Dublin City Marathon 29 Oct 2017 - *** NOTE: no number transfer!

ger664

Spirogyra wrote: »

How do the Pacers 'pace ' does anyone know ? do they start out a bit slower ? and go faster later ? or what is their 'plan' ?

Pacers in Dublin have always been instructed to run even splits miles the whole way through with a bank of 30 secs under. So 4 hour pacers will aim to finish nett 3:59:30 and run 9:08/mile. Some miles will be slightly quicker some will be slower but not by a huge amount.

Spirogyra

I'm targetting 3'40, which given results this year is conservative, according to 'calculators'. But if I add in 'distance', I've not always been done recommended distances per week, done a lot more speed sessions,the 'prediction' falls dramatically. Thanks A good chance I'll follow the 3'40 pacers then

robinph

I ran another marathon I think 6 weeks after London this year and managed to achieve what I needed. Only a couple of minutes slower than I was aiming for in London but did what I was after. Had only entered it at the last minute in order to get the fast GFA time. It's possible to run marathons close together, but I don't think I'd deliberately plan to do it far in advance. For me it just happened that I knew I was feeling pretty fresh after London so then took the opportunity of making use of that training block in a backup event.

I won free entry to the event again for next year, but doubt I'll make use of the place.

Zebra3

Is there a list of times the pacers are doing?

Can’t see one on the DCM website.

RayCun

Pacers are every 10 minutes from 3:00 to 5:00
(or have been the last couple of years)

noelearly

I recall a few hilly sections when I did it a few years back. I'm I right in saying the first half has more pulls than the second.

splashthecash

noelearly wrote: »

I recall a few hilly sections when I did it a few years back. I'm I right in saying the first half has more pulls than the second.

I would be thinking the same - I remember the 2nd half being a lot flatter, but I coudln't take advantage of it - spent too much energy in the 1st part.

Heartbreak hill in at mile 21 or so - but nothing else jumps out at me

opus

RayCun wrote: »

Pacers are every 10 minutes from 3:00 to 5:00
(or have been the last couple of years)

I'm running it with a friend of mine so was trying to get out of him what he was targeting, eventually he said he hoped to run with the 3:10 pace group & my next comment was 'there's a 3:10 pace group????"

That's the most impressive spread of groups I've seen anywhere!

RayCun

opus wrote: »

That's the most impressive spread of groups I've seen anywhere!

It's all a racket for UM1 and his mates to get free entry :pac:

Itziger

RayCun wrote: »

It's all a racket for UM1 and his mates to get free entry :pac:

I've kinda wondered about that once or twice!!

Note: I do not know any of the pacers and have nothing against 'em. But maybe next year they could go every 5 minutes..... then 2.5...then..

Hey, what about having a pacers' only race, would that work?

Unthought Known

noelearly wrote: »

I recall a few hilly sections when I did it a few years back. I'm I right in saying the first half has more pulls than the second.

You have a small drag just after turning right at St Patrick's Cathedral just after a mile.

After crossing the Liffey you have around a 5 mile drag, from miles 2-7, all the way up to Castleknock. Nice downhill section after this to let your legs recover.

Steep hill at St. Laurence Rd just after 10 miles, quite short though and it's an easy enough stretch then through to Kilmainham.

Just over a 1 mile drag up Crumlin Rd from miles 13-14. Seems longer though as it's a wide, straight road. Drag starts at the garage just after the canal and just keep in your head that it flattens just after the childrens hospital which you'll see in the distance. I'd recommend just keeping your head down though and follow someones feet.

Lovely flat and downhill stretch then from when you turn at Cromwellsfort Rd (mile 15), through Milltown (very short but quite steep bump here) until you hit Clonskeagh Rd just after mile 20.

Clonskeagh Rd kind of climbs in steps. Again, it's only around a mile before you turn off onto Roebuck Rd.

Roebuck Rd is actually pretty flat apart from "Heartbreak Hill". It's a bump though, over before you know it unless you let it beat you in advance.

Sounds easy on paper

RayCun

Itziger wrote: »

I've kinda wondered about that once or twice!!

Note: I do not know any of the pacers and have nothing against 'em. But maybe next year they could go every 5 minutes..... then 2.5...then..

Hey, what about having a pacers' only race, would that work?

The next step would be 4 hour pacers in wave 1, and 4 hour pacers in wave 2, and in wave 3 :pac:

I think it helps spread out the crowd. The 3 and (especially) 4 hour times are pretty crowded, even without pacers, if they were the only pacers they'd be mobbed. Covering more times breaks those groups up a bit, and there are always people chasing GFA or Boston times, or looking for an improvement on last year's time, to go in one of the smaller groups.

Bunch of inveterate gamblers that they are, I think there were wagers some years on which groups would be closest to the goal-time-minus-30-seconds mark :pac:

davedanon

At the very end of the marathon you can see the Dublin pacers desperately stalling so that they are within 30 seconds of their target gallantly hanging back trying to shepherd as many of their charges over the line as possible under the time.

Ultraman100

RayCun wrote: »

It's all a racket for UM1 and his mates to get free entry :pac:

i dont have 39 friends

robinph

davedanon wrote: »

At the very end of the marathon you can see the Dublin pacers desperately stalling so that they are within 30 seconds of their target gallantly hanging back trying to shepherd as many of their charges over the line as possible under the time.

Need to calculate the "winning" pacers using some formula of their time at half way and the finish to stop them cheating gallantly hanging back.

Ultraman100

3:00.Abhainn,Marty R;FrankQ
3:10.Dublin runner,cannine marathoner,The drummer
3:20.Fozzy,ChrisG,killerz
3:30.jackyback,Paul S,Fboto
3:40 Ankers,ollie,Paulr
3:50 rex briliantes,rolando,Garman
4:00 2 x stews,The Don
4:10..Pmc,artist formerly known as Meno,BostonD
4:20.jarleth,karina,PaulH
4:30,Alision,charliechapman,somedudefromcavan
4:40.younganne,youngerAnne,pascalm
4:50.Ray cass,pacingdonkey,Thejarlos
5:00....Ann mC,P Vanreisling,DeS

Peckham

Which pacer group is at the back of wave 1? 3:40? Presumably 3:50 go in wave 2?

Peckham

Which pacer group is at the back of wave 1? 3:40? Presumably 3:50 go in wave 2?

Peckham

Which pacer group is at the back of wave 1? 3:40? Presumably 3:50 go in wave 2?

Ultraman100

Peckham wrote: »

Which pacer group is at the back of wave 1? 3:40? Presumably 3:50 go in wave 2?

as far as i can remember from last year,so not gospel or from dcm organisers
3:30 at rear of wave 1...3:40 at front of wave 2...4:10 at front of wave 3..4:40 at fromt of wave 4

Peckham

Ultraman100 wrote:

as far as i can remember from last year,so not gospel or from dcm organisers 3:30 at rear of wave 1...3:40 at front of wave 2...4:10 at front of wave 3..4:40 at fromt of wave 4

Figured as much. Thanks

murphm45

Ultraman100 wrote: »

as far as i can remember from last year,so not gospel or from dcm organisers
3:30 at rear of wave 1...3:40 at front of wave 2...4:10 at front of wave 3..4:40 at fromt of wave 4

Is the 4 hour pacer not in the third wave? If not does anyone have any tips for getting into the "wrong" wave?

fatherted1969

Training is going well, last lsr this week 22 miles. Start tapering after that. Am running Amsterdam half marathon next week which ties into my training plan. Then it's reduce the miles, rest and eat well. Have dcm on the 29th the fly to New York on the Thursday for the marathon over there the following week.

Had a really bad run last week which ended up giving me confidence for the 2 marathons. Was a disastrous 21 mile run, tank was empty at 14 miles for some reason. Jogged/walked the last 7. Really suffered on it for some unknown reason. Forced myself back out the door the next day for a good session and was flying again by the weekend.

Any advice on what I should be doing recovery wise in between the two marathons ? I'll have full access to a physio who will be travelling with us.

RayCun

murphm45 wrote: »

Is the 4 hour pacer not in the third wave? If not does anyone have any tips for getting into the "wrong" wave?

If you ask at the Expo when you're getting your number, they may give you a sticker to let you change your wave. Tell them what your race times are that justify the move, and explain why you want it.


(emphasis not directed at you in particular, but some runners give the volunteers grief over this)

murphm45

RayCun wrote: »

If you ask at the Expo when you're getting your number, they may give you a sticker to let you change your wave. Tell them what your race times are that justify the move, and explain why you want it.


(emphasis not directed at you in particular, but some runners give the volunteers grief over this)

Thanks, I'll throw myself on their mercy so ... the worst they can say is no!

Failing that any other suggestions?

ariana`

Ultraman100 wrote: »

3:00.Abhainn,Marty R;FrankQ
3:10.Dublin runner,cannine marathoner,The drummer
3:20.Fozzy,ChrisG,killerz
3:30.jackyback,Paul S,Fboto
3:40 Ankers,ollie,Paulr
3:50 rex briliantes,rolando,Garman
4:00 2 x stews,The Don
4:10..Pmc,artist formerly known as Meno,BostonD
4:20.jarleth,karina,PaulH
4:30,Alision,charliechapman,somedudefromcavan
4:40.younganne,youngerAnne,pascalm
4:50.Ray cass,pacingdonkey,Thejarlos
5:00....Ann mC,P Vanreisling,DeS

A newbie question - do the pacers run together or are there 3 different groups at each time? Also, how do we find them?

Ultraman100

ariana` wrote: »

A newbie question - do the pacers run together or are there 3 different groups at each time? Also, how do we find them?

all 1 group of 3

ariana`

Ultraman100 wrote: »

all 1 group of 3

Thank you kind sir, very helpful

TFBubendorfer

Ultraman100 wrote: »

all 1 group of 3

That's what they USUALLY do.

A couple of years ago I ran about 50 meters behind the other 2 lads (not planned, it just played out that way), which worked very well in the second half as runners who dropped off the "first" group were just about to lose motivation when they realised they were still with a pacer and still stood a chance. A fair number of them managed to hang on.

ariana`

TFBubendorfer wrote: »

That's what they USUALLY do.

A couple of years ago I ran about 50 meters behind the other 2 lads (not planned, it just played out that way), which worked very well in the second half as runners who dropped off the "first" group were just about to lose motivation when they realised they were still with a pacer and still stood a chance. A fair number of them managed to hang on.

Sounds like a great idea. It must be very soul destroying to watch a pacer slip away from you