Is an attack in Dublin imminent?

_Brian

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

I don't think we have the same level of ghettos or squallor typical in some British, French and German cities, so the amount of homegrown disaffection might well be a good bit lower than in other European countries.

Instead we have a drug problem and the crime and murders that come with that, but that isn't​ called terrorism. Then again we do have the last dead-enders in the Continuity and Real IRA (or whatever they call themselves nowadays), but then again they are also tied up in the drugs trade either directly or at arms length.

I think this post gets right to the heart of what is being seen.

The likes of France and the U.K. Have a horrific colonial past, many of their citizens involved in these problems are citizens through the colonial past.
But rather than being treated as equals they are hoarded into slums, poorly treated, excluded from education and employment. These are the breeding grounds for radicalisation.
It's not impossible that something will happen here, I feel it's unlikely.

please helpThank YOU

Shannon Airport is number one Targat in Ireland not Dublin.

harry Bailey esq

please helpThank YOU wrote: »

Shannon Airport is number one Targat in Ireland not Dublin.

That suits me.

Irish Guitarist

With American planes refueling at Shannon airport Ireland could be seen as an ally of America. I'd say there will be an attack here in the next few years.

'Terrorist attacks' don't really have the same meaning as they once did either. Someone doesn't have to organise a big group of people to hijack a plane anymore. They can just decide to hop in their car and mow down a load of people.

Persephone kindness

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

That suits me.

It's not funny. There could very well be one here at some point.

wakka12

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

With American planes refueling at Shannon airport Ireland could be seen as an ally of America. I'd say there will be an attack here in the next few years.

'Terrorist attacks' don't really have the same meaning as they once did either. Someone doesn't have to organise a big group of people to hijack a plane anymore. They can just decide to hop in their car and mow down a load of people.

America has several bases in dozens of countries all over the planet, the shannon airport thing does not necessarily show a very strong support for americans from us and is definitely not something that would make terrorists want to target ireland specifically

prinzeugen

_Brian wrote: »

But rather than being treated as equals they are hoarded into slums, poorly treated, excluded from education and employment. These are the breeding grounds for radicalisation.

Rubbish. They are not hoarded into slums. The majority choose or feel they have to live in a area because of family, arranged marriage, pressure from parents etc.

They all have the same rights to employment and education as any other citizen and are not being excluded but plenty refuse to take up opportunities for religious or family reasons.

Plenty refuse to integrate with other cultures and that is why you see large, concentrated populations in places like Bradford etc.

And it has piss all to do with a countries colonial past. It is almost like you are saying it is OK for these people to murder people now for **** that happened 200 years ago.

Some of them don't like western societies, refuse to integrate even although they have lived/were born in one and want to destroy it.

Richard Hillman

With the focus aimed on Ireland, as the net closes, a cell may act before being picked up.

prinzeugen

please helpThank YOU wrote: »

Shannon Airport is number one Targat in Ireland not Dublin.

Bollox. Its western life and non believers they are murdering.

Nothing to do with military. They kill former friends and neighbours in Syria etc if they cannot recite the correct version Koran.

NIMAN

prinzeugen wrote: »

Bollox. Its western life and non believers they are murdering.

Nothing to do with military. They kill former friends and neighbours in Syria etc if they cannot recite the correct version Koran.

Agreed. They wouldn't have the balls to attack the military, except if they can find an off duty guy walking down the street like Lee Rigby.

Its easier for them to attack women and children. Cowards. If there was ever an attack in Ireland, it would more than likely be a van driven down a busy shopping street than Shannon Airport.

harry Bailey esq

Persephone kindness wrote: »

It's not funny. There could very well be one here at some point.

I'm well aware of that,I posted just a while ago in a different thread that Ireland isn't immune to threat so no need to get the knickers in a knot,but if hysteria is our best defence we're snookered. It doesn't get a thought in my head when I go about my day. Statistically, getting injured in a major international headline grabbing terrorist atrocity is less likely than being hit by a bus whilst clutching a winning lotto ticket. Chill out man,bad sh:t happens,it's part of life.

Wibbs

McGiver wrote: »

Separation of the Church and state is a modern concept.

Actually it was most certainly on the table and argued back and forth from the earliest days of the Roman Church and that continued up to and beyond the Reformation. Name me another faith where the secular and clerical factions were at such shifting sands odds and for so long and where such a clear division existed. This included the law. From the first centuries of official Christendom there were two avenues of legal thought; the Church and the Ruling courts. Much of the evolution of political and cultural Europe is based on this push/pull between the two.

Christianity was Semitic in the very beginning but then underwent Hellenisation and Romania tionde therefore it is quite different than Islam.

Which I would consider a very good thing. Judaism also absorbed much of the Greco-Roman influence after the colonisation and subsequent sack of Israel and dispersal of its adherents throughout the classical spheres of influence. Islam avoided most of that. Not such a good thing IMH and we're living with the extreme of that today.

please helpThank YOU

NIMAN wrote: »

Agreed. They wouldn't have the balls to attack the military, except if they can find an off duty guy walking down the street like Lee Rigby.

Its easier for them to attack women and children. Cowards. If there was ever an attack in Ireland, it would more than likely be a van driven down a busy shopping street than Shannon Airport.

Shannon airport is 100 per cent the number Target in Ireland not Dublin.

pangbang

_Brian wrote: »

I think this post gets right to the heart of what is being seen.

The likes of France and the U.K. Have a horrific colonial past, many of their citizens involved in these problems are citizens through the colonial past.
But rather than being treated as equals they are hoarded into slums, poorly treated, excluded from education and employment. These are the breeding grounds for radicalisation.
It's not impossible that something will happen here, I feel it's unlikely.

Absolutely right. And we will be fast on their heels when it comes to forming ghettoes and the like. It wont be anything to do with being treated unequally, it will be inequality of wealth. Chicken and egg syndrome.

You can see the beginnings in quite a few places around Dublin (and some places outside it too)

Fact of the matter, as far as I'm aware, there isn't a single success of indigenous/non-indigenous integration. One always loses, whether its the American Indians in USA, or Albanians in France

Mountainsandh

please helpThank YOU wrote: »

Shannon airport is 100 per cent the number Target in Ireland not Dublin.

Ah jayyysus stop being cryptic and if you have a more convincing point than just the planes refuelling then just say it.

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The cryptic one-liners are just so annoying.

prinzeugen

please helpThank YOU wrote: »

Shannon airport is 100 per cent the number Target in Ireland not Dublin.

Why?? Because the USAF use it to refuel?

When was the last time you heard of the Manchester Arena or London Bridge being used as a runway for military aircraft?

Dublin will get hit long before Shannon. You are very naive if you think otherwise.

Mountainsandh

pangbang wrote: »

Fact of the matter, as far as I'm aware, there isn't a single success of indigenous/non-indigenous integration. One always loses, whether its the American Indians in USA, or Albanians in France

Not sure I understand what you mean... ?
In France Italians are a real smooth example of integration, the Portuguese had/have a tougher time with some slagging, but they're very well integrated too. I'm not aware of any ghettos involving the two nationalities above for example, they just seem to blend in wherever. They still have pride in their origins and still speak their languages at home sometimes. The Italians may have come with higher levels of education so maybe it was easier for them, but the Portuguese just demonstrated this sheer determination to work and act honourably.

Weren't the Normans and Irish an example of integration too ?

pangbang

Mountainsandh wrote: »

Not sure I understand what you mean... ?
In France Italians are a real smooth example of integration, the Portuguese had/have a tougher time with some slagging, but they're very well integrated too. I'm not aware of any ghettos involving the two nationalities above for example, they just seem to blend in wherever. They still have pride in their origins and still speak their languages at home sometimes. The Italians may have come with higher levels of education so maybe it was easier for them, but the Portuguese just demonstrated this sheer determination to work and act honourably.

Weren't the Normans and Irish an example of integration too ?

Well I suppose geographic distance equals cultural difference, so the further a population moves from its origin, the more hostile the "integration" becomes.

Italians aren't so far from French in many terms. Syrians are pretty damn far from irish.

And don't forget, the French and Italians and germans and all had a bit of a falling out a few times before becoming (fairweather?) friends. Almost ended the world a couple of times :P

please helpThank YOU

prinzeugen wrote: »

Why?? Because the USAF use it to refuel?

When was the last time you heard of the Manchester Arena or London Bridge being used as a runway for military aircraft?

Dublin will get hit long before Shannon. You are very naive if you think otherwise.

Why would the want to hit Dublin first and not Shannon airport?.

Mountainsandh

pangbang wrote: »

Well I suppose geographic distance equals cultural difference, so the further a population moves from its origin, the more hostile the "integration" becomes.

Italians aren't so far from French in many terms. Syrians are pretty damn far from irish.

And don't forget, the French and Italians and germans and all had a bit of a falling out a few times before becoming (fairweather?) friends. Almost ended the world a couple of times :P

True, I'm just thinking of my and the previous generation I suppose. I'm 44. The parents of kids of Italian and Portuguese origins in my class in Primary school were already well blended in, the kids of my generation are super well blended in, and I presume their children are just French with some-such blood from ... at this stage.
But yeah, a lot closer geographically and culturally.

NIMAN

please helpThank YOU wrote: »

Why would the want to hit Dublin first and not Shannon airport?.

More people to hurt, easier access, less security?

Jim Bob Scratcher

Should anything happen I hope our pudgy Gardai will be able to keep all us citizens safe.

dodderangler

I've had this conversation a lot this week in pub and with mates. Every person I talked to said they'd go fight back straight away. Seems we're a very proud country and will protect it at all costs.

please helpThank YOU

NIMAN wrote: »

More people to hurt, easier access, less security?

Security Shannon? Very poor.

NIMAN

please helpThank YOU wrote: »

Security Shannon? Very poor.

Obviously if Clare Daly and Mick Wallace were able to get their arses on to the runway.

But would it be better than Grafton Street?

please helpThank YOU

NIMAN wrote: »

Obviously if Clare Daly and Mick Wallace were able to get their arses on to the runway.

But would it be better than Grafton Street?

Mick Wallace & Clare Daly got into Shannon airport there you go .but Mick got them `caught the security spotted Mick Wallace:cool:` bright pink t-shirt.

JCX BXC

please helpThank YOU wrote: »

Security Shannon? Very poor.

That is an extremely serious remark to make, and I can infact ensure you that Shannon has the most rigourous security of all airfields in the country. Security in terminal conforms with both EASA and FAA standards, something which is not matched by any airport across Europe.

What evidence do you have to back this assertion up? More completely unjustified remarks from you, bordering on the inflammatory.

And in regards the two wannabe hippy politicians, anyone can get a rope and cross a fence, or cut a hole in the fence as others have done, it's how far you get after crossing it that counts, and this distance has never been far.

please helpThank YOU

JCX BXC wrote: »

That is an extremely serious remark to make, and I can infact ensure you that Shannon has the most rigourous security of all airfields in the country. Security in terminal conforms with both EASA and FAA standards, something which is not matched by any airport across Europe.

What evidence do you have to back this assertion up? More completely unjustified remarks from you, bordering on the inflammatory.

And in regards the two wannabe hippy politicians, anyone can get a rope and cross a fence, or cut a hole in the fence as others have done, it's how far you get after crossing it that counts, and this distance has never been far.

Say that to Mick Wallace & Clare DALY & And the five anti war protester who damaged a us military war plane at Shannon airport in 2003?.

511

_Brian wrote: »

they are hoarded into slums,

Now, Brian, if a family from Algeria, where the average monthly salary is $290, turns up in Ireland, do you honestly believe they can afford their own home for their 4 kids or whatever?

Muslim migrants from poor countries turn up in Europe and ask for a council house near a mosque or near relatives, leading to the Muslim ghettos that plague Europe today.

It's a disgrace that this even happens. No immigrant should be allowed into the country without a job lined up or enough money to pay for accommodation. giving immigrants welfare and social housing is whats causing these slums and people like you need to realise that. Furthermore, handing out welfare just like that only encourages laziness and the migrants become welfare defendant.

Our politicians are more than happy to allow this because they providing cheap labour for the businessmen friends.

poorly treated, excluded from education and employment.

This isn't true at all.

These are the breeding grounds for radicalisation.

Created by people who think importing poor and uneducated Muslim immigrants is acceptable. America doesn't allow it and they've gotten off lightly since 9/11. If America shared a land-border or land-route with the Islamic world, Donald Trump's wall would have probably been called George Bush's wall and it would have cleanly won him the 2000 election over Gore if he proposed it during his campaign. America's Muslim immigrants are of a much better class than what we allowed into Europe and we continue to do it.

JCX BXC

please helpThank YOU wrote: »

Say that to Mick Wallace & Clare DALY & And the five anti war protester who damaged a us military war plane at Shannon airport in 2003?.

How about you read my point and process it? Anyone can get a ladder and climb a fence, or get some widely available clippers and clip the fence. How do you prevent that? 20ft high stone walls? An electric fence?

Trespassers are apprehended extremely swiftly if they breach the protected areas. Have you any evidence that says otherwise?

Extremely dangerous remark to make, doubting the security protocols of a highly secure area without knowing the slightest about the operation.