Why are our Gardai "soft" looking?

Northerngal

Persephone kindness wrote: »

Real strength is not thuggery. And thuggery or hardness undermines authority. Studies show it makes people sympathize with criminals as the underdog.

The more brutish authority is the less people want to identify with it and the less they respect or recognize it's legitimacy. Even if it's not justified.



After the civil war people didn't trust the state so instead of a 'HARD' police force. They gave us 'guardians of the peace'. I prefer it.

I'd go as far as saying we need more "soft looking" gardai and more woman too their better communicaters both verbally and threw body language and can difuse most situation without slapping the head off them.

I've been arrested load's of times(I'm not a criminal) because of drink beatings only made worse.

Bodycams are needed yesterday so members of Gardai are above reproach!

mynamejeff

Northerngal wrote: »

I'd go as far as saying we need more "soft looking" gardai and more woman too their better communicaters both verbally and threw body language and can difuse most situation without slapping the head off them.

I've been arrested load's of times(I'm not a criminal) because of drink beatings only made worse.

Bodycams are needed yesterday so members of Gardai are above reproach!

youve been arrested loads of times and want softer gardai ???

Persephone kindness

Actually a friend of mine was a female guard. She switched career though and now works for the Dept of Social protection. But she actually said talking to people 99% of the time diffused the situation. But that interaction still requires training. They are trained to be very personable and talk to lots of different types of people. Remember they are also working with victims and people reporting crime.

I have never been arrested in my life never. I pretty much know a couple socially and when i go to get my passport renewed or report something. (Which i have only ever had to do twice in my life). Other than that i have never really had any interaction with guards.

Northerngal

mynamejeff wrote: »

youve been arrested loads of times and want softer gardai ???

Yes softer in afar as not beating someone up that's why bodycams are needed yesterday.

I've no problem saying I've been arrested/locked in cell/held for court, beat black and blue before being put in cells there's no cam's in station corridors.

mynamejeff

Northerngal wrote: »

Yes softer in afar as not beating someone up that's why bodycams are needed yesterday.

I've no problem saying I've been arrested/locked in cell/held for court, beat black and blue before being put in cells there's no cam's in station corridors.

actually these days most of the bigger stations do have cameras and sound recorders fitted all over

Banjoxed

Tombo2001 wrote: »

why do I read after hours.......its like the Daily Mail for 9 year olds.....

Read AH in an accent that adds "roysh" to every sentence. It'll make sense then.

Northerngal

mynamejeff wrote: »

actually these days most of the bigger stations do have cameras and sound recorders fitted all over

Ah you know yourself what goes on in stations up and down the country don't be obtuse and dosnt nagate the fact it still goes on, Gardai should conduct themselves above reproach that's why bodycams are need along
with better cars
Proper stab vest(not UK rejects)
Etc etc etc.

mynamejeff

Northerngal wrote: »

Ah you know yourself what goes on in stations up and down the country don't be obtuse and dosnt nagate the fact it still goes on, Gardai should conduct themselves above reproach that's why bodycams are need along
with better cars
Proper stab vest(not UK rejects)
Etc etc etc.

and proper jail terms for criminals who get repeatedly arrested ??

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Persephone kindness wrote: »

After the civil war people didn't trust the state

After all the shenanigans of recent years, a lot of people trust them even less now. Where does that leave things ?

Northerngal

mynamejeff wrote: »

and proper jail terms for criminals who get repeatedly arrested ??

No, one offence can lead to loads of charges really depends if the guards likes you or not (I've never been to jail it's cost me a pretty penny thank god I wouldn't have a job if I did)but criminal colleges sorry ment jails are busting at the seams they love it sure its free bed ,food and the big fish control their organisations within our jails while staying alive!

Do you believe someone who had a drink problem because it's the norm in Ireland should be locked up in jail because they've been arrested more than 5 times or any person arrested 5 times for stupid reasons?

Hear's another one your address has a big part in how certain members might treat you!

mynamejeff

Northerngal wrote: »

No, one offence can lead to loads of charges really depends if the guards likes you or not (I've never been to jail it's cost me a pretty penny thank god I wouldn't have a job if I did)but criminal colleges sorry ment jails are busting at the seams they love it sure its free bed ,food and the big fish control their organisations within our jails while staying alive!

Do you believe someone who had a drink problem because it's the norm in Ireland should be locked up in jail because they've been arrested more than 5 times or any person arrested 5 times for stupid reasons?

Hear's another one your address has a big part in how certain members might treat you!

its really hard to have that conversation without knowing all the facts tbh

lots of people have like a drink and or have drink problems but never get arrested.

i think the whole "the gardas dont like me coz im from xy or z " attitude is lazy .

its a persons attitude when dealing with gardai or any police man that makes the difference and of course prior interactions. say lke the previous 4 times that person got arrested

Northerngal

mynamejeff wrote: »

its really hard to have that conversation without knowing all the facts tbh

lots of people have like a drink and or have drink problems but never get arrested.

i think the whole "the gardas dont like me coz im from xy or z " attitude is lazy .

its a persons attitude when dealing with gardai or any police man that makes the difference and of course prior interactions. say lke the previous 4 times that person got arrested

So been arrested afew times means your a criminal? I've been fined 600 for a joint FFS my friend done an hour in holding cells in the jail for the a bigger fine for weed he dosnt have a job!
(slightly wrong for privacy)

Example 1 checkpoint! G=guards P=person.
G, hello sir, licence please
P, hello guard, here you go;( licence has city centre address nice area)
G, thank you kindly sir have a nice day evening.

Example 2
G, hello sir, licence please.
P, I don't have it on me guard, I'll happily produce it at a station within ten days!
G, That's no probem sir , name, address and DOB please!
P, joe bloggs, 1 very rough area dublin, DOB 11,6,1805
G, GET OUT OF THE CAR NOW IM SEARCHING THIS CAR UNDER SECTION 23 OF THE MISUSE OF DRUGS ACT of 1649 and calls for back up!
G,You've connections to x y z.
P, I went to school with x, y lives next door and I don't know Z.

Nothing found and am aloud go home.

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Northerngal wrote: »

So been arrested afew times means your a criminal? I've been fined 600 for a joint FFS my friend done an hour in holding cells in the jail for the a bigger fine for weed he dosnt have a job!
(slightly wrong for privacy)

Example 1 checkpoint! G=guards P=person.
G, hello sir, licence please
P, hello guard, here you go;( licence has city centre address nice area)
G, thank you kindly sir have a nice day evening.

Example 2
G, hello sir, licence please.
P, I don't have it on me guard, I'll happily produce it at a station within ten days!
G, That's no probem sir , name, address and DOB please!
P, joe bloggs, 1 very rough area dublin, DOB 11,6,1805
G, GET OUT OF THE CAR NOW IM SEARCHING THIS CAR UNDER SECTION 23 OF THE MISUSE OF DRUGS ACT of 1649 and calls for back up!
G,You've connections to x y z.
P, I went to school with x, y lives next door and I don't know Z.

Nothing found and am aloud go home.

Same as in court, always try some whinging / crying excuse. Fooling nobody but themselves.

mynamejeff

Northerngal wrote: »

So been arrested afew times means your a criminal? I've been fined 600 for a joint FFS my friend done an hour in holding cells in the jail for the a bigger fine for weed he dosnt have a job!
(slightly wrong for privacy)

Example 1 checkpoint! G=guards P=person.
G, hello sir, licence please
P, hello guard, here you go;( licence has city centre address nice area)
G, thank you kindly sir have a nice day evening.

Example 2
G, hello sir, licence please.
P, I don't have it on me guard, I'll happily produce it at a station within ten days!
G, That's no probem sir , name, address and DOB please!
P, joe bloggs, 1 very rough area dublin, DOB 11,6,1805
G, GET OUT OF THE CAR NOW IM SEARCHING THIS CAR UNDER SECTION 23 OF THE MISUSE OF DRUGS ACT of 1649 and calls for back up!
G,You've connections to x y z.
P, I went to school with x, y lives next door and I don't know Z.

Nothing found and am aloud go home.

sounds like its drink drugs and the company you keep rather than ingrained classicism and systemic prejudices that lead to your negative interactions with police.
And i m sorry to tell you that yes having criminal convictions ie public order drugs etc etc makes that persons a criminal. that is the way the criminal justice system works

and not liking the laws dont mean you dont have to abide by them

you know gardai come from all sorts of areas and backgrounds
i know one garda from sheriff street and played sports with a guy from moyross . theres chinese/irish and polish/irish gardai too


Also are you really aggrieved that you got searched for drugs having previously been caught with drugs ?

Nika Bolokov

Johnny Jukebox wrote: »

I saw the guards in action at the H-Block riots in Ballsbridge in 1981. They took on some of the most hardened rioters from the North and battered them back into the city.

Ah yeah but that was back in the day when guards were guards.

Hard men recruited from the side of a rocky mountain in Mayo or from a roadside in Tipperary after carrying a herd of cattle to the mart.

Hulks of men built like tanks , If I remember from the TV footage one of them with no riot gear charged the hole crowd ended up in the middle of it all on his own and started battering all comers left right and centre.

The expression 'looks like a guard' used to be a thing....

You still see the odd hardy looking one but a mountain man with wild moustache who would batter 30 men up and down a street is a rare sight now.

pangbang

Because most of the ones around them are soft too, as exemplified here....

uptherebels

group of state police from the US marching in the patricks day parade in cork last year. To a man each one was in great shape and the guys that weren't tall were as wide as a door. Even the guys that looked like they were pushing retirement. Don't think i could have taken any of them, compare this to the guards here where I think i would struggle with maybe 1 in 10.

Police in greece in the area i was in, patroled in groups of 6, doubled up on motorbikes not one jelly belly between them. Saw them intervene in fights a few times, swift use of a frenzy of baton blows and the scuts dragged away in cuffs, no struggle with not being able to use force the restrain a trouble maker.

Same in spain, you cross the line and it was a hail of batons and away with you.

Here we have equality and hence lower standards. Poor equipment and uniforms.
Poor morale due to the bad leadership from senior guards and government

And segments of the population that scream murder when the police do get tough.Tough policing is tough policing for everybody not just the other people.

Northerngal

mynamejeff wrote: »

sounds like its drink drugs and the company you keep rather than ingrained classicism and systemic prejudices that lead to your negative interactions with police.
And i m sorry to tell you that yes having criminal convictions ie public order drugs etc etc makes that persons a criminal. that is the way the criminal justice system works

and not liking the laws dont mean you dont have to abide by them

you know gardai come from all sorts of areas and backgrounds
i know one garda from sheriff street and played sports with a guy from moyross . theres chinese/irish and polish/irish gardai too


Also are you really aggrieved that you got searched for drugs having previously been caught with drugs ?

First off
Can I as a minor choose where I live?Choose who i go to school with?Or who my parents live beside?

I'll disagree, I've had plenty of good Garda interaction with UNIFORM/SDU/ERU especially from the gardai who "look soft" and can use their voice, difuse a situation rather than beating people up.

Our justice system needs a SERIOUS overhaul and gardai, both are outdated and need to be modernization urgently, minor convictions like public order, possession of drugs for own use(. Ireland is flooded with illegal drugs and you know it, it's worse than any time before!
So nothing has worked or will.

Is there a difference between a person with two convictions or over a hundred? Labels aren't good especially conviction labels, why try change or be a productive member of society?

Also I've no problem being searched, if I've something on me I shouldn't have, I'm gone like usain bolt! I also fully accept my punishment/s for doing wrong by the justice system(the courts) not rough/tough by members of AGS.

I used the drink because we as Irish people sympathize with drinkers a bit but illegal drugs a big NO NO.

How's bar??

mynamejeff

Your a minor who chooses to be out drinking and drugging has been arrested more than 5 times and already has two convictions . And you blame your parents for who you hang out with ? Really ? You've had many interactions with sdu and eru ?

Labels are a consequence of your actions I'm afraid . Aw you'll figure that out yourself some day
Let me guess you don't like the drug squad ? Lol caz they take your and your friends stuff ? Think you might have a lot more problems than you should be discussing here. In fact I'm not sure you know exactly what it is you are talking about .
What's bar btw ?

Northerngal

mynamejeff wrote: »

Your a minor who chooses to be out drinking and drugging has been arrested more than 5 times and already has two convictions . And you blame your parents for who you hang out with ? Really ? You've had many interactions with sdu and eru ?

Let me guess you don't like the drug squad ? Lol caz they take your and your friends stuff ? Think you might have a lot more problems than you should be discussing here. In fact I'm not sure you know exactly what it is you are talking about .
What's bar btw ?

Ah come on, I was expecting better than that! I see nothing wrong in being honest and accepting when I'm wrong or have done wrong.

Would you believe no the drug squad "aren't the worst"(nice gardai phrase there) and have put my personal hash/weed back in to my pocket and told go home Rodger!.
Also DS dont need/want sh!t paper work for a gram or 3 for personal use, they want big quantities of pharma, coke, heroine. I certainly know what I'm on about, put forth any question you like!

It was interesting while it lasted!

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Northerngal wrote: »

First off
Can I as a minor choose where I live?Choose who i go to school with?Or who my parents live beside?

I'll disagree, I've had plenty of good Garda interaction with UNIFORM/SDU/ERU especially from the gardai who "look soft" and can use their voice, difuse a situation rather than beating people up.

Our justice system needs a SERIOUS overhaul and gardai, both are outdated and need to be modernization urgently, minor convictions like public order, possession of drugs for own use(. Ireland is flooded with illegal drugs and you know it, it's worse than any time before!
So nothing has worked or will.

Is there a difference between a person with two convictions or over a hundred? Labels aren't good especially conviction labels, why try change or be a productive member of society?

Also I've no problem being searched, if I've something on me I shouldn't have, I'm gone like usain bolt! I also fully accept my punishment/s for doing wrong by the justice system(the courts) not rough/tough by members of AGS.

I used the drink because we as Irish people sympathize with drinkers a bit but illegal drugs a big NO NO.

How's bar??

Take some responsibility for yourself, no you can't control where you live but you have a choice over who you call friends, how you behave and right from wrong. Once you're over the age of 7, there's no excuse for you to behave in a way that affects society.

A conviction is a conviction, just because you haven't racked up 100 doesn't mean you have a clean record. Want to be a productive member of society? Great, don't act like a little sh1t that has too much time on their hands. Go to school, lay off the drink and drugs, and lay down the foundations to having a good life going forward.

The only overhaul our justice system needs is to support the Gardai more, and to show less sympathy to the troublemakers and more sympathy to the victims of their lifestyle choices.

Northerngal

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Take some responsibility for yourself, no you can't control where you live but you have a choice over who you call friends, how you behave and right from wrong. Once you're over the age of 7, there's no excuse for you to behave in a way that affects society.

A conviction is a conviction, just because you haven't racked up 100 doesn't mean you have a clean record. Want to be a productive member of society? Great, don't act like a little sh1t that has too much time on their hands. Go to school, lay off the drink and drugs, and lay down the foundations to having a good life going forward.

The only overhaul our justice system needs is to support the Gardai more, and to show less sympathy to the troublemakers and more sympathy to the victims of their lifestyle choices.

I'm human I'll always do wrong, in someones eyes

How can we support a force who's corrupt to the core?? Beating people, applying charge sheets for sh!ts and giggles and everything else that has came out?

A conviction is not a conviction!So sexual assault is the same as drunk and disorderly?Drink driving is the same as possession of a gram of weed for your own personal use?

The justice system and AGS need urgent mordization, laws and practices, Ireland is awash with illegal drugs, illegal guns, etc etc our prisons are criminal college's.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Northerngal wrote: »

I'm human I'll always do wrong, in someones eyes

How can we support a force who's corrupt to the core?? Beating people, applying charge sheets for sh!ts and giggles and everything else that has came out?

A conviction is not a conviction!So sexual assault is the same as drunk and disorderly?Drink driving is the same as possession of a gram of weed for your own personal use?

The justice system and AGS need urgent mordization, laws and practices, Ireland is awash with illegal drugs, illegal guns, etc etc our prisons are criminal college's.

There's plenty of guards going to work for **** pay, long hours, and for what? So they can arrest someone who knows more about the law than their solicitor? Demanding their free legal aid solicitor, dr and sometimes interpreter. They'll be given all that too. Probably overtime for the guard if he/she has to question them and it runs over their shift. It'll get to court and be ajourned a few times no doubt, and then for the person to get a slap on the wrist or get off completely? How demoralising must that be. Trying to do your job, then wondering why you'd bother when it's all for nothing.

You're talking about gardai beating people. What about the gardai who get spat at, swung at, assaulted, threathened, their family threathened? If you didn't come to the attention of the cops you wouldn't have to worry how corrupt they are. I don't condone someone being beaten but let's be honest if they have you in custody there's a fairly good chance you're not a model citizen. Why do people expect to e treated with respect when they show little to no respect to other people.

If you're breaking the law and your behaviour is impacting on other members of society then yes you deserve a conviction. If you disagree with how fair it is you could always ask for an appeal and see if you were treated unfairly.

RoboRat

Northerngal wrote: »

So been arrested afew times means your a criminal? I've been fined 600 for a joint FFS my friend done an hour in holding cells in the jail for the a bigger fine for weed he dosnt have a job!
(slightly wrong for privacy)

Example 1 checkpoint! G=guards P=person.
G, hello sir, licence please
P, hello guard, here you go;( licence has city centre address nice area)
G, thank you kindly sir have a nice day evening.

Example 2
G, hello sir, licence please.
P, I don't have it on me guard, I'll happily produce it at a station within ten days!
G, That's no probem sir , name, address and DOB please!
P, joe bloggs, 1 very rough area dublin, DOB 11,6,1805
G, GET OUT OF THE CAR NOW IM SEARCHING THIS CAR UNDER SECTION 23 OF THE MISUSE OF DRUGS ACT of 1649 and calls for back up!
G,You've connections to x y z.
P, I went to school with x, y lives next door and I don't know Z.

Nothing found and am aloud go home.

I'm not from a particularly nice area but I was raised to respect the Guards and be polite and respectful to people in general.

2 days ago I was stopped at a checkpoint, I had a garage car as mine was in for servicing and it had no tax, no NCT and no insurance disc, my licence was in my car too so I didn't have it on me.

Guard: How's it going today
Me: Ah grand, presume you are concerned about the lack of discs? It's a garage car, mine went in for service today.
Guard: Ermmmm
Me: I can call the garage, it's no problem, they're still open.
Guard: Nah, it's OK, go on.
Me: Thanks very much, have a nice evening
Guard: You too.

This could have been very different if I wasn't polite.

Northerngal

LexieOnRale wrote: »

There's plenty of guards going to work for **** pay, long hours, and for what? So they can arrest someone who knows more about the law than their solicitor? Demanding their free legal aid solicitor, dr and sometimes interpreter. They'll be given all that too. Probably overtime for the guard if he/she has to question them and it runs over their shift. It'll get to court and be ajourned a few times no doubt, and then for the person to get a slap on the wrist or get off completely? How demoralising must that be. Trying to do your job, then wondering why you'd bother when it's all for nothing.

You're talking about gardai beating people. What about the gardai who get spat at, swung at, assaulted, threathened, their family threathened? If you didn't come to the attention of the cops you wouldn't have to worry how corrupt they are. I don't condone someone being beaten but let's be honest if they have you in custody there's a fairly good chance you're not a model citizen. Why do people expect to e treated with respect when they show little to no respect to other people.

If you're breaking the law and your behaviour is impacting on other members of society then yes you deserve a conviction. If you disagree with how fair it is you could always ask for an appeal and see if you were treated unfairly.

Where's the sh!t pay? Answer my question please is a conviction a conviction?

Look I know we need a police force, I want to trust them , but how can we there a law on to themselves!

And any solicitor worth their pay will tell you not to contest a been aggressive charge for the guards in court, your pissing against the wind.

But sure their great, prefect people, not like us normal plebs.

Garda Oath of Office
"The following "ATTESTATION OATH" is sworn by all members of the Garda and we are informed by the Garda Press Office, the Garda Reserve.

I HEREBY SOLEMNLY AND SINCERELY DECLARE BEFORE GOD THAT_

I WILL FAITHFULLY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES OF A MEMBER OF THE GARDA SIOCHANA WITH FAIRNESS, INTEGRITY, REGARD FOR HUMAN RIGHTS, DILIGENCE AND IMPARTIALITY, UPHOLDING THE CONSTITUTION AND THE LAW AND ACCORDING EQUAL RESPECT TO ALL PEOPLE.

WHILE I CONTINUE TO BE A MEMBER, I WILL TO THE BEST OF MY SKILL AND KNOWLEDGE DISCHARGE ALL MY DUTIES ACCORDING TO LAW, AND

I DO NOT BELONG TO, AND WILL NOT WHILE I REMAIN A MEMBER FORM, BELONG TO OR SUBSCRIBE TO , ANY POLITICAL PARTY OR SECRET SOCIETY WHATSOEVER".

2005 NO 20 GARDA SIOCHANA ACT - SOLEMN DECLARATION SECTION 16."

Northerngal

RoboRat wrote: »

I'm not from a particularly nice area but I was raised to respect the Guards and be polite and respectful to people in general.

2 days ago I was stopped at a checkpoint, I had a garage car as mine was in for servicing and it had no tax, no NCT and no insurance disc, my licence was in my car too so I didn't have it on me.

Guard: How's it going today
Me: Ah grand, presume you are concerned about the lack of discs? It's a garage car, mine went in for service today.
Guard: Ermmmm
Me: I can call the garage, it's no problem, they're still open.
Guard: Nah, it's OK, go on.
Me: Thanks very much, have a nice evening
Guard: You too.

This could have been very different if I wasn't polite.

Did you read my DS one, I've nothing against good guards, their very few and far between!
Serective, corrupt they've had far too much power in Ireland.

The protecters of the law, are lawless them selfs.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Northerngal wrote: »

Where's the sh!t pay? Answer my question please is a conviction a conviction?

Look I know we need a police force, I want to trust them , but how can we there a law on to themselves!

And any solicitor worth their pay will tell you not to contest a been aggressive charge for the guards in court, your pissing against the wind.

But sure their great, prefect people, not like us normal plebs.

Garda Oath of Office
"The following "ATTESTATION OATH" is sworn by all members of the Garda and we are informed by the Garda Press Office, the Garda Reserve.

I HEREBY SOLEMNLY AND SINCERELY DECLARE BEFORE GOD THAT_

I WILL FAITHFULLY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES OF A MEMBER OF THE GARDA SIOCHANA WITH FAIRNESS, INTEGRITY, REGARD FOR HUMAN RIGHTS, DILIGENCE AND IMPARTIALITY, UPHOLDING THE CONSTITUTION AND THE LAW AND ACCORDING EQUAL RESPECT TO ALL PEOPLE.

WHILE I CONTINUE TO BE A MEMBER, I WILL TO THE BEST OF MY SKILL AND KNOWLEDGE DISCHARGE ALL MY DUTIES ACCORDING TO LAW, AND

I DO NOT BELONG TO, AND WILL NOT WHILE I REMAIN A MEMBER FORM, BELONG TO OR SUBSCRIBE TO , ANY POLITICAL PARTY OR SECRET SOCIETY WHATSOEVER".

2005 NO 20 GARDA SIOCHANA ACT - SOLEMN DECLARATION SECTION 16."

If you were as well versed in your own responsibilities as you are in theirs you wouldn't be coming to their attention as much.

Northerngal

LexieOnRale wrote: »

If you were as well versed in your own responsibilities as you are in theirs you wouldn't be coming to their attention as much.

How can you call me irresponsible? it's obvious you have a members agenda from shaggin them, the people know their a law onto themselves.

What are you on about? I'm being honest, but you can't accept that because it show AGS as lawless!

Why won't you answer the question?

Gravelly

Northerngal wrote: »

it's obvious you have a members agenda from shaggin them

:eek:

Northerngal

Gravelly wrote: »

:eek:

What's wrong with that??