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A level of frustration is, I think, understandable when dealing with people who, despite having the facts explained to them slowly, in simple terms, over and over and over simply refuse to engage with it. And meanwhile children continue to get sick, and suffer terrible consequences (complications of mumps include meningitis, arthritis, brain inflammation, and deafness) including death (2% chance of death from measles in the US in 1999 (http://www.rightdiagnosis.com/m/measles/prognosis.htm) 2.5million death worldwide before widespread vaccination, now down by 73%). And the only rise in autism is perceptual because of reporting and acceptance (previously people with autism where labelled 'idiots' and put in asylums) and there has been no statistical increase in narcolepsy; a condition which usually first appears at around the age when the HPV vaccine is administered.
It's a situation where 'I'm not letting my child gets vaccinated because I heard some girls fainted' doesn't cut it. Cos you know what's worse than fainting? Cancer! And maybe the vaccine didn't cause the fainting, maybe some kids are just wimps who don't like needles.
A level of frustration is of course understandable when you're explaining something to someone and they're just not getting it, from your perspective. I don't think it would be controversial to suggest that you couldn't care less about their perspective? And that's exactly how they feel too. I said that you can't use facts, observation and science against intuition, and what do you do? Again with the facts, observation and science, as if that kind of objectivity is supposed to work on someone who is thinking subjectively? They're putting the welfare of their own children first, and doing what they believe is in the best interests of their own children!
It might not cut it for you, but which do you think these parents are more likely to relate to? Objective reality, or subjective reality? Your efforts are honestly about as effective as Bono clapping his hands at some glitzy award ceremony and pointing out that another African child has died. Do you genuinely think that anyone could actually be convinced to do something which goes against their very nature because people would try and hold them responsible for the deaths of other people they have absolutely no relation to whatsoever? Do you honestly think that they're going to appreciate the implication that you care more for their children than they do?
Parents generally do not display such detachment from their children that would render them capable of prioritising other children before their own. They want solid guarantees for their children's safety and welfare, and we both know that no amount of facts, observation and science can give them those guarantees. That's why they are prepared to risk erring on the side of caution for their own children's sake, as opposed to any amount of rational argument. emotional blackmail and derision you could throw at them. Their gut instinct is to reject it out of hand.ancapailldorcha wrote: »Their actions are causing people to get sick which is where the drive to ridicule and scorn them is coming from. It seems to me to be more about posturing on social media and ignorance than intuition and it's frankly dangerous.
If it were as simple as refusing a blood transfusion then I'd have no issue but they're impacting on the health of other people some of whom can't help themselves for whatever reason.
No, they're not causing people to get sick, the diseases are causing people to get sick. You cannot hold people responsible for something they have no hand in whatsoever. You'd have a point if you were able to show a direct causal link between someone developing an infection that kills them, and someone else being the actual cause of them developing that infection. I would be no more responsible for someone developing cervical cancer than I am for someone developing any other infinite number of diseases.
I don't know whether it's entirely about posturing on social media, certainly I'm willing to acknowledge there is an element of that with regard to what I posted earlier about attachment parenting, but the same insinuation then could just as easily be levelled at the vast majority of people in this thread who are back slapping amongst themselves about how at least they're not idiots and they care about saving the children and all the rest of it. It's high horsery at it's finest IMO and I really do wonder whether some posters concern is genuinely about informing people about vaccines and vaccination, or are they more concerned with posturing on social media? Who is really to say what their motivations are?
I would also suggest that it's intuition borne of ignorance and mistrust. I don't mind admitting that I haven't the fcuking foggiest about the HPV vaccine only that I know I don't know enough about it, and I sure as hell don't understand it, and the more it becomes a political point scoring match, the more I'm told if I actually cared about people I'd get my child the vaccine, the more I see people being ridiculed who have chosen not to get the vaccine, the more I see people aggressively touting vaccination - the more I'm erring on the side of caution tbh. It's entirely selfish of course, because what little I do understand, I understand the concept of herd immunity. The answer is simple then IMO - it's a challenge for the pharmaceutical and medical community to come up with a better model.
As an aside - if you think refusing a blood transfusion is simple, it's not, it's regarded as a gross inconvenience for some people in the medical profession, and in spite of all the lovely written policy documents regarding patient care and respecting patients and all the rest of it, some people make it clear they simply don't give two fcuks! That's fine for them, but it's not them who will have to live with it.Guess who lost?
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