Anti-vaxxers

VinLieger

Samaris wrote: »

I was wondering yesterday if anti-vaxxers, denialism about climate, etcetera, is some sort of weird species-level instinct to screw ourselves in the most ridiculous ways to ensure we don't eliminate controls on our population sizes.

Its an interesting thought alright, some inbuilt stupid switch that triggers to stop us overpopulating the earth

Samaris

Anti-vaccination and refusing to eliminate dangerous diseases is working-as-intended then. Climate change was a bit of a backfire as it hits many other species too.

Bit of a gloomy thought that we're this programmable though.

VinLieger

Samaris wrote: »

Anti-vaccination and refusing to eliminate dangerous diseases is working-as-intended then. Climate change was a bit of a backfire as it hits many other species too.

Bit of a gloomy thought that we're this programmable though.

Not really its kinda similar to genetic memory, "ohhh sh1t weve fcked like bunnies again, time to turn on the stupid to kill X% and save the planet"

Of course that assumes we had done it before, this may be the first run at it so its more like a genetic safeguard

um7y1h83ge06nx

Was reading there about the 1918 Spanish Flu outbreak - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemic

I knew it was terrible but didn't think it killed 50-100 million. Also didn't know it was a strain of H1N1.

A pandemic again like that would definitely result in a brutal population correction.

But sure who need vaccines. To riff on Monty Python - what has science ever done for us?

One eyed Jack

VinLieger wrote: »

Not really its kinda similar to genetic memory, "ohhh sh1t weve fcked like bunnies again, time to turn on the stupid to kill X% and save the planet"

Of course that assumes we had done it before, this may be the first run at it so its more like a genetic safeguard

You're giving pharmaceutical companies ideas for a new vaccine :pac:

astrofool

Samaris wrote: »

Anti-vaccination and refusing to eliminate dangerous diseases is working-as-intended then. Climate change was a bit of a backfire as it hits many other species too.

Bit of a gloomy thought that we're this programmable though.

The planet doesn't really care, it will keep spinning, and in a few million years, we'll be oil for the next civilisation.

Ashbourne hoop

Had a look at the Regret Facebook page. Close to 20,000 people like this page, and a lot of them are very vocal. A few snippets

my eldest was very sick for 6 months after hers but we didn't know at the time it was the injection.. so the twins got there's.. no problem with them tg but it's scary to think this is being forced

The HPV vaccine is a multimillion dollar scam and there is no reason to force anyone to get it except for financial gain

Making you and your children ill is their intention, if you're not sick they are losing profits, End of story.

It's a money making scam, as are all vaccines. Non of them immunise! They all cause destruction

And dissenting voices seem to be removed
Why has Shanes comment been removed. I came to this page to read open opinions. Do you delete those who are questioning your views?

jooksavage

Ashbourne hoop wrote: »

Had a look at the Regret Facebook page. Close to 20,000 people like this page, and a lot of them are very vocal. A few snippets

my eldest was very sick for 6 months after hers but we didn't know at the time it was the injection.. so the twins got there's.. no problem with them tg but it's scary to think this is being forced

The HPV vaccine is a multimillion dollar scam and there is no reason to force anyone to get it except for financial gain

Making you and your children ill is their intention, if you're not sick they are losing profits, End of story.

It's a money making scam, as are all vaccines. Non of them immunise! They all cause destruction

And dissenting voices seem to be removed
Why has Shanes comment been removed. I came to this page to read open opinions. Do you delete those who are questioning your views?

Paranoid, stupid people. Comments like the ones above come from folks who are wholly unfit to bring up children.

Orion

Ashbourne hoop wrote: »

And dissenting voices seem to be removed
Why has Shanes comment been removed. I came to this page to read open opinions. Do you delete those who are questioning your views?

That's what they do. Dissent is frowned upon. Their word is law. And [snipped] just deletes comments she disapproves of.

Just FYI [snipped] are the same person. [snipped] has multiple sock-puppet accounts both on Facebook and Twitter. She is also behind the "Blocked by the Irish Cancer Society" facebook/twitter - special kind of paranoia on that one.

Ashbourne hoop

Orion wrote: »

That's what they do. Dissent is frowned upon. Their word is law. And [snipped] just deletes comments she disapproves of.

Just FYI [snipped] are the same person. [snipped] has multiple sock-puppet accounts both on Facebook and Twitter. She is also behind the "Blocked by the Irish Cancer Society" facebook/twitter - special kind of paranoia on that one.[/B].

That's very interesting. It's very concerning that someone like that can influence so many people

PopePalpatine

What a charming woman.

hatrickpatrick

I've been saying this all along - the real driving force behind the HPV fearmongering campaign is sexual conservatism. Sick, evil individuals who believe that STDs are a just punishment for being 'immoral' and invent genuine-sounding health concerns to spread as propaganda to gullible people. I'm quite sure that many of the parents on this bandwagon don't realise that the real motive for those spearheading it is not health but social authoritarianism.

Crea

Nora Benis is an extremely right wing conservative Catholic Limerick woman. She has been involved with picketing the local family planning clinic and the first "sex shop" in Limerick. She is very much against contraception, divorce, sex before marriage, gay marriage, abortion etc.
Most people find her a bit of a joke because her views would be considered old fashioned but she does have a following.

hatrickpatrick

Crea wrote: »

Nora Benis is an extremely right wing conservative Catholic Limerick woman. She has been involved with picketing the local family planning clinic and the first "sex shop" in Limerick. She is very much against contraception, divorce, sex before marriage, gay marriage, abortion etc.
Most people find her a bit of a joke because her views would be considered old fashioned but she does have a following.

The exact same applies to Fidelma Healy Eames, and she was one of the first high profile politicians to jump on this bandwagon.

jh79

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I've been saying this all along - the real driving force behind the HPV fearmongering campaign is sexual conservatism. Sick, evil individuals who believe that STDs are a just punishment for being 'immoral' and invent genuine-sounding health concerns to spread as propaganda to gullible people. I'm quite sure that many of the parents on this bandwagon don't realise that the real motive for those spearheading it is not health but social authoritarianism.

Personally believe the majority are the usual far left politically arty types rather than the religious right. I think the religious right would be unashamedly up front about their views on the morality of this vaccine.

jh79

Crea wrote: »

Nora Benis is an extremely right wing conservative Catholic Limerick woman. She has been involved with picketing the local family planning clinic and the first "sex shop" in Limerick. She is very much against contraception, divorce, sex before marriage, gay marriage, abortion etc.
Most people find her a bit of a joke because her views would be considered old fashioned but she does have a following.

But is she claimimg that the vaccine is morally wrong and/or that it is the cause of these illnesses?

VinLieger

jh79 wrote: »

But is she claimimg that the vaccine is morally wrong and/or that it is the cause of these illnesses?

Both from how i read it

Sofiztikated

jh79 wrote: »

But is she claimimg that the vaccine is morally wrong and/or that it is the cause of these illnesses?

She's claiming it's morally wrong because it allows girls to have sex, and sex is bad. And sex causes the virus.

Bat**** insane, but other, smarter people can hide the insanity better.

kylith

Sofiztikated wrote: »

She's claiming it's morally wrong because it allows girls to have sex, and sex is bad. And sex causes the virus.

Bat**** insane, but other, smarter people can hide the insanity better.

Not the first time I've come across that attitude, unfortunately.

I wonder... would it actually be possible to vaccinated against STDs like chlamydia and gonhorrea?

darkdubh

Crea wrote: »

Nora Benis is an extremely right wing conservative Catholic Limerick woman. She has been involved with picketing the local family planning clinic and the first "sex shop" in Limerick. She is very much against contraception, divorce, sex before marriage, gay marriage, abortion etc.
Most people find her a bit of a joke because her views would be considered old fashioned but she does have a following.

I remember that wagon from I think the time of the X-Case and the divorce referendum. I thought she was dead.

mikhail

kylith wrote: »

Not the first time I've come across that attitude, unfortunately.

I wonder... would it actually be possible to vaccinated against STDs like chlamydia and gonhorrea?

It seems it's a matter of ongoing research. Perhaps there'll be such programmes in the future.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3067520/

One eyed Jack

kylith wrote: »

I wonder... would it actually be possible to vaccinated against STDs like chlamydia and gonhorrea?

It's certainly possible, but it's really a question of whether or not it would be cost-effective -


Cost-effectiveness of Chlamydia Vaccination Programs for Young Women

First vaccine shows gonorrhoea protection


Interesting one about the potential for a gonorrhoea vaccine is that it was discovered as a side-effect of another vaccine -


The vaccine, originally developed to stop an outbreak of meningitis B, was given to about a million adolescents in New Zealand between 2004 and 2006.

Researchers at the University of Auckland analysed data from sexual health clinics and found gonorrhoea cases had fallen 31% in those vaccinated.

The bacterium that causes meningitis, Neisseria meningitidis, is a very close relative of the species that causes gonorrhoea - Neisseria gonorrhoeae.

It appears the Men B jab was giving "cross-protection" against gonorrhoea.

Dr Helen Petousis-Harris, one of the researchers, said: "This is the first time a vaccine has shown any protection against gonorrhoea.

"At the moment, the mechanism behind this immune response is unknown, but our findings could inform future vaccine development."

kylith

mikhail wrote: »

It seems it's a matter of ongoing research. Perhaps there'll be such programmes in the future.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3067520/

I hope so.

But we'll still have the repressed getting up in arms cos youg people will be having the sex!

jooksavage

jh79 wrote: »

Personally believe the majority are the usual far left politically arty types rather than the religious right. I think the religious right would be unashamedly up front about their views on the morality of this vaccine.

Not sure far left describes some of the people I know but I get where you're coming from. The most fervent anti-vaxxers I know are a trio of alternative-medicine-taking, homeopathy-endorsing earth mothers. Their partners are just as bad.

Sofiztikated

kylith wrote: »

I hope so.

But we'll still have the repressed getting up in arms cos youg people will be having the sex!

There's a massive increase in oul wans getting the clap as well, so it's not just the jungwans that have an interest in that.

Orion

Crea wrote: »

Nora Benis is an extremely right wing conservative Catholic Limerick woman. She has been involved with picketing the local family planning clinic and the first "sex shop" in Limerick. She is very much against contraception, divorce, sex before marriage, gay marriage, abortion etc.
Most people find her a bit of a joke because her views would be considered old fashioned but she does have a following.

No she does not. 673 votes in ge16. I could probably get more than that if i danced naked in my town square.

endacl

Orion wrote: »

No she does not. 673 votes in ge16. I could probably get more than that if i danced naked in my town square.

I believe her people are all shinners.

gctest50

Orion wrote: »

No she does not. 673 votes in ge16. I could probably get more than that if i danced naked in my town square.

but but , she's nice - according to herself and the IT

NORA BENNIS is nice. You can tell by the smile lines around her 56 year old eyes. And if you still don't believe it she will tell you herself how nice she is.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/you-know-who-i-am-and-what-i-stand-for-1.75740

ohnonotgmail

gctest50 wrote: »

but but , she's nice - according to herself and the IT

I once walked around a pub in temple bar and insisted to everybody that i was quiet and shy. something similar going on there i think.

gar32

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/vaccines-and-autism-a-new-scientific-review/

And yet again vaccines possible link with autism. The vaccine manufacturers pay for 90% of the research and pay to discredit any study that links there products with the millions of damaged kids. Safer vaccines needed!!!