day. Is he barley hiding disdain for men too?

Why do you feel the need to conflate the two issues? I didn't mention rape. I simply asked did she mention the topic.

On the issue of the rape and re. the incorrect naming of the father as the rapist, I think that's an especially egregious thing to say to a victim and regardless of the sex of the host should be called out for the at best lack of preparation in advance of said interview. I would expect any host (male, female, or gender fluid) to at least have something as basic and as sensitive as that correct before making such a comment.

meeeeh

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Why do you feel the need to conflate the two issues? I didn't mention rape. I simply asked did she mention the topic.

Unless Rennaws is your second account I wasn't responding to you.

The Bishop Basher

meeeeh wrote: »

Unless Rennaws is your second account I wasn't responding to you.

I didn’t comment at all on the fact that she didn’t mention men’s day so I’ve no idea what you’re on about..

I made an unrelated comment about the name but that was it..

I couldn’t give 2 sh1tes that she didn’t mention it..

ButtersSuki

meeeeh wrote: »

Unless Rennaws is your second account I wasn't responding to you.

I never said you were, but I (and any other poster) can comment on any post in the thread you know.

A genuine question - do you feel it was unprofessional of her and showed a lack of preparedness for such a serious interview on a very sensitive topic to get such a basic fact wrong? I'm genuinely curious if you'll excuse this.

Sleeper12

meeeeh wrote:

A woman waves her anonymity so her rapist could be identified and so that she can talk about the effects rape has on victim and you whinge because she didn't talk about men's day. Do you really think that is disdain for men or wouldn't you think that maybe she has her priorities right.

I know someone who messed (not actual rape) with his step daughters. As adults they went to the police. They kept their anonymity and he was convicted. Problem is that he isn't named in any papers or online while just about everyone in their area know the identity of the girls through gossip. I honestly think it better to name the attacker and wave your anonymity otherwise you actually end up protecting your attacker & risking others getting attacked in the future.

I 100 percent respect any victim that names & shames their attacker

meeeeh

ButtersSuki wrote: »

I never said you were, but I (and any other poster) can comment on any post in the thread you know.

A genuine question - do you feel it was unprofessional of her and showed a lack of preparedness for such a serious interview on a very sensitive topic to get such a basic fact wrong? I'm genuinely curious if you'll excuse this.

I posted what I think about the mistake in an earlier post. I also think it's telling how the same people (including you) are only worried about the hurt caused to the father (which was rectified 30 seconds later, she also apologised at the end of the interview again) and the comment about the actual interview is that she keeps banging on about rape.

Barna77

jay0109 wrote: »

Niall Boylan show on Classic Hits from 12pm to 2pm will cure that for you

Jesus no.
I'd rather listen to the Angelus than his constant moans about vaccines, foreigners and people on welfare

ButtersSuki

meeeeh wrote: »

I posted what I think about the mistake in an earlier post. I also think it's telling how the same people (including you) are only worried about the hurt caused to the father (which was rectified 30 seconds later, she also apologised at the end of the interview again) and the comment about the actual interview is that she keeps banging on about rape.

Oh I see it now, it was just “a bit sloppy”; not unprofessional or unprepared?

Where have I said I’m only concerned about the hurt caused to the father? I didn’t say anything of the sort. I merely asked a question re. her lack of preparedness for an interview given the question she asked.

My concern was and is for the victim btw.

The Bishop Basher

I wonder in the interest of balance and good journalism if she’ll cover a rape trial from the perspective of a defendant found to be not guilty.

For those men unfortunate enough to find themselves accused it’s an incredibly harrowing ordeal and as this thread is testament to, you are forever considered guilty regardless of the verdict.

Your life is essentially over and as with the victims of rape many also contemplate suicide.

But I’m guessing she won’t see it from that perspective..

Because man bad.

Sleeper12

Rennaws wrote:

I wonder in the interest of balance and good journalism if she’ll cover a rape trial from the perspective of a defendant found to be not guilty.

That would be very difficult on the complainant /victim.

You have to understand that a not guilty verdict does not mean that the complainant was making up the story. It's extremely possible for a jury to 100 percent believe that the complainant definitely did not give consent. At the same time the jury might decide that there is reasonable doubt as to whether the defendant thought that they actually had consent.

The only way to do interview a defendant who was found not guilty would be if they were totally anonymous. Even then it would be very difficult for the claimant to have to listen to the story on radio knowing that they never gave consent.

Although you asked a question about a possible for topic on the show and I believe I replied again about a possible future show I will leave it there in case the mods don't see it as taking about the show

meeeeh

@Rennaws

Rape trials in Ireland are closed for general public (except journalists etc) and the name of accused is not released unless they are found guilty to protect them too. No sane person would put their name in public domain so if you are waiting for someone falsely accused of rape to do a radio interview you will be waiting long time. Especially because the lack of evidence often doesn't mean people will believe someone is not guilty anyway and all they will achieve is publicise their own name and spread more gossip.

Rape is horrific crime that's underreported and it's victims often feel isolated and embarrassed. If you think talking about it and highlighting what victims have to go trough is some form of men hating then I don't think anything I or anyone else will say will actually make any difference to you.

Sleeper12

meeeeh wrote:

Rape is horrific crime that's underreported and it's victims often feel isolated and embarrassed. If you think talking about it and highlighting what victims have to go trough is some form of men hating then I don't think anything I or anyone else will say will actually make any difference to you.

How can it be men hating when we also have male rape victims. I have heard men interviewed about the abuse they had suffered but I think more women than men are willing to talk about it.

The only issue I had with Ciara a few weeks ago was that she kept saying that women shouldn't have to be careful out on their own or in dark places. Men just have to stop raping. It was pointless to keep repeating this. The reality is that men, women, teenagers and children need to be careful when out in the dark and alone

Uncharted

Emm. Where have the last few pages of this thread gone? Am I losing it?

Uncharted

Uncharted wrote: »

Emm. Where have the last few pages of this thread gone? Am I losing it?

Maybe there were no posts ?

Uncharted

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Maybe there were no posts ?

I was scanning the thread on mobile and I'm certain there were 3 or 4 more pages.....

Glitch in the matrix?

JJayoo

Milan Curved Madman wrote: »

I think Newstalk would be pretty happy if Lunchtime Live turned into the second most popular radio show in the country.

Not for me but there's an audience for it.

The problem is that in the time slot rte are playing music, so if a person wants a talk style radio show they will stick with Newstalk as their isn't an alternative. If RTE moved things around Newstalk would take a big hit as Ciara is woeful.

Sleeper12

Uncharted wrote:

I was scanning the thread on mobile and I'm certain there were 3 or 4 more pages.....

It's a boards.ie glitch. Imagine on a different thread & it's telling me that there is no 3 more pages than there are.

Uncharted

Sleeper12 wrote: »

It's a boards.ie glitch. Imagine on a different thread & it's telling me that there is no 3 more pages than there are.

That's exactly what I thought..... weird.

Glad I'm not losing it.
Thanks for the input.

Same with Newstalk thread I follow , it keeps telling me there are more posts (and I’m sure there are ) but every time I go to look it brings me to the same page , posts there are days old ???

The Bishop Basher

Sleeper12 wrote: »

How can it be men hating when we also have male rape victims. I have heard men interviewed about the abuse they had suffered but I think more women than men are willing to talk about it.

I hadn't replied to Meeeeh's comments above as I thought they were OT but I hadn't noticed you'd brought it back round to Ciara again..

Nicely done..

@Meeeeh

Discussing rape isn't man hating. Discussing it from such a deeply biased and one sided viewpoint as Ciara does demonstrates a clear contempt for men.

If I was the only person to notice it I'd be more then happy to examine my own conscience on the matter but the fact that everyone else notices it too would indicate that it's a definite bias on Ciara's part, not mine

I hope that helps you understand the position a little clearer.

Sleeper12 wrote: »

The only issue I had with Ciara a few weeks ago was that she kept saying that women shouldn't have to be careful out on their own or in dark places. Men just have to stop raping. It was pointless to keep repeating this. The reality is that men, women, teenagers and children need to be careful when out in the dark and alone

And men are statistically far more likely to be the victims of a violent assault then women are but of course that doesn't suit Ciara's narrative so she doesn't mention it let alone discuss it on the show..

Strange thing is she has a husband and sons. You'd think these issues would be of concern to her but she's so blinded by her rage she just can't seem to help it..

That same rage that resulted in yet another car crash of an interview.

It's good for ratings as people love a car crash on air but it's extremely unprofessional and will be her undoing in the end.

meeeeh

Rennaws wrote: »

I hadn't replied to Meeeeh's comments above as I thought they were OT but I hadn't noticed you'd brought it back round to Ciara again..

Nicely done..

@Meeeeh

Discussing rape isn't man hating. Discussing it from such a deeply biased and one sided viewpoint as Ciara does demonstrates a clear contempt for men.

If I was the only person to notice it I'd be more then happy to examine my own conscience on the matter but the fact that everyone else notices it too would indicate that it's a definite bias on Ciara's part, not mine

Who is everyone else?

ButtersSuki

meeeeh wrote: »

Who is everyone else?

I certainly notice it.

“everyone else” is a generalism used to attribute (in this case) a belief that exists within a cohort of people; though it is not limited to such usage. I’m not attempting to speak on behalf of the OP, but it is obvious to me at least (and I suspect most people) that it is not meant pedantically and literally “everyone else”, as in every single person in the whole world. I suspect you already know this however.

Kamili

ButtersSuki wrote: »

I certainly notice it.

I notice it too - and I am female. Anyone I have spoken to about the show has also mentioned they notice it.

Like I said earlier - if Hook made the same comments about women as Ciara does about men there would be a mob banging his door down demanding blood.

meeeeh

Kamili wrote: »

I notice it too - and I am female. Anyone I have spoken to about the show has also mentioned they notice it.

Like I said earlier - if Hook made the same comments about women as Ciara does about men there would be a mob banging his door down demanding blood.

But that's it, it's not everyone else it's your circle of friends and acquaintance who often have similar attitudes. I bet you it even depends on the medium and reaction to the show on Twitter would be a lot different to reaction here. It's a general point but modern types of communication often limit people to conversing with those who have similar opinions but that is not "everyone else".

As for comparisons to Hook, he is gone over a year, your speculation is just speculation and at this stage tiring and repetitive.

Kamili

meeeeh wrote: »

My speculation is just speculation and at this stage tiring and repetitive.

FYP there

ButtersSuki

meeeeh wrote: »

But that's it, it's not everyone else it's your circle of friends and acquaintance who often have similar attitudes. I bet you it even depends on the medium and reaction to the show on Twitter would be a lot different to reaction here. It's a general point but modern types of communication often limit people to conversing with those who have similar opinions but that is not "everyone else".

As for comparisons to Hook, he is gone over a year, your speculation is just speculation and at this stage tiring and repetitive.

It's already been clarified that "everyone else" didn't literally mean "everyone else":

ButtersSuki wrote: »

I certainly notice it.

“everyone else” is a generalism used to attribute (in this case) a belief that exists within a cohort of people; though it is not limited to such usage. I’m not attempting to speak on behalf of the OP, but it is obvious to me at least (and I suspect most people) that it is not meant pedantically and literally “everyone else”, as in every single person in the whole world. I suspect you already know this however.

The Bishop Basher

meeeeh wrote: »

Who is everyone else?

The point I was making was pretty clear.

Her intense dislike for men is so blatant it's almost become a joke.

See the recent comments regarding her remarks on international men's day as an example.

She clearly has issues with men. The issues are all hers yet she holds men responsible.

As a doctor she should know that's not a healthy outlook for anyone.

As a public broadcaster she should learn to hide her disdain a little better.

It's made her look foolish and inexperienced live on air quite a few times now..