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The big E3 discussion thread

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    #1862
    Kimbot
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,463 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    Generic Dreadhead wrote: »
    No Jonny, "Light Points/Level" only existed in the base game AFTER you hit level 20 which could be done by sheer gameplay (similar to BL2)

    So to be clear, in September 2014, you could be Lvl20 AND Light Level 26... the removed the "Normal" leveling system (1-20) when tTK came out

    Well I didnt get it until TTK came out so unsure of what came before and my memory of the beta is sketchy at best.


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    #1863
    dudeeile
    Registered Users Posts: 2,146 ✭✭✭dudeeile


    FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »
    Destiny's campaign was woeful and established a new low in campaign mode gaming from an AAA dev studio that had a rep of making fantastic campaigns.

    Absolutely, 100%, could not agree more. The game that was expected and the game that got delivered were polar opposites. Still, people played it to death and are queuing up to play D2, why? The game just plays so goddamn well, both PvE and PvP, I haven't pre-ordered D2 and the fact that I can now play the beta without doing so is music to my ears. Will I buy D2, probably.


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    #1864
    gizmo
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    FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »
    Destiny's campaign was woeful and established a new low in campaign mode gaming from an AAA dev studio that had a rep of making fantastic campaigns.
    Playing through it myself at the moment, first time around and with the Destiny: The Collection disc, and whatever about the amount of content the original release shipped with, the lack of cohesion in the campign was what struck me from the start. After finishing the story side of The Taken King, I looked around and found this article, The Messy, True Story Behind The Making Of Destiny, sheds some light on why it's the way it is, definitely worth a read.


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    #1865
    Penn
    Registered Users Posts: 33,349 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Yeah I recently went back to Destiny to play the expansions, having not played it since about 2 months after its release (because the campaign and initial grind were beyond terrible). Really enjoyed getting back into it and enjoyed my time playing it again. The gameplay itself is just so damn good and the changes they made both with the expansions and just general stuff really improved things.

    Definitely looking forward to D2.


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    #1866
    Kimbot
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    FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »
    Destiny's campaign was woeful and established a new low in campaign mode gaming from an AAA dev studio that had a rep of making fantastic campaigns.

    No arguments from me on this, the fact they made the grimoire an out of game thing was madness. Its like the back story to alot of the stuff in the game yet you had to leave the game to view it. I am hoping that destiny 2 will have a proper story this time around and that all the nonsense that went before it is left in the past.


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    #1867
    heebusjeebus
    Registered Users Posts: 3,783 ✭✭✭heebusjeebus


    Good interview with Shuhei at E3 where he talks a small bit about the new Sucker Punch game.
    He's played it a few times over the last few years so hopefully it's close to being announced.
    He also mentions that games coming out in 2017 were detailed in the pre-show before the main media showcase.

    https://www.gamespot.com/videos/kinda-funny-talks-playstations-e3-lineup-with-shuh/2300-6439467/


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    #1868
    Retr0gamer
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    I just wish Destiny's combat mechanics were married to a more substantial campaign.
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    #1869
    jcd5971
    Registered Users Posts: 2,549 ✭✭✭jcd5971


    Retr0gamer wrote:
    So do I and your original post was a dig at me. I'm not petty enough to go nuclear about it but I think it's more than fair to call you out on it especially as it escalated something that really didn't need to be escalated.

    Pot meet kettle
    Spoiler alert










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    #1870
    Kimbot
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    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    I just wish Destiny's combat mechanics were married to a more substantial campaign.

    Which hopefully they will be in Destiny 2, we know from the original reveal there will be more of a story to it.


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    #1871
    SolvableKnave
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    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    I just wish Destiny's combat mechanics were married to a more substantial campaign.

    I don't think you'll find too many of us that disagree with this.


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    #1872
    Generic Dreadhead
    Registered Users Posts: 10,870 ✭✭✭✭Generic Dreadhead


    Titanfall 2s campaign was like half the length, but I enjoyed more than anything in recent memory.

    I'm starting the think studios making linear games should move away from the whole 16-20 hour expected length and back towards like 8-12 hours. Obviously this doesn't apply to games trying to be quasi MMORPG types. But I've noticed as I get older I want shorter, tighter experiences in my campaigns and less of the whole "heres a new mechanic, yeah use it, cool? yeah ok, dont worry about doing that again".

    Go Titanfall 2 was f**king fantastic tbf


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    #1873
    Retr0gamer
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    Generic Dreadhead wrote: »
    Titanfall 2s campaign was like half the length, but I enjoyed more than anything in recent memory.

    I'm starting the think studios making linear games should move away from the whole 16-20 hour expected length and back towards like 8-12 hours. Obviously this doesn't apply to games trying to be quasi MMORPG types. But I've noticed as I get older I want shorter, tighter experiences in my campaigns and less of the whole "heres a new mechanic, yeah use it, cool? yeah ok, dont worry about doing that again".

    Go Titanfall 2 was f**king fantastic tbf

    It's a vicious cycle. During the PS1 and 2 era you had people complaining that Japanese games were awful as they were 8 hours long. Luigis Mansion got chewed out by reviewers for being only 6 hours long. In hindsight that's the perfect length for those games. They can explore their mechanics fully while not out staying their welcome.

    Unfortunately the push today is to have long games to stop second hand sales and the move towards games as services.
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    #1874
    Generic Dreadhead
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    I feel like around PS2/Gamecube period ~30 hours was considered "good" I have a feeling my Resident Evil 4 playthrough was 30+ hours


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    #1875
    super_furry
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    I always felt that Resident Evil IV was too long. Cutting it down to 20 hours would have made it a much better game for me.


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    #1876
    Retr0gamer
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    Resi 4 is around the 14 to 16 hour mark, HLTB has it pegged around that. It feels longer as it's about twice the length of similar action games. I think Resi 4 is an exception to the rule as it got so much inventiveness that it can hold your attention for that length unlike it's follow ups. It's the Mario galaxy of third person shooters!
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    #1877
    aaronjumper
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    #1878
    Mitch Connor
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    Just leave this here.... https://twitter.com/knowsworthy/status/875391245610135552

    Some follow ups too


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    #1879
    dudeeile
    Registered Users Posts: 2,146 ✭✭✭dudeeile


    jcd5971 wrote: »
    Can see why Titanfall would speak to plebians like yourself in society but for me it lacked a certain charm, the story was too linear for me and predictable of a modern sequel really.

    As for the "hero" of the piece I found him unbelievable and quite unoriginal, where was his massive hair giant sword and angst ridden high pitched Japanese voice... Madness.

    The gunplay and mechanics where serviceable at best and I found the total lack of waifu material disappointing in the extreme.

    Also the mcguffin of the piece as a weapon was far fetched after all everyone is aware that world ending devices are always contained in a pendant which has been stolen from the corpse of our protagonists sister/mom/unrequited love.

    Graphically while speaking to a certain demographic unfamiliar with proper manga/ainme stylings, was serviceable.

    I also found the score weak. It sorely missed a power ballad to highlight the urgency and angst of our protagonist.

    Also a talking robot was very in realistic,
    Why not use a chocobo/mog/magical three eyed ancient ****e badger made of an ultra rare metal type.

    In summation this is a terrible effort.
    Nothing like Zelda best game ever made. Your welcome*





    * This post is to be read in the most demeaning condensending tone manageable whilst dripping with contempt for all humanity and in a deep sense of self loathing.

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    #1880
    Generic Dreadhead
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    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    Just leave this here.... https://twitter.com/knowsworthy/status/875391245610135552

    Some follow ups too

    But he's one of the game most senior developers, it's not about what he Says, it's about what we Think! :P


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    #1881
    Rossi IRL
    Registered Users Posts: 8,369 ✭✭✭Rossi IRL


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    Just leave this here.... https://twitter.com/knowsworthy/status/875391245610135552

    Some follow ups too

    His opinion dosnt matter.

    Only whataboutery can be counted as fact around here apparently.


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    #1882
    SolvableKnave
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    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    Just leave this here.... https://twitter.com/knowsworthy/status/875391245610135552

    Some follow ups too
    Don't care. They still did a secret deal with Sony to bork the best console ever made ever, ever. 😉


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    #1883
    Rossi IRL
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    https://twitter.com/bungie/status/875396659529752577



    Probably the best online experience i have ever had in gaming is playing Destiny with the Boards clan. Cant wait for the D2


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    #1884
    Robert ninja
    Registered Users Posts: 3,878 ✭✭✭Robert ninja


    Rossi IRL wrote: »
    Probably the best online experience i have ever had in gaming is playing Destiny with the Boards clan.

    I think that seals the deal that the quality of the game doesn't count when you're playing with friends, then.

    As for game length, I don't want them to get any shorter. But there's a difference between a game being long because of it's story campaign, cutscenes vs its actual meaningful gameplay learning curve, skill ceiling and replayability. Tekken 7's story is a few hours long and complete garbage, but I'll invest 100s of hours into it like all the previous games, probably. And I do judge games by how much meaningful, fun time I can get out of them. If I though I'd get 20 hours total out of Tekken 7 I wouldn't buy it.


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    #1885
    Kimbot
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    SolvableKnave wrote: »
    Don't care. They still did a secret deal with Sony to bork the best console ever made ever, ever. 😉

    Don't be daft, Zelda made sure the switch has that title wrapped up.


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    #1886
    Jerichoholic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,585 ✭✭✭Jerichoholic


    Am I the only one not seeing what's so blowaway about Zelda?


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    #1887
    Retr0gamer
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    Jerichoholic wrote: »
    Am I the only one not seeing what's so blowaway about Zelda?

    Yes. Evidently you've not being paying attention. If I say it's the best thing ever then you obviously think it's the best game ever.

    Unless you're Jim Sterling. He never listens to me.
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    #1888
    Rossi IRL
    Registered Users Posts: 8,369 ✭✭✭Rossi IRL


    Jerichoholic wrote: »
    Am I the only one not seeing what's so blowaway about Zelda?

    Nope i got tired of it after an hour or 2 and traded it in.


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    #1889
    Pac1Man
    Registered Users Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭Pac1Man


    Rossi IRL wrote: »
    Nope i got tired of it after an hour or 2 and traded it in.

    You never even scratched the surface.


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    #1890
    Rossi IRL
    Registered Users Posts: 8,369 ✭✭✭Rossi IRL


    Pac1Man wrote: »
    You never even scratched the surface.


    It didnt entice me to stay any longer


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    #1891
    Retr0gamer
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    With every open world game being a sea of icons telling you were to go and what to do, zelda is refreshing in that it trusts the player enough to explore it's environment and figure it out themselves. It's also nice that it constantly rewards that curiosity.

    Is it for everyone? I suppose some people like the 'taste' of avocado.
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