Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

yop

We are still in it. Hard to know if it feels like a loss or a win, if that makes sense. When I saw Sheehan take that ball for the free I thought it was curtains, the wind to the right was the only hope he wouldn't have the legs. So at that point I'd have taken a draw. When we have chance with Coen and Barrett, it felt like a draw.

But this bunch of lads are INCREDIBLE, to come back game after game the way they do when the fans are jaded and they still take knock after knock and still push on.

I can't say I was happy with the AOS experiement, think we suffered in the middle because of it, though who else you put in?

What will happen next Saturday, who knows. Hopefully we can push on and get that win, I backed the draw yesterday as it just felt that it was going to happen. After yesterday I expect Kerry will do us, u don't get a 2nd bite, but we have a massive resilience and spirit, that alone is worth a lot.

All the players should be proud of the display, we made mistakes, but the conditons were awful!!!!

Hope the lad who was sitting in front of me is ok, someone "Dropped" a phone down from premium and the lad got split open, head had to be glued!!!

Until next week!

Squatman

kilns wrote: »

How often do some of those normally contribute scores?  A good defence and decent marker and Moran will struggle for scores.  COC is quite easily marked out of a game by a decent defender in open play. 
I am just pointing it out its a worry for Mayo as Kerry will try and plan not to give Moran that much space again next time and it could be Mayo that are relying on frees from OConnor. 
If Rochford wants to throw in a curve ball, he should switch O'Shea to full forward and he could have more of an influence on the game from there.
To be honest, sacrificing your best player on form this year to mark a 34 year old way past his best shows defeatism.

who would you propose should mark Donaghy?
Seamie o Shea might be on the bench starting the next game?
would have been nice to try out nally instead of david drake, IMO

charlie14

spurscormac wrote: »

Had enough of these false stats on Donaghy's impact.
He had no part in the second goal, the ball was broken down by a Mayo player, Moran gathered the loose ball, shot, Clarke saved, and Buckley followed in and got the goal.

Donaghy didn't touch it.

You may have missed the one high ball that Donaghy actually was screaming for to be sent in high when O Shea was left stranded out on the sideline where Donaghy created havoc resulting in the ball breaking to Moran for Kerry`s second goal.

spurscormac

charlie14 wrote: »

You may have missed the one high ball that Donaghy actually was screaming for to be sent in high when O Shea was left stranded out on the sideline where Donaghy created havoc resulting in the ball breaking to Moran for Kerry`s second goal.

I didn't miss it, I'm just pointing out that Donaghy had no part in the goal.
Sure I was screaming from the stand, does that mean I can claim an assist on all of Mayo's scores yesterday?

Squatman

spurscormac wrote: »

I didn't miss it, I'm just pointing out that Donaghy had no part in the goal.
Sure I was screaming from the stand, does that mean I can claim an assist on all of Mayo's scores yesterday?

yea, and the 10 points when donaghy was looking at the ball, they went over as a direct result of donaghy looking at them. #PointsDonaghyScored.

kilns

Donaghy's ego must get a massive boost whenever he plays Mayo.
 Mayo treat him like he is Cooper, Brogan and Michael Murphy rolled into one. 
He is a 34 year who is well past his best, why not put your own player who is in his prime into his best position instead of back to mark him.  It defies logic really

charlie14

spurscormac wrote: »

I didn't miss it, I'm just pointing out that Donaghy had no part in the goal.
Sure I was screaming from the stand, does that mean I can claim an assist on all of Mayo's scores yesterday?

The difference between you in the stand and Donaghy is that with O Shea out position it was the only ball he looked for in high all day.
Kerry obliged and from that Donaghy created havoc in the Mayo defense resulting in the ball breaking to Moran for Kerry`s second goal.

charlie14

kilns wrote: »

Donaghy's ego must get a massive boost whenever he plays Mayo.
Mayo treat him like he is Cooper, Brogan and Michael Murphy rolled into one.
He is a 34 year who is well past his best, why not put your own player who is in his prime into his best position instead of back to mark him. It defies logic really

Without a full back this year for Mayo it is a case of needs must really.
The question is who best to curtail him.

Oldtree

kilns wrote: »

Donaghy's ego must get a massive boost whenever he plays Mayo.
 Mayo treat him like he is Cooper, Brogan and Michael Murphy rolled into one. 
He is a 34 year who is well past his best, why not put your own player who is in his prime into his best position instead of back to mark him.  It defies logic really

I would not underestimate his impact on a game. He, like Cooper, is a lovely player to watch play. Poetry in motion and he can kick very long points with ease.

The physical presence of aos neutralised Donaghy's potential. I'm not sure we have someone else that can do what aos did, Donal maby, but I'd prefer not to take any chances in the replay.

I think it also allowed our mid hf and FF to be a bit freeer to show their full potential rather tnan relying on aos.

Same brilliant strategy for me.

homerjay2005

Donaghys role in the second goal is crucial for not just the fact that it was him that the ball broke from, but with Aidan O shea nowhere to be seen (completely idiotic thing to do going out to the sideline when he was full back)the ball in caused panic in the Mayo defence, Seamus O Shea had to jump with Donaghy....who was supposed to be picking up the now free Moran? nobody picked him up and he ran free on goals.

seligehgit

Mayo News Football Podcast - Level Pegging....Again.

http://themayonews.podomatic.com/enclosure/2017-08-21T06_19_45-07_00.mp3

PARlance

We've 5 days to
FB: change personnel or figure out how to assist Aidan better when Donaghy drifts.
Kickouts: work on not letting a repeat of the first half happen.

Kerry have 5 days to change a defensive system because if we can manage to get more of our own ball and set up like that again, they are there for the taking.

spurscormac

David Gough refereeing the replay

km79

spurscormac wrote: »

David Gough refereeing the replay

Excellent
Pity for him he won't get final now though
Mcquillan it will be ......

seligehgit

spurscormac wrote: »

David Gough refereeing the replay

Great pick,best in the business imo.

monkeyman

Oldtree wrote: »

The physical presence of aos neutralised Donaghy's potential. I'm not sure we have someone else that can do what aos did, Donal maby, but I'd prefer not to take any chances in the replay.

I think it also allowed our mid hf and FF to be a bit freeer to show their full potential rather tnan relying on aos.

While the AOS full-back was a failure for me, I agree it allowed much faster ball into Andy/COC, as it wasn't being laid off by Aidan.

Biggest headache for me is where to accommodate AOS.

km79

seligehgit wrote: »

spurscormac wrote: »

David Gough refereeing the replay

Great pick,best in the business imo.

Absolute
It's probably robbed him of the final now
Dublin Joe most likely now ......

seligehgit

Laughable the talk of a black card for Donie at the death.Clumsy,tired challenge at worst,definitely not a pull down.Sheehan was already on the way down.

Oldtree

monkeyman wrote: »

Biggest headache for me is where to accommodate AOS.

PARlance wrote: »

figure out how to assist Aidan better when Donaghy drifts.

I think PARlance has our starting point.

Audioslaven

Oldtree wrote: »

The physical presence of aos neutralised Donaghy's potential. I'm not sure we have someone else that can do what aos did, Donal maby, but I'd prefer not to take any chances in the replay.

I think it also allowed our mid hf and FF to be a bit freeer to show their full potential rather tnan relying on aos.

Same brilliant strategy for me.

AOS would have worked brilliantly if he was tighter on Donaghy. He just couldn't mark him tight enough and he played fook in the defence but they will use the high ball the next day if we don't have someone physically strong enough to compete with him. AOS is not the answer as he can't mark tight enough. You would have to think SOS should be better. I am not sure about Vaughan in fullback.

This is a game we left behind again.

km79

Audioslaven wrote: »

AOS would have worked brilliantly if he was tighter on Donaghy. He just couldn't mark him tight enough and he played fook in the defence but they will use the high ball the next day if we don't have someone physically strong enough to compete with him. AOS is not the answer as he can't mark tight enough. You would have to think SOS should be better. I am not sure about Vaughan in fullback.

This is a game we left behind again.

Kerry were a point up in injury time
They also then had a point to regain lead and win game
If anyone left it behind and missed their chance it's Kerry!
Their entire defence is poor. That can't be corrected in 6 days
I'd say mayo are even more confident of a win now

charlie14

PARlance wrote: »

We've 5 days to
FB: change personnel or figure out how to assist Aidan better when Donaghy drifts.
Kickouts: work on not letting a repeat of the first half happen.

Kerry have 5 days to change a defensive system because if we can manage to get more of our own ball and set up like that again, they are there for the taking.

I would imagine that Kerry will play a sweeper with someone other than Enright picking up Moran.
That may actually be to Mayo`s advantage as playing a sweeper will allow the Mayo half back line more opportunity to get forward than yesterday where Kerry`s plan was to curtail that, although if Vaughan is on Donaghy it could cancel out that advantage.

Rochford may have stolen a march on Kerry with O Shea at fullback in that with Maher and Moran at midfield they dropped Barry, who is dangerous with ball in hand going forward expecting O Shea, to be around there, so I wouldn`t be surprised to see him starting.
Other than perhaps O Sullivan starting for M Geaney I wouldn`t see any other changes for Kerry as they got what they were looking for with Murphy on Keegan.

For Mayo, who imho yesterday played as well as I have seen this group play, I wouldn`t see that any player from the starting 15 who doesn`t deserve to start Saturday, but perhaps keeping Boyle on as long as possible and introducing Loftus a bit earlier might be an Idea.
That still leaves the problem of Donaghy where I have sympathy for Rochford in it could be a case of damned if you do and damned if you don`t.

seligehgit

I believe it's a game we left behind but if the lads push on the next day they are more capable of putting the Kingdom to the sword and banishing many of those demons.I think they know they have the beating of this Kerry team,let us prove it.

It's time to keep the faith in this wonderful band of brothers.

seligehgit

Conor Loftus was definitely introduced far too late,a couple of minutes...

seligehgit

Good God how are we going to pass the next five days?LOL:D

charlie14

seligehgit wrote: »

Conor Loftus was definitely introduced far too late,a couple of minutes...

Brolly is not exactly every-ones cup of tea, but he did make a good point yesterday.
In the last 10 minutes Mayo need to push for scores to kill off teams rather than leave themselves in the position of looking to level games in added time.
Admittedly I haven`t seen a lot of Loftus, but from what I have seen, coming in with fresh legs he has struck me as a player with that mindset.

seligehgit

charlie14 wrote: »

Brolly is not exactly every-ones cup of tea, but he did make a good point yesterday.
In the last 10 minutes Mayo need to push for scores to kill off teams rather than leave themselves in the position of looking to level games in added time.
Admittedly I haven`t seen a lot of Loftus, but from what I have seen, coming in with fresh legs he has struck me as a player with that mindset.

The killer instinct.

Audioslaven

km79 wrote: »

Kerry were a point up in injury time
They also then had a point to regain lead and win game
If anyone left it behind and missed their chance it's Kerry!
Their entire defence is poor. That can't be corrected in 6 days
I'd say mayo are even more confident of a win now

Mayo are good enough without any doubt. You said it Kerry defence was poor and for that reason we should have won this. We also missed three reasonable chance at the end and a bad placed ball at the very last attack we had. Also, Sheehan does not do high pressured frees.

We still have a serious chance of winning this but they were there for the taking. They just have a nacky way of keeping in games when playing poorly. I think they will be better the next day but I also think we will get more from from players like Keegan, AOS, SOS and Mcloughlin.

Audioslaven

seligehgit wrote: »

Good God how are we going to pass the next five days?LOL:D

Go on the beer and talk about Mayo all week!!

PARlance

seligehgit wrote: »

Good God how are we going to pass the next five days?LOL:D

One week less to wait for the final