Is an attack in Dublin imminent?

phill106

Syphonax wrote: »

Attack in Dublin? no. Shannon maybe, I would say the attacks in England are seen as attacks on these Islands

Here now, what did shannon do
First the russians have a nuke targeted at us, now isis is gonna make me spill my coffee!

gizmo81

Why was Sweden attacked?

Also, the guy in court here last week:

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/man-who-made-isis-threats-to-housemates-and-said-jews-should-be-beheaded-is-jailed-35775799.html

I don't think anywhere is immune at this stage and we'd be naive to believe so.

begbysback wrote: »

No chance of an incident here, can understand the fear being generated by such incidents close to us, but you have to remember, US, UK, France and Germany are targeted for precise reasons - of which Ireland does not fall under.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Why do you think the most experienced counter-terrorism force in Europe would be unable to respond exactly?

They can't catch uninsured drivers nevermind a madman with a bomb strapped to himself

The Backwards Man

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Yeah, we've only had terrorists in Ireland for 150 years, what knowhow would the Gardai have?

I think you'll find the English/British have been strutting their stuff here for a lot longer than 150 years...

BrianBoru00

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

I believe it is possible and that Gardai wouldn't be anywhere next or near capable of handling such an incident. They would be able to handle the whole aftermath but as for reacting to an ongoing incident, they don't have the know how, capabilities or resources to deal with something like happened in London last night especially if it happened abywhere other than Dublin. It would be pandemonium.



It's a completely different type terrorism and they don't have the armed capabilities to react to a mass killing (other than by explosion which is the more traditional type of terrorism that they have been dealing with)

What utter waffle. As mentioned elsewhere on the thread the gardai would be able to respond in the same way to other police forces. you suggest it wasn't pandemonium in London/ Paris / NYC on 9/11, Madrid etc. etc.


The gardai have dedicated Armed Response Units in each region who are highly trained and expert marksmen.

Yamanoto wrote: »

Because unlike most other forces in Western Europe, first responders in Ireland have received zero training in how to deal with an unfolding terrorist incident.

They'd respond alright, just not as effectively as they could. No fault of the Gardai btw - they've been calling for such training for a considerable time.

Thats just plainly not true.

LexieOnRale

LexieOnRale wrote: »

They can't catch uninsured drivers nevermind a madman with a bomb strapped to himself

Well the counter terrorism unit don't really go out on road traffic enforcement duty anyway, so luckily they just do their own job!

NIMAN

I'd nearly think some folk on Boards would love an attack in Ireland so they can use it to beat up the Gardai and the Government.

If an attack was to happen, I'm sure we wouldn't be ready for it. We are a neutral country with a tiny amount of money spent on home security compared to huge nations like the UK, Germany, France, US etc. If it happens, it happens, but I'd love to see the Government tell people they need to raise taxes to pay for extra security!

seiphil

namloc1980 wrote: »

You'll have no problem showing me evidence of German military units bombing targets in the Middle East then?

I will have no problem showing you that German troops are involved in the middle east yea.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/09/09/turk-s09.html
https://euobserver.com/foreign/131306
http://www.globalresearch.ca/germany-plans-to-expand-its-military-operations-in-the-middle-east/5410099

seiphil

JaCrispy wrote: »

Sure most of the terrorists are born in the country they are terrorising.

So you think they're still foreigners then?

Nope, they are rightly from the countries they are born in.

AnGaelach

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Why do you think the most experienced counter-terrorism force in Europe would be unable to respond exactly?

Because, unlike the IRA, ISIS don't give warnings beforehand. And it'd be fairly difficult to stop a suicide bomber with a fully extendable baton.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

bubblypop wrote: »

Well the counter terrorism unit don't really go out on road traffic enforcement duty anyway, so luckily they just do their own job!

Mmhm. Is it the counter terrorism unit that's put on posts outside embassies or the British embassators residence?

Grayson

namloc1980 wrote: »

The poster claimed German units were bombing the Middle East just looking for his/her evidence for same. Should be easy to find if it exists?

Ireland also has had peace keepers in Lebanon. Worth mentioning? Ireland is part of NATO partnership for peace and facilitates American military in Shannon. That makes us at least an enabler for military campaigns in the middle East.

We've had peacekeepers there for decades. It never made us a target. I mentioned Belgium troops there because I didn't want to omit anything.

Belgium did actually supply some F-16 to the nato mission so they are actually bombing people. I don't know off the top of my head if Germany did too.

However although that would make them a target with Al-Qaeda it wouldn't work with ISIS. Not as much anyway. ISIS are purely ideological. Their political aims, if they can be called that, shift with the ideology.

I mentioned it earlier but ISIS are more like a cult. Even Al-Qaeda fight them. That's a bit nuts. Think about it, they are so extreme that our previous benchmark for extremism thinks they are nuts. Pretty much every other Islamic group thinks they're crazy.
ISIS don't care about political aims. They care about their ideology. They care more about Germany being kind to refugees than they do about bombings in the middle east. They attack places like charlie hebdo because they dislike free speech. They attack ideas not politics.

stateofflux

I don't think its imminent but its more likely the more it happens in the UK.

I also don't believe for a second that the Irish security / military forces are currently remotely capable of dealing with any such incident effectively if it were to occur here..

The 3 terrorists were found and shot dead within 8 minutes of the attack in london yesterday. It would be more like 8 hours if it were to happen here.

gizmo81

The Commissioner here can't even find her phone. What hope would we have?

stateofflux wrote: »

I don't think its imminent but its more likely the more it happens in the UK.

I also don't believe for a second that the Irish security / military forces are currently remotely capable of dealing with any such incident effectively if it were to occur here..

The 3 terrorists were found and shot dead within 8 minutes of the attack in london yesterday. It would be more like 8 hours if it were to happen here.

pilly

NIMAN wrote:

I'd nearly think some folk on Boards would love an attack in Ireland so they can use it to beat up the Gardai and the Government.

Couldn't agree more. There's a certain cohort would love it to happen just to say I told you so.

Sick mentality.

gizmo81

I actually think it's sick to say people would wish a terrorist attack for such a reason.

The Gardai deserve criticism and as public servants should be fully open to it.

pilly wrote: »

Couldn't agree more. There's a certain cohort would love it to happen just to say I told you so.

Sick mentality.

LexieOnRale

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Mmhm. Is it the counter terrorism unit that's put on posts outside embassies or the British embassators residence?

Certain embassy & ambassadors residence yes, but it's only three, & they are high risk, so not a huge drain on resources.

arayess

ThisRegard wrote: »

Tom Clonan, another commentator who makes a living for telling us what we already know if we have any sort of common sense.

a bit of a waffler...he doesn't impart much insight in articles.
get the opinion he has a monopoly on that topic and phones in the interview.

namloc1980 wrote: »

Germany isn't bombing the middle East either.

Germany is up to it's neck in the middle east in addition foxnews ran a story on 22 german soliders who joined isis...guess they playing both sides.

namloc1980

seiphil wrote: »

I will have no problem showing you that German troops are involved in the middle east yea.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/09/09/turk-s09.html
https://euobserver.com/foreign/131306
http://www.globalresearch.ca/germany-plans-to-expand-its-military-operations-in-the-middle-east/5410099

You went from "blowing up neighbourhoods and bombing cities" to "being involved". Well done on the deflection. Good effort in fairness.

Jimoslimos

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

Are you really serious?

Perfectly serious. Unlike most of you waffling here, I live in London (and I was here for 7/7 aswell). Yeah, it was a shocking, cowardly, despicable act but I'm bemused at the level of outrage on here.

Will there be more attacks here? Probably, but I'm not overly worried long term. As I said, it's not as if these guys are terrorist masterminds. Cannon fodder which will inevitably be exhausted.

As for Dublin, perhaps but even less likely. Stop worrying about highly improbable threats and enjoy life.

Widdershins

It's not really about making a statement, they have no deal they want to broker with any government so no need to make a statement, it's about killing western infidels so yes they could conceivably do so in Dublin.

Penny Tration

I'm genuinely afraid it'll happen in Ireland. I'm usually quite a logical person, but I'm scared.


People can say "you have more chance of being hit by a car, don't live in fear and let them win," and whatever else, but I'm still afraid.


I had to call and text relatives and friends and immediate family to check they were safe after both attacks. A lad I chatted to on a slimming world facebook group died in the Manchester attack.

As it gets closer and closer to Ireland, I'm afraid. I won't be going to any major concerts, and I didn't renew my rugby season ticket because as illogical or irrational as it may be, it has me genuinely scared and worried, and I won't enjoy concerts or matches while I feel unsafe.

sabat

It's just a fad- like plane hijackings were in the 70s. I reckon by 2020 the number of attacks around Europe will have dwindled to 1 or 2 a year.

Biggest lickspittle on boardz

sabat wrote: »

It's just a fad- like plane hijackings were in the 70s. I reckon by 2020 the number of attacks around Europe will have dwindled to 1 or 2 a year.

Oh yeah, it's a fad. Just like the macarena, Kony 2012, and fidget spinners. :rolleyes:

The reason plane hijackings decreased is because airlines started to take security extremely seriously, and started to liaise closely with experts to minimise weaknesses and vulnerabilites. Not because it was a 'fad'.

If anything, these attacks are going to get more regular. Although thankfully, the availability of firearms is decreasing somewhat. But people intent on causing murder and mayhem will always find new ways.

bilbot79

py2006 wrote: »

...do you think?

I know an attack here wouldn't make the same kind of world wide statement as an attack on Britain or America has (or would it?) for these kind of people. But do you think in light of what is happening at stones throw away in England it could stretch over here? We are white westerners too after all.

I think we'd be an easy target as the Gardai wouldn't be able to respond to a situation of that level compared other nations. I always thought that if they wanted to, they could probably easily take a plane from Dublin airport and slam it into London or here.

Had a conversation in work on Fri and this guy reckoned he'd think twice now about going to Croker or the Aviva and more weary when walking through the inner city. He also pointed out that the name Mohammed is the fastest growing male name in Ireland. Didn't know how quite to respond to that one.

While it may not be imminent, do you believe it could happen here in the near future?

I think it would be a bad idea for isis to attack us. We're more useful as a territory next to the enemy, maybe because of the only land border with uk. If we are attacked we would tighten up.

NIMAN

Penny Tration wrote: »

I'm genuinely afraid it'll happen in Ireland. I'm usually quite a logical person, but I'm scared.


People can say "you have more chance of being hit by a car, don't live in fear and let them win," and whatever else, but I'm still afraid.


I had to call and text relatives and friends and immediate family to check they were safe after both attacks. A lad I chatted to on a slimming world facebook group died in the Manchester attack.

As it gets closer and closer to Ireland, I'm afraid. I won't be going to any major concerts, and I didn't renew my rugby season ticket because as illogical or irrational as it may be, it has me genuinely scared and worried, and I won't enjoy concerts or matches while I feel unsafe.

Your fear is irrational I'm afraid.
The fact that you happened to chat to someone who died is just coincidence, nothing more.

You aren't going to any more concerts, you aren't going to any sporting events? You'll soon be living under the stairs if this is how you feel.

What people are saying is true. You still have more chance of winning the lottery than being killed by a terrorist in Europe. Thats the facts, whether you want to believe it or not. Even if you were at the Manchester concert two weeks ago, the chances of you getting killed or injured was 0.35%. I know many will say "tell that to those who died or got injured" but it shows that even being at the event you statistically had a very low chance of being unlucky enough to be killed or hurt. So think then how small the numbers get when you are just generally out and about at a random concert or sporting event?

Miniscule.

wakka12

Terrorism can happen anywhere. Who would have thought that one of the worlds worst terrorist attacks would occur on a little island outside sleepy little oslo norway?

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

Jimoslimos wrote: »

Perfectly serious. Unlike most of you waffling here, I live in London (and I was here for 7/7 aswell). Yeah, it was a shocking, cowardly, despicable act but I'm bemused at the level of outrage on here.

Will there be more attacks here? Probably, but I'm not overly worried long term. As I said, it's not as if these guys are terrorist masterminds. Cannon fodder which will inevitably be exhausted.

As for Dublin, perhaps but even less likely. Stop worrying about highly improbable threats and enjoy life.

Well what you said is plain silly. You equated the 2005 bombings as being more coordinated than the current attacks as proof that terrorism isn't really a big deal. I don't follow that logic at all.

I think you're extremely naive to think that these guys are 'Cannon fodder which will inevitably be exhausted'. There is not one shred of evidence to suggest they are running low on man power. On the other hand, there is an abundance of evidence to suggest that Islamic terrorism is a major problem that will cost many lives across many countries. Islamic terrorism in this form was essentially non existent only two decades ago.

Of course life will go on regardless. There is literally no other option.

But if these guys ever reach a level of capability that the IRA possessed it could mean dark times are ahead. On the other hand, everything might work out just fine and there won't be another terrorist action done in the name of ISIS.

Time will tell.

Yamanoto

BrianBoru00 wrote: »

Thats just plainly not true.

So why have Garda representative bodies being banging the drum about rank & file members receiving no specialist training?

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/rank-and-file-garda%C3%AD-want-specialist-anti-terror-training-1.3060847

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/stockholmstyle-terrorist-attack-could-happen-here-garda-conference-hears-35652556.html

maizes

london suspect travelled from dublin on eurolines coach