Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

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seligehgit wrote: »

Good God how are we going to pass the next five days?LOL:D

We've got to figure out who is going to help aido

kilns

seligehgit wrote: »

Laughable the talk of a black card for Donie at the death.Clumsy,tired challenge at worst,definitely not a pull down.Sheehan was already on the way down.

Oh thats the red and green glasses on there, he knew exactly what he was doing.  From a Mayo point of view it was a great cycnical foul

PARlance

kilns wrote: »

Oh thats the red and green glasses on there, he knew exactly what he was doing.  From a Mayo point of view it was a great cycnical foul

Not often I would disagree with Seligehgit but I don't think there was any doubt that it was a cynical pull down. And it was the right thing to do.

That's two matches in a row that the refs have decided to leave the black card at home. I really hope Gough continues that form.

seligehgit

Hope Stephen Rochford enjoys the afters of his sister in law's wedding tonight!

NabyLadistheman

Lads quick one. I am in a seating group with one other person. If I select the add a friend option will it move the full contingent to a different section? I am hoping it will but do not want to do it if not & cannot find any info on it. Cheers

km79

Suarezistheman wrote: »

Lads quick one. I am in a seating group with one other person. If I select the add a friend option will it move the full contingent to a different section? I am hoping it will but do not want to do it if not & cannot find any info on it. Cheers

It won't move the others

mayo.mick

thomond2006 wrote: »

Why was Boyle taken off so early in the second half? He was having a stormer.

He ran the b@ll@x off himself, tank was empty.

mayo.mick

:D:D:D:D

mayo.mick

Suarezistheman wrote: »

Lads quick one. I am in a seating group with one other person. If I select the add a friend option will it move the full contingent to a different section? I am hoping it will but do not want to do it if not & cannot find any info on it. Cheers

It won't move the whole seating group, only tickets on your account will be moved.

Zeek12

On the FB situation - a change up is needed.

Credit to Rochford for trying something different (it was obvious Caff wouldn't cope with Donaghy) - but on the whole it wasn't hugely successful.
AOS just isn't mobile enough to play there.

Plus we really need Aidan around the middle. SOS is not having a great season, we really need more presence in midfield, especially for kickouts.

I think we won less than 50% of our long kickouts yesterday.
They've already identified Clarke's kicking as a weakness and Kerry being Kerry - they will look to exploit it even more ruthlessly next time :mad:.

Donie could do a job at full back, but he'll need assistance. We would need to double up on KD to unsettle him.

All in all though, we're not in a bad place. Three weeks ago it was hard to picture us outplaying Kerry in a semi.

Management need to be brave now, and take the lessons from yesterday...

charlie14

PARlance wrote: »

Not often I would disagree with Seligehgit but I don't think there was any doubt that it was a cynical pull down. And it was the right thing to do.

That's two matches in a row that the refs have decided to leave the black card at home. I really hope Gough continues that form.

Definitely a cynical foul or to put it another way, taking one for the team.
When I saw Sheehan coming on I reckoned Kerry were banking on a free kick from distance.
Something he has been good at.
Reckon Vaughan thought the same and knew he was shortening the odds by taking him down where he did.
Regardless of all this bollix over black cards, at the end of the day you do what needs doing.

Coillte_Bhoy

kilns wrote: »

Oh thats the red and green glasses on there, he knew exactly what he was doing.  From a Mayo point of view it was a great cycnical foul

Yes it was cynical but not a clear black imo, i dont think it was a pull down as such

charlie14

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Yes it was cynical but not a clear black imo, i dont think it was a pull down as such

Possibly not, but with referees not appearing to even know what the rule is I have seen them flash it for less.
Many of them appear to be ignoring the drag down mention in the rule and going with what they believe is cynical.

irishgeo

Doubts were in shennan mind when he trying to steal a few yards for the last free.

We get lucky but both kerry goals came from mistakes by us. SOS and AOS.

seligehgit

David Brady is now flying the kite of putting Lee Keegan at full back on OTB.

I laughed at his suggestion last week that Aidan O Shea might play full back.....

homewardbound11

Just picture it. The confidence boost that the mayo panel would have after beating Kerry in the semi replay. Physiologically it would be massive . .oneards and upwards.
There is a hell of a lot st stake now and just as much for Kerry ( Donaghy , Sheehan, Osullivan, even Buckley )

charlie14

irishgeo wrote: »

Doubts were in shennan mind when he trying to steal a few yards for the last free.

We get lucky but both kerry goals came from mistakes by us. SOS and AOS.

I had the feeling that Sheehan was attempting to steal yards because he felt it was out of his range.
Probably just as well Vaughan stopped him where he did and not a few yards closer to goal.

Stoner

Unfortunately i can't make the replay. Getting eye surgery on Saturday, better be ok for Sunday so I can make Jayop out in Quinn's and give him a welcome slap on the neck and buy him three pints to level things up.

Really enjoyed the game on Sunday. I didn't think anyone left it behind it was just a cracking game.

There were some very interesting points.

Parsons was great imo and Maher was poor again when playing in a fast moving midfiled.

At the risk of a ban from the Mayo forum I offered an opinion on the Kerry forum that AOS has at times slowed up a lot of fast moving attacks from Mayo. I don't think he would offer much against Kerry at half-forward, could be wrong but a bit more cut and zip might be the job eg Vaughan.

That said I wouldn't waste him on a limited job on Donaghy, I didn't see many high balls going in anyway and it wasn't because Kerry decided that is was a waste because AOS would win it.

Looking at the game again SOS was worse than I thought and I think that he might be better doing that job on Star and pop AOS into midfield where I think he'd have more influence. I think Barry Moran could do that job too if Mayo want to just limit Donaghy again. I thought Donaghy was excellent on Sunday AOS is too nice for him you need a bit of a pup on him SOS is a bit nastier.

I think Vaughan would be wasted at FB too I thought he was pacy and moved very well himself and Parsons were very busy.

I thought Keegan and Murphy was very interesting, two of the best players on the field staring into the others eyes but terrified that the other would outscore them. Again I felt there were a couple of times when Mayo needed half back to help out and provide an option for the full back line but Keegan stayed in position with his back to play watching Murphy. Maybe he's not fit.

I thought Mayo did very well on the scoreboard but that the half-forward line was not great.

Andy Moran was fantastic, why Kerry left enright on him I don't know. There are a few forwards out there with strong upper bodies that show him up for strength, Moran was fantastic and it was great to see him left on. He was my man of the match and I still think he's Mayo's best, most natural, intelligent forward.

The two Kerry subs, Savage and Barry were big improvements for them.
Of all the subs you'd make, starting those two must improve Kerry's chances the next day.

Boyle was great again I couldn't understand the substitution, if he was jaded so be it.

I think Andy Moran can have another great game next week. Might not be as good

Overall I think that Mayo handled BJK and O'Sullivan fairly well.

You'd have to drop DOC for the next game IMO he was a passenger and improvements need to be made.

I'm not as confident as I was of a Mayo win now. KM I didn't back a draw. I don't gamble!!

But overall there's nothing for Mayo to be scared of now I think they've seen the best this Kerry team have, JODs poor run continues, Donaghy had a great game but Mayo are still in it.
Midfiled is there to be won.

AOS must have more to offer and subs could come on earlier.

These replays are great for the non emotionally attached supporter they really show the worth of the management teams.

From a Mayo perspective if AOS on Donaghy was a bad move , leaving Andy Moran to operate that way for the whole game was as bad if not worse and should offer further hope for the next day

#tldr

charlie14

seligehgit wrote: »

David Brady is now flying the kite of putting Lee Keegan at full back on OTB.

I laughed at his suggestion last week that Aidan O Shea might play full back.....

I can see the thinking behind it alright.

Murphy nullified Keegan going forward yesterday and Vaughan was very effective in his role, although after leaving Keegan at FB for the 2nd half of the drawn Roscommon game and the criticism that got the Mayo management, it is doubtful imo they would go with that option

finisklin

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

I was hoping Dillon would come on myself. We were lacking a cool head in front of the posts a few times in the last fifteen minutes.
I don't see any arguments for regan or boland being included to be honest. What have they done to warrant it? If they are future players (and they are), then why would you suggest relying on them in the present?

Yeah Dillon would have steadied the ship alright. He's a safe pair of hands and doesn't turn the ball over.

SomethingElse

seligehgit

Stoner wrote: »

Unfortunately i can't make the replay. Getting eye surgery on Saturday, better be ok for Sunday so I can make Jayop out in Quinn's and give him a welcome slap on the neck and buy him three pints to level things up.

Really enjoyed the game on Sunday. I didn't think anyone left it behind it was just a cracking game.

There were some very interesting points.

Parsons was great imo and Maher was poor again when playing in a fast moving midfiled.

At the risk of a ban from the Mayo forum I offered an opinion on the Kerry forum that AOS has at times slowed up a lot of fast moving attacks from Mayo. I don't think he would offer much against Kerry at half-forward, could be wrong but a bit more cut and zip might be the job eg Vaughan.

That said I wouldn't waste him on a limited job on Donaghy, I didn't see many high balls going in anyway and it wasn't because Kerry decided that is was a waste because AOS would win it.

Looking at the game again SOS was worse than I thought and I think that he might be better doing that job on Star and pop AOS into midfield where I think he'd have more influence. I think Barry Moran could do that job too if Mayo want to just limit Donaghy again. I thought Donaghy was excellent on Sunday AOS is too nice for him you need a bit of a pup on him SOS is a bit nastier.

I think Vaughan would be wasted at FB too I thought he was pacy and moved very well himself and Parsons were very busy.

I thought Keegan and Murphy was very interesting, two of the best players on the field staring into the others eyes but terrified that the other would outscore them. Again I felt there were a couple of times when Mayo needed half back to help out and provide an option for the full back line but Keegan stayed in position with his back to play watching Murphy. Maybe he's not fit.

I thought Mayo did very well on the scoreboard but that the half-forward line was not great.

Andy Moran was fantastic, why Kerry left enright on him I don't know. There are a few forwards out there with strong upper bodies that show him up for strength, Moran was fantastic and it was great to see him left on. He was my man of the match and I still think he's Mayo's best, most natural, intelligent forward.

The two Kerry subs, Savage and Barry were big improvements for them.
Of all the subs you'd make, starting those two must improve Kerry's chances the next day.

Boyle was great again I couldn't understand the substitution, if he was jaded so be it.

I think Andy Moran can have another great game next week. Might not be as good

Overall I think that Mayo handled BJK and O'Sullivan fairly well.

You'd have to drop DOC for the next game IMO he was a passenger and improvements need to be made.

I'm not as confident as I was of a Mayo win now. KM I didn't back a draw. I don't gamble!!

But overall there's nothing for Mayo to be scared of now I think they've seen the best this Kerry team have, JODs poor run continues, Donaghy had a great game but Mayo are still in it.
Midfiled is there to be won.

AOS must have more to offer and subs could come on earlier.

These replays are great for the non emotionally attached supporter they really show the worth of the management teams.

From a Mayo perspective if AOS on Donaghy was a bad move , leaving Andy Moran to operate that way for the whole game was as bad if not worse and should offer further hope for the next day

#tldr

First off Stoner best of luck with the surgery,I don't want you unable to pick out Jayop so you can level things with those three pints.

Fair point re Aidan O Shea but he could be still utilised in the middle park or switched into full forward depending on what set up Kerry go with.Not sure what options they have in the full back line outside of Fionn Fitzgerald as Griffin and Enright were in dire trouble.Can't imagine they'll drop Enright.

Barry would be a decent option but has played next to no football.

The Boyle debate is intriguing,I'll have to watch the game back again!He didn't appear to be running out of gas but the management knows better.He has had a tendency to empty the tank and it's been a long long season.He was excellent in the whole but had two poor wides.

The concerns I have is the relative freshness of Kerry relative to the lads and the depth of the Kerry bench with which we can't compete.

Hopefully Stephen Rochford will introduce Conor Loftus much earlier and give Shane Nally some game time as he must fresh as a daisy.

Hats off to the three oldest men on the pitch who were simply outstanding Andy Moran,Keith Higgins and Kieran Donaghy.I thought Brendan Harrison had a great contest with Geaney who must be the top forward in the country,ditto Jason Doherty.

Seamie or Diarmuid could justifiably be for the axe.

yop

Good luck with the surgery Stoner. Fully agree that SOS has been poor and DOC also. I'd be happier to drop in SOS into FB, Aidan into the middle and I'd have Durcan or Keegan in for DOC and run all day. I'd love to see a trick of dumping Barry Moran into FF to totally go at the Kerry FB line who won't improve enough in the week.

It will be an interesting replay.

Stoner

seligehgit wrote:

Fair point re Aidan O Shea but he could be still utilised in the middle park or switched into full forward depending on what set up Kerry go with

I agree completely. I think midfiled is his best position and he's an option at 14.

Note MDMA played midfield for Dublin against Kerry last year but was very effective dropping back on Donaghy every now and then, that's another option.

charlie14

Best of luvk with the eye surgery Stoner.

keane2097

Watched it back there, jaysus it was a great game.

djPSB

km79 wrote: »

Kerry were a point up in injury time
They also then had a point to regain lead and win game
If anyone left it behind and missed their chance it's Kerry!
Their entire defence is poor. That can't be corrected in 6 days
I'd say mayo are even more confident of a win now

Kerry may not change personnel but they will change tactical approach.

Can see them playing alot of men behind the ball the next day looking to limit space and break on the counter.

franklyon

I think Seamus O Shea is the man for the job, god knows he had a brutal game at midfield if Donaghy gets the better of him for a goal drop Aidan back and let him continue on where he left off but to get tighter.
That or put Aidan up at FF and see how that Kerry full back line like it, give them something to think about anyway, we showed too much respect to Kerry I think and we should be concentrating on our own strengths.

charlie14

djPSB wrote: »

Kerry may not change personnel but they will change tactical approach.

Can see them playing alot of men behind the ball the next day looking to limit space and break on the counter.

They have done that before and it worked well for them.

2014 final for one

PARlance

The last 3 minutes of the game on Mid West

Listen to Mayo V Kerry Final Moments by MidWest #np on #SoundCloud
https://soundcloud.com/user-962236350/mayo-v-kerry-final-moments

Shouldn't have listened to that just before bed.