Is an attack in Dublin imminent?

Grayson

Penny Tration wrote: »

I'm genuinely afraid it'll happen in Ireland. I'm usually quite a logical person, but I'm scared.


People can say "you have more chance of being hit by a car, don't live in fear and let them win," and whatever else, but I'm still afraid.


I had to call and text relatives and friends and immediate family to check they were safe after both attacks. A lad I chatted to on a slimming world facebook group died in the Manchester attack.

As it gets closer and closer to Ireland, I'm afraid. I won't be going to any major concerts, and I didn't renew my rugby season ticket because as illogical or irrational as it may be, it has me genuinely scared and worried, and I won't enjoy concerts or matches while I feel unsafe.

That's the thing. We're illogical animals. We think we're rational but we're not. You pointed out the fact that car accidents are more common, they are. In the US you're more likely to be killed by a toddler with a gun than a terrorist. Yet the US has invaded two countries causing the deaths of thousands of Americans, not to mention hundreds of thousands of non american civilians.

And the worst thing is that as you said, we can tell people the facts and figures and they will still ignore them. At least you're aware of it, even if it still has an effect on you.

In your defence (and mine) fear is rarely rational or reasonable. The only way to beat it is to constantly look at the facts every time fear strikes. Eventually our minds start adapting and the rational parts of our brains override the irrational parts.

the_pen_turner

unfortunitly i think it is enevitable. i cant see any reason why they wouldnt attack us


if you remove the emotion and think like your in a brainstorming session you will come up with loads of criteria they would use to find a target. like

ease of transport around the country undetected

minimal security

non armed guardai

strong ties to their enimies (us and uk etc)

strong ties to religious organisations they hate

democracy

free speech

rights for women

loads of events on with loads of peole at them

no organisation to stop these things

availability of weapons and exposives

level of fear and terror it would cause internationally



as you can see that is a small list and we rank fairly high on all those
i dont see any reason why we wouldnt be attacked.

as cold adn horrible thing it is to say i think we would mack a great target for them.

i hope im wrong thow

wakka12

the_pen_turner wrote: »

unfortunitly i think it is enevitable. i cant see any reason why they wouldnt attack us


if you remove the emotion and think like your in a brainstorming session you will come up with loads of criteria they would use to find a target. like

ease of transport around the country undetected

minimal security

non armed guardai

strong ties to their enimies (us and uk etc)

strong ties to religious organisations they hate

democracy

free speech

rights for women

loads of events on with loads of peole at them

no organisation to stop these things

availability of weapons and exposives

level of fear and terror it would cause internationally



as you can see that is a small list and we rank fairly high on all those
i dont see any reason why we wouldnt be attacked.

as cold adn horrible thing it is to say i think we would mack a great target for them.

i hope im wrong thow

yes but apart from the non armed police a huge number of cities and countries in europe and all over the world fit those exact criteria too

the_pen_turner

wakka12 wrote: »

yes but apart from the non armed police a huge number of cities and countries in europe and all over the world fit those exact criteria too

i agree 100%
i believe we are all a target.and that to dismiss it is foolish

TheFitz13

I'm kind of nervous going to Pride this year.. but it will never stop me from going!

greenflash

I cannot see any reason why Ireland would be on any terror group's priority hitlist no matter how much some citizens would like us to be. We're just not that important in the grand scheme of things.

Mountainsandh

AzcuzCoz wrote: »

My biggest fear about an attack on Irish soil is the target.
A scenario:
All-Ireland final at Croke Park.

I think if anything happens in Ireland, it would have to involve tourists/foreign people. It would draw a lot more attention internationally than a predominantly Irish event, and the martyrs want their money-worth of attention.

jackofalltrades

NIMAN wrote: »

Completely up to date.

How many people are in London? Who many died/were injured last night?

More chance of winning the Euromillions.

I think the oft repeated line showing the low statistical probability of being injured/attacked misses the complexity of the situation.

How many people were caught up in the attack?
How many people had to run for their lives?
How many people almost died or were almost stabbed?
How many people offered first aid or comforted the injured or dying?
How many people saw the police shoot people?
How many people watched any of the above happening?
How many people were watching the news knowing that there loved ones could be caught up in this?

You suddenly go from a tiny group to a much bigger one.
That's where terrorism really makes it's impact.
In the awful memories that are seared into people's consciousnesses.

Widdershins

jackofalltrades wrote: »

I think the oft repeated line showing the low statistical probability of being injured/attacked misses the complexity of the situation.

How many people were caught up in the attack?
How many people had to run for their lives?
How many people almost died or were almost stabbed?
How many people offered first aid or comforted the injured or dying?
How many people saw the police shoot people?
How many people watched any of the above happening?
How many people were watching the news knowing that there loved ones could be caught up in this?

You suddenly go from a tiny group to a much bigger one.
That's where terrorism really makes it's impact.
In the awful memories that are seared into people's consciousnesses.

And I'm almost sure those statistics the poster quoted are either skewed or well out of date.

sdanseo

maizes wrote: »

london suspect travelled from dublin on eurolines coach

Got a source for that?

NIMAN

Some reading for you

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/many-people-killed-terrorist-attacks-uk/

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/nice-attack-do-you-feel-like-youre-more-likely-than-ever-to-be-hit-by-a-terror-attack-this-is-why-a7140396.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/refugee-terrorist-chances-of-killed-one-in-3-billion-donald-trump-immigration-ban-syria-yemen-libya-a7548151.html


Interesting line from the 1st article, published yesterday.
Terrorism is becoming an increasing concern for Europe's people, with the UK's own threat level set at "severe" - but the figures show that Europe is one of the safest areas in the world for terrorist-related incidents. While there have been several large attacks in Western Europe in recent years, the number of people killed by terrorism in this region is relatively low compared to other parts of the world.

kyote00

Don't they all get free prams and swans or something

bigpink wrote: »

How are all these middle eastern and aisans getting into Ireland?

Jesus Wept

py2006 wrote: »

. He also pointed out that the name Mohammed is the fastest growing male name in Ireland. Didn't know how quite to respond to that one.

While it may not be imminent, do you believe it could happen here in the near future?

I know a few. They are all sound.

Widdershins

NIMAN wrote: »

Some reading for you

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/many-people-killed-terrorist-attacks-uk/

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/nice-attack-do-you-feel-like-youre-more-likely-than-ever-to-be-hit-by-a-terror-attack-this-is-why-a7140396.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/refugee-terrorist-chances-of-killed-one-in-3-billion-donald-trump-immigration-ban-syria-yemen-libya-a7548151.html


Interesting line from the 1st article, published yesterday.
Terrorism is becoming an increasing concern for Europe's people, with the UK's own threat level set at "severe" - but the figures show that Europe is one of the safest areas in the world for terrorist-related incidents. While there have been several large attacks in Western Europe in recent years, the number of people killed by terrorism in this region is relatively low compared to other parts of the world.

We know the numbers killed, and of course the ones not mentioned above, such as those maimed for life and the ones mentally scarred for life, but the problem is the presumption seems to be that MI5 and co. can continue to disrupt ever increasing numbers of plots, and react instantaneously to 'successful'' plots, and I do not see how that is possible. They cannot keep doing it indefinitely.
Things are changing drastically now. The focus has also just recently swung toward Britain.

Widdershins

Jesus Wept wrote: »

I know a few. They are all sound.

A number of my own friends and acquaintances as well as relatives by marriage, are Muslim.

Nobody is disputing that some Mulsims are likeable people


Of course that's exactly what the neighbours of the attackers said...so its actually meaningless.

NIMAN

It'll be a fair while before there's more Mohammed's than Jack's in Ireland.

AnGaelach

NIMAN wrote: »

It'll be a fair while before there's more Mohammed's than Jack's in Ireland.

There was a 28% increase in Muslims in Ireland between 2011 and 2016, it rose from 49,200 to 63,400 within the space of 5 years.

I daresay it shan't be that long before Mohammad is more widely used than Jack.

prinzeugen

NIMAN wrote: »

Some reading for you

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/many-people-killed-terrorist-attacks-uk/

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/nice-attack-do-you-feel-like-youre-more-likely-than-ever-to-be-hit-by-a-terror-attack-this-is-why-a7140396.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/refugee-terrorist-chances-of-killed-one-in-3-billion-donald-trump-immigration-ban-syria-yemen-libya-a7548151.html


Interesting line from the 1st article, published yesterday.
Terrorism is becoming an increasing concern for Europe's people, with the UK's own threat level set at "severe" - but the figures show that Europe is one of the safest areas in the world for terrorist-related incidents. While there have been several large attacks in Western Europe in recent years, the number of people killed by terrorism in this region is relatively low compared to other parts of the world.

Well that is stating the bloody obvious! Of course Europe is safer if you compare it to what ISIS doing in the middle east, far east and Africa.

On the other hand, you are more likely to die of hypothermia here than in Antarctica.

Did you see the footage of a Muslim attacking people that were leaving a shop in Paris with alcohol?

As I said it is the way of life they attack, not the country.

Widdershins

AnGaelach wrote: »

There was a 28% increase in Muslims in Ireland between 2011 and 2016, it rose from 49,200 to 63,400 within the space of 5 years.

I daresay it shan't be that long before Mohammad is more widely used than Jack.

And the Muslim population of England has about doubled in the past decade. Now that we are taking in refugees and migrants, a similar increase could be seen in Ireland.

Persephone kindness

I hope not that's where my stuff is! Also I love Muslims ...more than atheists there I said it :eek:

Widdershins

Persephone kindness wrote: »

I hope not that's where my stuff is! Also I love Muslims ...more than atheists there I said it :eek:

How can you love a vast amount of people you've never met? Or is it particular Muslims you do know, or just the religion itself?

Persephone kindness

Widdershins wrote: »

How can you love a vast amount of people you've never met? Or is it particular Muslims you do know, or just the religion itself?

The ones I know. I have been close friends with a few since i was a kid. And some of them are atheists now. And I love them. And I love Christians/atheists too .i was .just kidding. I love everyone.

I just want to be controversial :eek:

NIMAN

Is there a decent level of atheism in the Muslim faith as there would be in ours?

BuilderPlumber

prinzeugen wrote: »

Well that is stating the bloody obvious! Of course Europe is safer if you compare it to what ISIS doing in the middle east, far east and Africa.

On the other hand, you are more likely to die of hypothermia here than in Antarctica.

Did you see the footage of a Muslim attacking people that were leaving a shop in Paris with alcohol?

As I said it is the way of life they attack, not the country.

Sadly, these tossers do not read their Koran properly. Islam bans people who drink alcohol and kill or harm people because of it and not people who drink alcohol and don't. Sadly, ISIS tossers drink alcohol and get others who don't drink it to kill others and these nonbelieving tossers are defining Christianity (inclusive of Islam) today. A shame.

BuilderPlumber

NIMAN wrote: »

Is there a decent level of atheism in the Muslim faith as there would be in ours?

Atheist drug dealers who PRETEND to be Christians are the problem, they condemn people who drink wine and drink wine themselves, snort cocaine and extort millions from governments. Nothing against atheists but there is not one thing religious about ISIS, Al Qaeda, Taliban, Saudi Arabia or any of these other self styled Bond Villain types. They HIDE behind religion and use religion to form FASCIST dictatorships.

prinzeugen

There was an issue in a big brand shop about 10 years ago, where the pork products were well past the use by date.

Same is happening again. Ongoing with the store so can not say to much.

But basically the Muslin staff refused to handle pork products so most of it was never removed from sale.

Widdershins

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Atheist drug dealers who PRETEND to be Christians are the problem, they condemn people who drink wine and drink wine themselves, snort cocaine and extort millions from governments. Nothing against atheists but there is not one thing religious about ISIS, Al Qaeda, Taliban, Saudi Arabia or any of these other self styled Bond Villain types. They HIDE behind religion and use religion to form FASCIST dictatorships.

So what would you class as genuine religious behaviour? Only the good bits?

prinzeugen

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Sadly, these tossers do not read their Koran properly. Islam bans people who drink alcohol and kill or harm people because of it and not people who drink alcohol and don't. Sadly, ISIS tossers drink alcohol and get others who don't drink it to kill others and these nonbelieving tossers are defining Christianity (inclusive of Islam) today. A shame.

Great film about a woman that took the book too far..

https://m.youtube.com/?#/results?q=prayers%20for%20bobby&sm=1

Christian gone nuts..

BuilderPlumber

Widdershins wrote: »

So what would you class as genuine religious behaviour? Only the good bits?

Thou shalt not kill or steal. 2 things so-called Christian ISIS don't seem to know about.

Persephone kindness

NIMAN wrote: »

Is there a decent level of atheism in the Muslim faith as there would be in ours?

Yes. Also non practicing to differing levels ... But you would be saying atheism in the Irish Asian community. And they are Irish. They are totally Irish and really great amazing peeps:). They are just normal people.

And lots do drink.

They are as shocked as anyone. I promise you. And out spoken about it too. My friends are really amazing people whom I love.

People who commit violent acts ...they are not normal ...there is something not right there. To be cold or hateful you don't learn that in a book. It's in you.