Lunchtime Live with Ciara Kelly [Mod warning post #1]

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Sleeper12 wrote:

Obama could be the worst behind the scenes for all I know but he's squeaky clean on the outside. They had to invent stuff about his religious beliefs & place of birth to try smear him

Sleeper12 wrote:

Not so much kissed his behind. It's more that he behaved himself. No porn stars in his past so far. Hasn't admitted to sexually assaulting anyone yet. Hasn't been caught lying or constantly spouting racist remarks.

Why are Irish people arguing over a foreign president and his predecessors? Pro and anti Trump people need to move on and realise that America is a foreign country.

Sleeper12

hotmail.com wrote:

Why are Irish people arguing over a foreign president and his predecessors? Pro and anti Trump people need to move on and realise that America is a foreign country.

We're not???

We are discussing a topic that came up on the radio. The roasting of Trump & his government. The topic is, if it was over the top or not. Its very hard to discus this without comparing it to other president roasting.

Leaving Obama aside, both bushes and Clinton were roasted several times. Again they attended their roastings several times. I remember several references to cigars during the Clinton roasting.

Bottom line is the right wingers in the states love quoting first and second ammendments of the constitution but they don't want people to have the freedom of speech to roast trump. Nothing that was said during the roasting wasn't true. Exaggerated yes but still the truth.

Personally I didn't find the jokes that funny but I definitely wouldn't be offended

ligerdub

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Not so much kissed his behind. It's more that he behaved himself. No porn stars in his past so far. Hasn't admitted to sexually assaulting anyone yet. Hasn't been caught lying or constantly spouting racist remarks.

Obama could be the worst behind the scenes for all I know but he's squeaky clean on the outside. They had to invent stuff about his religious beliefs & place of birth to try smear him

Your comment reveals their bias whereas you think it shows the opposite.

It's that sort of dull, tabloid stuff which has been floated around about Trump for a couple of years now which people have finally grown tired of. So much stuff has been said about him and very little of it has ended up standing up to scrutiny that people have pretty much either lied to themselves about the fact that they're not true, or they view criticism of him as some sort of quasi-parody. Let's not forget that it's not that long ago that major news agencies in the US claimed that he went to Moscow and had a prostitute urinate on him in a champagne and drug fueled romp! That and claims that he hadn't paid taxes in 20 years. Some people though, swallowed that **** up no questions asked.

As for the sexual assault and racism claims.......well sure, just throw out those easily debunked nonsense all you want.

The world went to hell in a hand basket under Obama's influence, and there was barely a negative word said about him in the press. The very fact that the worst accusations heard were questions about his background and sympathies to certain religious ideologies says more about how bought and paid for he was given everything else that went on during the Drone King's term in office.

It's amusing that the level of panic around Trump having involvement in global politics would be cause for World War 3. If anything there has been a reversal of the trend since he took over from Barry.

As a final point, if the Donald has has an extra-marital affairs then he'd have something in common with some of the most prominent people who have held that office in the past. Guys like Kennedy, Roosevelt and Clinton are lauded by many, certainly in this part of the world. They were shagging all sorts all over the place, were notoriously unfaithful to their wives, and for the most part the press kept it to themselves. It didn't stop any of them from being pretty good at their job.

Worst of all though when it comes to this particular topic, the jokes aren't funny. Say what you want, at least try and make it funny.

Sleeper12

DickSwiveller wrote:

Is everything so superficial with you? What about, ya know, his policies? Killing plenty of innocent people through drone bombings? I suppsoe none of that matters because he's a right on liberal.

They did not mention deaths under trumps watch either during the roastings.

Sleeper12

ligerdub wrote:

As for the sexual assault and racism claims.......well sure, just throw out those easily debunked nonsense all you want.

He admitted on tape that he sexuality assulted women. I'd love to see you debunk that.

There's also no doubt that he's racist too. He had to be bullied into eventually condemning White supremeists. Then he back tracked from the condemnation again. He has had affairs with porn stars while married. He has paid these off.

These things are all true. They don't make him a good president or a bad president. History will decide that but in the meantime he is a sex offender and a racist.

Tell me how

ligerdub wrote:

It's that sort of dull, tabloid stuff which has been floated around about Trump for a couple of years now which people have finally grown tired of. So much stuff has been said about him and very little of it has ended up standing up to scrutiny that people have pretty much either lied to themselves about the fact that they're not true, or they view criticism of him as some sort of quasi-parody. Let's not forget that it's not that long ago that major news agencies in the US claimed that he went to Moscow and had a prostitute urinate on him in a champagne and drug fueled romp! That and claims that he hadn't paid taxes in 20 years. Some people though, swallowed that **** up no questions asked.

You must be one of the few left who genuinely believes none of this is true or are choosing to take this position due to some hatred of the common view a la Fox News.


I didn't find the jokes funny either really and felt some of them were cheap shots who SHS, who I don't have much time for but think this was a bit much.


What did people think of the coverage on the show today of the cervical screening issue. Ciara said at the start, she was going to try to explain things to women to relieve some of their concerns. I'm not female so this isn't as pertinent for me but am curious what others thought.

meeeeh

I thought it was good but then I am just the right age group for it. I think it might also be helpful in getting hpv vaccinations up because people will realise how serious the consequences can be.

ligerdub

Sleeper12 wrote: »

He admitted on tape that he sexuality assulted women. I'd love to see you debunk that.

There's also no doubt that he's racist too. He had to be bullied into eventually condemning White supremeists. Then he back tracked from the condemnation again. He has had affairs with porn stars while married. He has paid these off.

These things are all true. They don't make him a good president or a bad president. History will decide that but in the meantime he is a sex offender and a racist.

No.....he did not! It's been covered about a million times in various different forms, but at no point in what he said does it suggest that this was against their will.....which is what sexual assault is. If not then pretty much every straight guy has committed it.

You're stating things as fact that just aren't.

ligerdub

Tell me how wrote: »

You must be one of the few left who genuinely believes none of this is true or are choosing to take this position due to some hatred of the common view a la Fox News.


I didn't find the jokes funny either really and felt some of them were cheap shots who SHS, who I don't have much time for but think this was a bit much.


What did people think of the coverage on the show today of the cervical screening issue. Ciara said at the start, she was going to try to explain things to women to relieve some of their concerns. I'm not female so this isn't as pertinent for me but am curious what others thought.

Call me crazy, but no, I didn't believe the story distributed as gospel that he was in Moscow being urinated on by a prostitute in an alcohol and drug fueled romp, nor do I believe the fantasy that he illegally hasn't paid tax in years. If I'm one of the few in that then that really doesn't bother me.

I don't buy into the witch-hunt the entire global media has for him, but if others want to get sucked into that that's their business.

This topic isn't about this so I'll stop it there at the risk of taking it too far off topic. Points have been made anyway, pretty clear, happy to leave it there.

Sleeper12

ligerdub wrote:

No.....he did not! It's been covered about a million times in various different forms, but at no point in what he said does it suggest that this was against their will.....which is what sexual assault is. If not then pretty much every straight guy has committed it.

Whatever about stealing a kiss. You won't know how she'll respond unless you try. I get that but just walking up to them and grabbing them by the P.... is sexual assult in any modern country. If he grabbed your wife or daughter like that would you still defend him?


I heard the tape. 9 women have come forward & said that he assulted them. He said that he'd sue each & every one to prove his innocence. The statue of limitations has run out & he did not sue anyone. The victims are now sueing him.

DickSwiveller

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Whatever about stealing a kiss. You won't know how she'll respond unless you try. I get that but just walking up to them and grabbing them by the P.... is sexual assult in any modern country. If he grabbed your wife or daughter like that would you still defend him?


I heard the tape. 9 women have come forward & said that he assulted them. He said that he'd sue each & every one to prove his innocence. The statue of limitations has run out & he did not sue anyone. The victims are now sueing him.

Have you ever heard of innocent until proven guilty? Clearly not.

Sleeper12

DickSwiveller wrote:

Have you ever heard of innocent until proven guilty? Clearly not.

He admitted it himself. Its all the proof I need. You don't get to say that you randomly assult women & then say "oh I was lying".

DickSwiveller

Sleeper12 wrote: »

He admitted it himself. Its all the proof I need. You don't get to say that you randomly assult women & then say "oh I was lying".

He said you do *if they let you*. Jesus Christ, it was years ago. Is this really that important?

Btw I was referring to the claims made by these women.

VinLieger

DickSwiveller wrote: »

Is everything so superficial with you? What about, ya know, his policies? Killing plenty of innocent people through drone bombings? I suppsoe none of that matters because he's a right on liberal.

Good for you completely changing the subject, i dont believe trump was roasted for any of this either of which there has been plenty already under his watch too

meeeeh

Is there a corner of internet that can be free of pro/anti Trump bickering?

Sleeper12

DickSwiveller wrote:

He said you do *if they let you*. Jesus Christ, it was years ago. Is this really that important?

You do know that most abuse & rape victims don't fight back right?

You do know that plenty of sexual abuse victims freeze, don't move & don't pull away?

A good general rule of thumb is don't go around grabbing women you are not in a relationship with by their private parts. It's called sexual asualt!

Sleeper12

Who is this "expert" on about house price falls? He's ignoring the fact that we are behind close to 100,000 units right now. We'll be 5 to 10 years catching up

ButtersSuki

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Who is this "expert" on about house price falls? He's ignoring the fact that we are behind close to 100,000 units right now. We'll be 5 to 10 years catching up

No need for experts on this show as Ciara knows everything.

Sleeper12

ButtersSuki wrote: »

No need for experts on this show as Ciara knows everything.

In fairness to her she knew a lot more than her guest in this instance

Uncharted

Sleeper12 wrote: »

In fairness to her she knew a lot more than her guest in this instance

"What is rare is wonderful"

ligerdub

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Who is this "expert" on about house price falls? He's ignoring the fact that we are behind close to 100,000 units right now. We'll be 5 to 10 years catching up

Sleeper12 wrote: »

In fairness to her she knew a lot more than her guest in this instance

I didn't hear the segment so I'll have to muddle through this. I heard Aidan Donnelly from Davy Stockbrokers speaking about this on the radio earlier on, perhaps it was him. There was also of course the Governor of the Central Bank stating the possibility of this yesterday too.

In terms of house prices, the pent up demand is already inbuilt into the current price, which is also why we have seen such a surge in prices over the last 6 years, particularly in the last 2 or 3 years. Price sensitivity (up or down) tends to be at its highest when there is scarcity relative to demand, and that is exactly what we have seen. People aren't paying mad money for houses for the craic, they are doing so based on the market forces they are operating in, and only the most capable and willing people are making any purchases at the moment, and the market is still operating on light volume in terms of transaction numbers.

You said that we are about 100,000 units behind at this point, well for example, if that were to reduce to say 80,000 units then we'd still be behind, but you could expect prices to reduce........because that supply squeeze has loosened. In actual fact the decline could be as sharp with the move from 100,000 to 80,000 in arrears, as it was with price increases in the move from 80,000 to 100,000 in arrears. A decent comparable to this would be the price of oil around 2008 or so, and the patterns up and down at that point.

There are various different factors which would alleviate a lot of the pressure around house prices at this point. Examples may be:

- rising interest rates (make alternative investments more attractive compared to real estate e.g. cash; also make total cost of repayments increase). This could lead to capital flight from institutional investors (mostly international anyway) away from holding Irish property

- reduced disposable income (higher rents and cost of living leave less money in the kitty for average punter, hence more difficult to raise a deposit or save. At some point the squeeze of the middle class will hit property prices, and the bank of Mam and Dad can go only on for so long).

- The uncertainty around Brexit, could have an impact on British investors here.

- increase in supply of housing

There's a lot of cash invested in the property market here for investment purposes, because of the situation the average punter is faced with. If these factors change then they'll have no issue in cashing in and moving on elsewhere.

Did you put any pricing models or analysis together in terms of how you formed your opinion that it couldn't happen?

Drifter50

How absolutely dare she, 15 minutes at the start of her show of pontificating about men and how we should report anyone whose behaviour we think is mildly over the top. Stop preaching at people, its your job to present a lunchtime current affairs show

Stuff like this we listened to from pulpits for years, its got to stop.

We all know what happened to Jastine and Anna is wrong but this is not the way to go about catching the perpetrators

meeeeh

I don't mind Ciara but I think she was unnecessarily scaremongering. Two horrific murders happened in a week but in general Ireland is still fairly safe country. If anything most violence towards women and kids is committed by people close to them and not by strangers.

Uncharted

Surely you know by now that Ciara Kelly feels she is the self appointed voice of the women of Ireland.
It's nauseating to listen to her spout her utterly one sided biased nonsense.
She has a massive agenda and it has no place on an afternoon radio show.
Women = oppressed and needing support
Men=evil oppressors and needing reprimanding

She said some thing like this in her intro.....

"We are the show lifting the veil on the treatment of women in Ireland "

A truly woeful,out of her depth,biased,amateur presenter. The sooner the better she goes back to writing prescriptions in Greystones.

mloc123

Who many men have been killed by men or women in Ireland this year? I don't get why there has to be this man vs women divide with her.

It is terrible, two women were killed in the last week but would there be the same outrage if two men were?

ButtersSuki

I heard about 10mins at the start of the show as I was driving. It’s bordering on Fox News type hysteria and scaremongering, complete with Trump-like levels of smugness and self-congratulation. She’s a joke.

meeeeh

mloc123 wrote: »

It is terrible, two women were killed in the last week but would there be the same outrage if two men were?

A lot of killings of men are connected to gangland activity or drunken fights. They might be not connected to gangs and are innocent people caught up in the whole thing but there is strange logic to it. There is no sick logic behind those two killings, it something average person can feel that it could be them or their child. I think there was a gang shooting where woman was killed this year and there was a lot less attention on that.

bertsmom

She is an absolutely terrible presenter. The way she speaks about men/smokers/anybody she has a different point of view from is really wrong to have on the airwaves.
It seems like she is relishing her 5mins of 'fame' on the radio to be so beyond impartial it's just hard going to listen to her silly over the top politically correct ramblings. I am strongly in favour of gender equality and equality FOR ALL but the likes of Ciara Kelly condescending to the masses on the radio is definitely doing more harm than good.
I can never listen to a full show as she simply is not able to facilitate a healthy debate.

Tell me how

bertsmom wrote:

I can never listen to a full show as she simply is not able to facilitate a healthy debate.

I do think she falls down on this.

She had a schools association representative on yesterday and must have asked them 5 or 6 times "Do you not think there should be a national plan", (relating to phones/tablets etc) as that was her view even though he said he didn't have an issue with what was happening a number of times.

She finished up with "a lot of texters think I'm right". That is very annoying to hear. A lot of the texters she read out obviously.

Personally, I don't disagree with her on that but it wasn't a balanced discussion and she ignored the views of both contributors really.

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