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The big E3 discussion thread
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Generic Dreadhead wrote: »Yeah. Good thing theres no grinding or loot to be farmed in JRPGs
In the good ones that are well designed there isn't unless you want to do optional end game content. Of course only people that have played enough of them would be able to give an informed opinion on that subject.
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Retr0gamer wrote: »In the good ones that are well designed there isn't unless you want to do optional end game content. Of course only people that have played enough of them would be able to give an informed opinion on that subject.
It was a joke.
You don't need to go full GATEKEEPER OF JRPGS on it
In the good ones that are well designed there isn't unless you want to do optional end game content.
Anyway, you're talking out your a$$ now when it suits your rhetoric.
Neither Destiny 1 nor Borderlands 2 required ANY grinding or loot farming unless it was for specific optional end game content.
You could play both games campaign linearly and not have to go spend anytime doing non-story content.
Of course only people who played enough of them would know that :rolleyes:0 -
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Generic Dreadhead wrote: »Anyway, you're talking out your a$$ now when it suits your rhetoric.
Neither Destiny 1 nor Borderlands 2 required ANY grinding or loot farming unless it was for specific optional end game content.
You could play both games campaign linearly and not have to go spend anytime doing non-story content.
Of course only people who played enough of them would know that :rolleyes:
It's a misconception I hate seeing repeated.
I've played quite a bit of Destiny and Borderlands 2 actually. Really didn't like them and the campaigns were kind of rubbish, the grinding and loot farming is the main content of the game.
I'm not saying they are bad but ive tried plenty of loot farming games since diablo 1 and they've never clicked for me. They just aren't my thing. I keep tryin to see if they will click with me.
There's a heap of rpgs made in Japan that are heavily influenced by diablo loot mechanics that do nothing for me either. There's also a misconception that western rpgs and Japanese rpgs are different beasts but both are so varied and also so similar that they're really all just under the rpg family.
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Retr0gamer wrote: »It's a misconception I hate seeing repeated.
I've played quite a bit of Destiny and Borderlands 2 actually. Really didn't like them and the campaigns were kind of rubbish, the grinding and loot farming is the main content of the game.
I'm not saying they are bad but ive tried plenty of loot farming games since diablo 1 and they've never clicked for me. They just aren't my thing. I keep tryin to see if they will click with me.
There's a heap of rpgs made in Japan that are heavily influenced by diablo loot mechanics that do nothing for me either. There's also a misconception that western rpgs and Japanese rpgs are different beasts but both are so varied and also so similar that they're really all just under the rpg family.
Retro,
Did you play Borderlands 2 on your own or with a group? On my own at the start I found the game to be a pain in the hoop but once we grouped up it was a serious laugh to play through and the grinding I found to be very light compared to destiny.
Destiny, in my opinion its the raids that make this game worthwhile. Grabbing 6 mates and having a laugh while beating bosses is one of the best gaming experiences I have ever had but its not exactly for everyone.
Diablo...... now there is a grindy game, but I still enjoy playing it
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Destiny annoyed me because loot was just for lots sake. Like what the feck are light points? I can understand getting a better sword or armour, it makes sense but destiny was just increasing arbitrary figures and it felt like it was wasting my time.
I played Borderlands 2 single player and multilayer with one friend.
I just find both to be like mmo games. They are glorified chat windows were you are playing a game in the background. Chatting with friends is always great but the actual game is pretty brain dead underneath save for the very occasional challenging raid type encounter. You can play any old cap with mates and it will be fun but it doesn't mean the game underneath is all that deep or challenging.
Again this is just me. I'd rather meet friends and multilayer in real life. I can see the appeal of these games but I also feel a lot if what they do us waste the players time with repetetive skinner box cycles which I'm not a fan of. I prefer good game design!
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Generic Dreadhead wrote: »Nooooooope...
So say: "The Campaigns were cr@p and I had no desire to repeat playing any of that content of exploring any side content" instead. Period.
Instead of trying to position it that grinding for non-neccessary loot or repeating any content (at the same difficulty or higher) is dedicated to the evil western FPS/RPG genre just because it suits your case, and you want to get up on a soap box and dictate to to others why your opinions are the only "right" thing on the Boards Gaming Forums for the 100th time a day.
Loot and Grinding form part of the gameplay loop if you want to continue playing the game after you have completed the main story campaign
In the cases of these 2 games, and others, you can still play the Campaign from level 1 -> level 20 or 30 and have a completely grind/farm free experience
Read my post next time before going on a rant. I didn't enjoy the campaigns. I don't like loot based games. And I never said thus was about western rpgs. Not all western rpgs are loot based and I enjoy those and there's plenty of Japanese games based on the diabolo loot based system that I don't enjoy.
The word you should be concentrating on is *I*. As I said these games were never for me. I can see why people like them but again I'm repeating myself.
I know it's hard to comprehend but my opinions are not absolute. I never say they are. It's flattering you hold my opinions in such high regard but take some advice: some people have different opinions to you and when they voice their opinions it isn't a direct attack on you or the thing you love. Argue your point in a civil way but don't take it personally. Video games are not serious business.
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Generic Dreadhead wrote: »The Destiny Campaign at Launch (vanilla) ended with your being able to hit Level 20 through sheer story based gameplay and the final mission had a level 16 "requirement".
Everything beyond Level 20 was "End Game" where you repeated content or opted-in to the core Loot/Grind gameplay loop in an effort to play optional side-story content (see the original Raid: Vault of Glass - No interaction with main story campaign)
The same can be said fro the run from Level 1 -> 30 in Borderlands 2
True, but the campaigns aren't that enjoyable for me. Borderlands is pretty substantial but Destiny is flat out bad. The post game is where the real game is at, the campaign is pretty much an extended tutorial. I just can't get into these types of games though but that's my problem. Really if you are playing just the campaign of these games you are missing out on the good stuff. The 'good stuff' just isn't something I enjoy.Generic Dreadhead wrote: »Nothing I said was uncivil. I just call Bulls**t when I see it.
So do I and your original post was a dig at me. I'm not petty enough to go nuclear about it but I think it's more than fair to call you out on it especially as it escalated something that really didn't need to be escalated.
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