Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

martyos121

km79 wrote: »

Possible hamstring injury

I didn't think he was having a stormer as it happens and agreed with the hange to bring durkan on for him

Dreadful wide just before it too

Today was the first time I agreed with Boyle being taken off at the right time. He had a very good first half and was decent in the second but you could see the game was slowly getting away from him, and Durcan always has a part to play in Croke Park. It's almost a tradition now that he scores a big point in a big match, and Rochford gave him the right amount of time to do so. If he improves defensively and stops losing his man so often there's no reason he can't come close to the level Keegan is at in the coming years.

djPSB

That free COC missed from right in front of the goals proved crucial in the end. Can't be missing them.

seligehgit

Just hoping we can close out a game like this for once next Saturday.We really had the beating of that Kerry team.

Real error by Stephen Rochford to station Aidan O Shea at full back.Totally backfired imo.

Wonderful display by Andy Moran today,Jason Doherty take a bow.Simply outstanding.

David Clarke kickouts at times aside had a solid game.Brendan Harrison had a decent game on the ever dangerous Geaney.Lee Keegan was particularly quiet,Murphy did his job.

Kerry management made very astute switches,Griffin and Maher called ashore.I was surprised to see Michael Geaney,less of a surprise he was called ashore so early.

Donaghy had the correct ball delivery to negate Aidan's strength in the air and expose his lack of mobility and know how for such a specialised position.Donaghy had a central role for Kerry.The game largely passed him by excepting that crucial line lost for the second Kerry goal.

Unfortunately errors by Seamie O Shea cost us very dearly today.

Much to be positive about,our movement was very good today and total from play was welcome.

Jack O Shea mentioned some surprise selections for the replay,Sean O Shea?

My God how good is David Clifford?I would put him in,amazing footballer.

Squatman

I wouldnt be happy with some of deegans calls today. Notably, he went 30 seconds over injury time in the first have as it favoured kerrys attack. And, despite donaghys substitution in injury time of the 2nd half, he blew it up almost immediately as mayo had possession. ( it also took sheehan 50 seconds to take the free) very frustrating. Otherwise, some very easy frees were given to kerry, whose off the ball antics were rife. It would be very beneficial for the mayo team if someone created a montage of Kerrys incessant fouling and cute hoorisms.- worked for dublin final last year against keegan. Finally, i believe the ref gave 2 points (frees) to kerry for off the ball incidents when play had developed. Great game besides. Was expecting to be knocked out today.

PressRun

seligehgit wrote: »

Wonderful display by Andy Moran today,Jason Doherty take a bow.Simply outstanding.

Unfortunately errors by Seamie O Shea cost us very dearly today.

Jason had another great game and has been having a great year really. He's been crucial for us.

Seamie was utterly headless today. Brutal performance.

PARlance

PressRun wrote: »

We were the better team and yet still made stupid mistakes that nearly cost us.

Of all the ridiculous decisions I've seen, putting Aidan O'Shea on Donaghy is up there with the lot of them. I had a feeling that the Donaghy issue was being over thought and so it was.
Aidan is a midfielder. That is the position in which he has always played his best football and it's where he's been most effective for us all year. Taking him out of that role and putting him in a man marking role that he isn't even good at is absolutely suicidal stuff. It didn't even work - Donaghy still scored and was involved in nearly every Kerry move. So we took one of our most influential players out of the game for absolutely nothing. Our midfield struggled all day and Aidan's absence was felt. This should have been recognized early and rectified.
Kerry seemed to focus on stopping our runners fr half back and it worked. Lee struggled to get into it.
Barrett wasn't quick enough for o donoghue.
Andy showed well and Durcan when he came on. Cillian got a couple of unreal scores too.

I think it was a crazy decision but I don't think we'll know if it worked or not.

I think the main concern was to stop ball coming into Donaghy in or around the square. To him creating goal chances. If that was the aim, it more or less worked*. It worked because they decided to use Donaghy another way. If it wasn't Aidan in there, they would have used the high ball a lot more. I don't think there's any question about that. You only have to look at their 2nd goal. Aidan caught out of position and they spotted it... launched it into Donaghy, Seamie didn't compete sufficiently, Moran gets the ball from the knock down and was clean through.

You're not going to fully quieten any full forward and especially not Donaghy. We all know Aidan isn't a tight marker, I think they were willing to allow Donaghy a few points or to create points as long as his role in front of goal was nullified as much as possible. We all know the problem we've had with conceding goals.

But the other unknown is not knowing what damage Aidan would have done out the field. A lot would be my answer. Kerry are there to be run at. He would have been very useful in that middle third, drawing men and feeding it to runners to break through.

*I don't think any full back would have stopped the 2 on 1 for their first goal. He was exposed and you have to look at others not tracking back. And the loss of possession in the first place from Seamus, he just does that too often. He also bounces back from poor games well so here's hoping that continues.

It was a crazy decision but I can't say it was a disaster. I'm still at a loss with what to make of Rochford 2 years on. One thing is for sure, he is the most ballsy conservative I've seen. Making massive decisions not to lose games instead of winning them.

flandabieduzie

Glad to see that you guys aren't biting the bait from those agenda driven panelists on TSGame tonight.

Fair play to Rochford he has some guts for make big calls. Which had merits and demerits today. I'm glad I don't have to put AOS in position next weekend.

This is a really good discussion group you guys have. I'll be checking in for hopefully a few more weeks.

Best of luck in the replay and beyond.

A Roscommon Fan....... controversial, I know!! 😠Hon the wesht!

jr86

Well what about that...

Same old story. A heroic effort and incredible intensity but once again that old failing - when a game is there for us we just don't go out and grab it.

It was my fear before the game and I hate being proven right. However my real fear was Kerry would tag on the necessary scores near the end and while they kicked a few, thankfully none were the killer blow.

We were hanging on a bit for the last ten, including injury time, and I did think we were dead and buried when Murphy kicked that beauty, but credit to durcan after a poor miss minutes earlier, he smashed it. But bloody hell the next few seconds summed us up. Win the kick out and a chance to win the game and BAM give the ball away.

We're more than capable of winning the replay but my thinking remains the same. Kerry get scores easier and panic far less than we do. I sadly think we'll be disappointed again

A few points

- AOS experiment was ballsy but it did work to an extent. There was no heart in mouth moments with donaghy plucking it out of the sky and then left with the goal at his mercy. His influence was clearly evident though and he had a hand in too many scores for comfort. Id be in the move Aido up camp

- I thought boyler's substitution was actually a right call. Durcan needed to be unleashed and Leeroy is a match winner. Boyle left it all out there

- What a performance by Paul Murphy. Completely negated keegan which possibly ensured Kerry are still in the championship.

- that Kerry FB line are all at sea. Andy Moran was a colossus and Doc not far behind. DOC has been a write off all summer and the time has come to exclude him from the 15

- Drake should have been nowhere near the action. What is his reluctance in using Nally about?

- sadly we gifted them way too many scores and Clarke and SOS had a lot to do with that. That said Clarke kept us in the game with that Barry save.

I'm buzzing for the replay though. It's clear again today why this Mayo side has never won as proper underdogs. Gifting scores and no coolness to go on and score a winner. But they have 6 days now to look inside themselves and change history. Roll on saturday

jr86

SomethingElse wrote: »

There was a massive sense of deflation around us when Drake's name was called out. He is simply not a forward.

Or county standard quite frankly. There's always one lad on every team who bizarrely gets picked over players far superior

Jeez Nally can kick scores from the sideline it was a complete no brainer

PARlance

flandabieduzie wrote: »

Glad to see that you guys aren't biting the bait from those agenda driven panelists on TSGame tonight.

I'm not buying any of the "Mayo left it out there" talk that oozed out of RTE today. We were brilliant at times, brutal at others. Same for Kerry.

A point down with a couple of minutes left, I'll take the draw and hope we take the game to them on Saturday.

seligehgit

The reluctance of the management to introduce Shane Nally as opposed to David Drake is a mystery.

Paddy Durcan could have been brought in for Diarmuid O Connor.Diarmuid's had a very poor summer.

Next Saturday is the opportunity for the players to finally take a contest that is the melting pot against Kerry and Dublin when it really matters.

jr86

martyos121 wrote: »

First thought after the game like many others was questioning why AOS was left back to pick up Donaghy for the whole game, especially with him losing control of him so often. Then, I considered that Kerry kicked virtually nothing into Donaghy near the square after Aidan won the first aerial battle. So, that decision definitely cost us a few points (and a goal in fairness when Aidan was caught out of position the one time) but what kind of damage would star have done if they left Vaughan or Caff in there to mark him?

It looked very much like damage control to me, and it might have saved us to fight another day. As someone said here the last day, all it takes is two good balls in to Donaghy to kill the game. We didn't give them that opportunity, and settled for giving him control of the game from a little further out.

I had this discussion with myself on the bus home.

I think all in all it did work. To an extent.

My memories of 2014 of him are all too vivid - plucking balls out of the sky and laying them off to JOD to bang into the net. Thankfully this was never going to happen today

I'm not sure we lost all that much up front. I thought - like yourself - Vaughan attacked superbly and he was never ever a man marker. Andy cut loose altogether inside - he wouldn't have got near as much service with Aido FF

That said Aidan could not get close to him as he drifted out and won ball - but that's where you want Donaghy...away from the goal

It might be controversial but id be half tempted put keegan on donaghy. Put Durcan in Lee's role and keep Higgins sweeping. I think Aido will offer us a lot more up the pitch and draw plenty of frees. but credit to Rochford for being ballsy

PARlance

jr86 wrote: »

I had this discussion with myself on the bus home.

That's one hell of an opening line, still laughing .

jr86

PARlance wrote: »

That's one hell of an opening line, still laughing .

That blasted 2 and a half hour journey to galway!!

seligehgit

SomethingElse wrote: »

There was a massive sense of deflation around us when Drake's name was called out. He is simply not a forward.

Not convinced he's a top quality half back either,he's a very conservative play safe type option.When one should be going for game,his introduction cries out that one is shutting up shop.

I grow increasingly exasperated at Shane Nally's lack of game time.

corny

PARlance wrote: »

I'm not buying any of the "Mayo left it out there" talk that oozed out of RTE today. We were brilliant at times, brutal at others. Same for Kerry.

Its a weird one. The game went with form for me and its pretty solid between the teams. They are evenly matched. Yet the bookies have Mayo 2/1 for the replay and the majority are using cliches like 'Mayo left it out there' 'Kerry will improve for the game' etc to explain away another nail biter result. I must be missing something. Is it that Kerry have elevated themselves with a particular performance of late or that judges still think Mayo are putting up the same performance level that saw them draw with also rans earlier in the season. Neither is true imo.

aidan24326

Mayo should have won this but for me (as a Galwayman supporting Mayo) it's 50-50 again next Saturday. I thought Mayo played some great football but a few poor wides were costly yet again.

AO'S on Donaghy didn't work out too badly but I'm not sure I'd persist with that the next day. Kerry's full back line is ropey as hell and it's not hard to see Aidan O'Shea causing mayhem in there.

From a Galway perspective it's hard to fathom how we've beaten Mayo two years in a row as Mayo are clearly a far superior team. Sadly maybe that's our All-Ireland now, beat Mayo.

I think Mayo will win the replay and then it's the Dubs again.

Agree with the comments re: DO'C - he has been totally ineffective this year and is playing with no confidence at all. He reminds me a bit of Jason Flynn for our hurlers, gone from key player to almost a passenger. He won't be dropped but he really needs to get more involved if Mayo are to win next Saturday.

Coillte_Bhoy

jr86 wrote: »

I had this discussion with myself on the bus home.

Sometimes on a bus it's the only way to have an intelligent conversation

finisklin

I note that Fergal Boland and Evan Regan were not included in the match day panel. Thankfully, the rumour of Barry Moran taking up Donaghy did not materialise.

The inclusion of Alan Dillon at the expense of Boland and Regan shows how conservative Rochford is. These are future players.

Having said that the subs he used were safe players.

PARlance

Anyone hear Rochford's post match press conference. Was half asleep when listening to it on the Newstalk Podcast but it was the first time I've heard him close to losing his cool.

It was no Kevin Keegan by any stretch and I can't recall the exact quote but it was in response to people questioning O'Shea at FB... let them question whatever the hell they want was the jist of it.

john mayo 10

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spurscormac

Tickets available now

km79

spurscormac wrote: »

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MayoAreMagic

djPSB wrote: »

That free COC missed from right in front of the goals proved crucial in the end. Can't be missing them.

True, but then boyles miss was even worse and nobody is mentioning it.


I thought AOS should have rotated out more. If he stayed in for the first 15 minutes to stop any Kerry early bombardments then fair enough, but come out then and make them chase him. However, I don't think donaghy was as influential as he was being made out to be. He kicked one point off a recycled ball - hardly criminal. I don't think he done a whole lot for the first goal to be honest - a simple hand pass to a man on the overlap. This thing where brolly says he 'had a hand' in 2-4. Plenty guys had a hand in them, he wasn't any more definitive than anyone else in creating the scores though. He was just involved in the general play, like plenty others. How many scores did Jason Doherty or Andy Moran have a hand in? And a far more definitive one at that?


The more I think about AOS, the more I understand the thinking behind it. If we went with b moran, we also need someone like keegan back there too. Which in turn gives them an extra man out the field to get ball into geaney and o'donoghue. There are definitely pluses to the move. However, Id have liked to see Vaughan rotate back there on occasion and just be a bit bolder.

I would like to see the likes of keegan take a gamble when Doherty gets out in front. Go off his shoulder into that space in behind and go for the jugular.


One thing I will say is the ref and particularly umpires bottled a 100% nailed on penalty decision at a time when Kerry were on the rack. There should be far more about this in the media, yet the Kerry media lads are on the offensive on the AOS decision. BJ Padden and co would want to stand up and be counted here. Don't let them set the narrative.


Finally, all this talk about mayo missing their chance is garbage. Are Griffin, Enright and co going to become better defenders in 6 days? If the lads off the bench are so good, why aren't they starting? Killian Young cant mark everyone.

Don't buy the bs, Kerry are under serious pressure, and a bit more composure from our lads would see us win next day out. Our chance is very much still there.

MayoAreMagic

PARlance wrote: »

Anyone hear Rochford's post match press conference. Was half asleep when listening to it on the Newstalk Podcast but it was the first time I've heard him close to losing his cool.

It was no Kevin Keegan by any stretch and I can't recall the exact quote but it was in response to people questioning O'Shea at FB... let them question whatever the hell they want was the jist of it.

Fair play to him, he is too nice to them anyway. Showing them the teeth every now and again is no harm at all. We need to row in behind him and stop doubting his every move. It is our best chance to winning the thing.

MayoAreMagic

finisklin wrote: »

I note that Fergal Boland and Evan Regan were not included in the match day panel. Thankfully, the rumour of Barry Moran taking up Donaghy did not materialise.

The inclusion of Alan Dillon at the expense of Boland and Regan shows how conservative Rochford is. These are future players.

Having said that the subs he used were safe players.

I was hoping Dillon would come on myself. We were lacking a cool head in front of the posts a few times in the last fifteen minutes.
I don't see any arguments for regan or boland being included to be honest. What have they done to warrant it? If they are future players (and they are), then why would you suggest relying on them in the present?

RobbieRuns

Did the whole country not say last year that Mayo missed their chance against Dublin ? They will hammer them next time round in the replay ? if Keegan had not been black carded in the game, honestly think Mayo would have won that replay.
It is always small margins and incidents that decide games at the top level. I was astonished at COC missing the first free of the game when he hit the post, the incident of the handling on the ground which should have been a penalty, all could have won the game for ye. Mayo take it and they move on, fair play to them.
Mayo are a team worthy of great praise, they are resilient, tough and never give in, they have shown it time and time again, annoys the hell out of me that people do not give them the credit that they deserve. It is I suppose just because they have not got over the finish line that people doubt them. I don't doubt them for one simple reason, they are a better team than Kerry, they were last Sunday and I can't see what will change before next Saturday.

Oldtree

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kilns

From a Mayo point of view is it not worrying that the majority of scoring is coming from a veteran in Andy Moran, you cant rely on him to perform week in week out and if he isnt getting the scores you have no one else capable of contributing a decent tally from play.

djPSB

The Sunday Game panelists were criticising the Kerry backs for following the Mayo forwards and leaving large gaps in front of their goal.

They also criticised AOS for not following Donaghy out the field for the first goal. AOS played it 100% correctly. He stayed back to mind the house rather than leaving 40 years free in front of Clarke. There was nothing AOS could have done about that goal.

The real problem was that no one tracked O Brien's run which created a 2 v 1 situation.