Persephone kindness wrote: » Real strength is not thuggery. And thuggery or hardness undermines authority. Studies show it makes people sympathize with criminals as the underdog. The more brutish authority is the less people want to identify with it and the less they respect or recognize it's legitimacy. Even if it's not justified. After the civil war people didn't trust the state so instead of a 'HARD' police force. They gave us 'guardians of the peace'. I prefer it.
Northerngal wrote: » I'd go as far as saying we need more "soft looking" gardai and more woman too their better communicaters both verbally and threw body language and can difuse most situation without slapping the head off them. I've been arrested load's of times(I'm not a criminal) because of drink beatings only made worse. Bodycams are needed yesterday so members of Gardai are above reproach!
mynamejeff wrote: » youve been arrested loads of times and want softer gardai ???
Northerngal wrote: » Yes softer in afar as not beating someone up that's why bodycams are needed yesterday. I've no problem saying I've been arrested/locked in cell/held for court, beat black and blue before being put in cells there's no cam's in station corridors.
Tombo2001 wrote: » why do I read after hours.......its like the Daily Mail for 9 year olds.....
mynamejeff wrote: » actually these days most of the bigger stations do have cameras and sound recorders fitted all over
Northerngal wrote: » Ah you know yourself what goes on in stations up and down the country don't be obtuse and dosnt nagate the fact it still goes on, Gardai should conduct themselves above reproach that's why bodycams are need along with better cars Proper stab vest(not UK rejects) Etc etc etc.
Persephone kindness wrote: » After the civil war people didn't trust the state
mynamejeff wrote: » and proper jail terms for criminals who get repeatedly arrested ??
Northerngal wrote: » No, one offence can lead to loads of charges really depends if the guards likes you or not (I've never been to jail it's cost me a pretty penny thank god I wouldn't have a job if I did)but criminal colleges sorry ment jails are busting at the seams they love it sure its free bed ,food and the big fish control their organisations within our jails while staying alive! Do you believe someone who had a drink problem because it's the norm in Ireland should be locked up in jail because they've been arrested more than 5 times or any person arrested 5 times for stupid reasons? Hear's another one your address has a big part in how certain members might treat you!
mynamejeff wrote: » its really hard to have that conversation without knowing all the facts tbh lots of people have like a drink and or have drink problems but never get arrested. i think the whole "the gardas dont like me coz im from xy or z " attitude is lazy . its a persons attitude when dealing with gardai or any police man that makes the difference and of course prior interactions. say lke the previous 4 times that person got arrested
Northerngal wrote: » So been arrested afew times means your a criminal? I've been fined 600 for a joint FFS my friend done an hour in holding cells in the jail for the a bigger fine for weed he dosnt have a job! (slightly wrong for privacy) Example 1 checkpoint! G=guards P=person. G, hello sir, licence please P, hello guard, here you go;( licence has city centre address nice area) G, thank you kindly sir have a nice day evening. Example 2 G, hello sir, licence please. P, I don't have it on me guard, I'll happily produce it at a station within ten days! G, That's no probem sir , name, address and DOB please! P, joe bloggs, 1 very rough area dublin, DOB 11,6,1805 G, GET OUT OF THE CAR NOW IM SEARCHING THIS CAR UNDER SECTION 23 OF THE MISUSE OF DRUGS ACT of 1649 and calls for back up! G,You've connections to x y z. P, I went to school with x, y lives next door and I don't know Z. Nothing found and am aloud go home.
Johnny Jukebox wrote: » I saw the guards in action at the H-Block riots in Ballsbridge in 1981. They took on some of the most hardened rioters from the North and battered them back into the city.
mynamejeff wrote: » sounds like its drink drugs and the company you keep rather than ingrained classicism and systemic prejudices that lead to your negative interactions with police. And i m sorry to tell you that yes having criminal convictions ie public order drugs etc etc makes that persons a criminal. that is the way the criminal justice system works and not liking the laws dont mean you dont have to abide by them you know gardai come from all sorts of areas and backgrounds i know one garda from sheriff street and played sports with a guy from moyross . theres chinese/irish and polish/irish gardai too Also are you really aggrieved that you got searched for drugs having previously been caught with drugs ?
mynamejeff wrote: » Your a minor who chooses to be out drinking and drugging has been arrested more than 5 times and already has two convictions . And you blame your parents for who you hang out with ? Really ? You've had many interactions with sdu and eru ? Let me guess you don't like the drug squad ? Lol caz they take your and your friends stuff ? Think you might have a lot more problems than you should be discussing here. In fact I'm not sure you know exactly what it is you are talking about . What's bar btw ?
Northerngal wrote: » First off Can I as a minor choose where I live?Choose who i go to school with?Or who my parents live beside? I'll disagree, I've had plenty of good Garda interaction with UNIFORM/SDU/ERU especially from the gardai who "look soft" and can use their voice, difuse a situation rather than beating people up. Our justice system needs a SERIOUS overhaul and gardai, both are outdated and need to be modernization urgently, minor convictions like public order, possession of drugs for own use(. Ireland is flooded with illegal drugs and you know it, it's worse than any time before! So nothing has worked or will. Is there a difference between a person with two convictions or over a hundred? Labels aren't good especially conviction labels, why try change or be a productive member of society? Also I've no problem being searched, if I've something on me I shouldn't have, I'm gone like usain bolt! I also fully accept my punishment/s for doing wrong by the justice system(the courts) not rough/tough by members of AGS. I used the drink because we as Irish people sympathize with drinkers a bit but illegal drugs a big NO NO. How's bar??
LexieOnRale wrote: » Take some responsibility for yourself, no you can't control where you live but you have a choice over who you call friends, how you behave and right from wrong. Once you're over the age of 7, there's no excuse for you to behave in a way that affects society. A conviction is a conviction, just because you haven't racked up 100 doesn't mean you have a clean record. Want to be a productive member of society? Great, don't act like a little sh1t that has too much time on their hands. Go to school, lay off the drink and drugs, and lay down the foundations to having a good life going forward. The only overhaul our justice system needs is to support the Gardai more, and to show less sympathy to the troublemakers and more sympathy to the victims of their lifestyle choices.
Northerngal wrote: » I'm human I'll always do wrong, in someones eyes How can we support a force who's corrupt to the core?? Beating people, applying charge sheets for sh!ts and giggles and everything else that has came out? A conviction is not a conviction!So sexual assault is the same as drunk and disorderly?Drink driving is the same as possession of a gram of weed for your own personal use? The justice system and AGS need urgent mordization, laws and practices, Ireland is awash with illegal drugs, illegal guns, etc etc our prisons are criminal college's.
LexieOnRale wrote: » There's plenty of guards going to work for **** pay, long hours, and for what? So they can arrest someone who knows more about the law than their solicitor? Demanding their free legal aid solicitor, dr and sometimes interpreter. They'll be given all that too. Probably overtime for the guard if he/she has to question them and it runs over their shift. It'll get to court and be ajourned a few times no doubt, and then for the person to get a slap on the wrist or get off completely? How demoralising must that be. Trying to do your job, then wondering why you'd bother when it's all for nothing. You're talking about gardai beating people. What about the gardai who get spat at, swung at, assaulted, threathened, their family threathened? If you didn't come to the attention of the cops you wouldn't have to worry how corrupt they are. I don't condone someone being beaten but let's be honest if they have you in custody there's a fairly good chance you're not a model citizen. Why do people expect to e treated with respect when they show little to no respect to other people. If you're breaking the law and your behaviour is impacting on other members of society then yes you deserve a conviction. If you disagree with how fair it is you could always ask for an appeal and see if you were treated unfairly.
RoboRat wrote: » I'm not from a particularly nice area but I was raised to respect the Guards and be polite and respectful to people in general. 2 days ago I was stopped at a checkpoint, I had a garage car as mine was in for servicing and it had no tax, no NCT and no insurance disc, my licence was in my car too so I didn't have it on me. Guard: How's it going today Me: Ah grand, presume you are concerned about the lack of discs? It's a garage car, mine went in for service today. Guard: Ermmmm Me: I can call the garage, it's no problem, they're still open. Guard: Nah, it's OK, go on. Me: Thanks very much, have a nice evening Guard: You too. This could have been very different if I wasn't polite.
Northerngal wrote: » Where's the sh!t pay? Answer my question please is a conviction a conviction? Look I know we need a police force, I want to trust them , but how can we there a law on to themselves! And any solicitor worth their pay will tell you not to contest a been aggressive charge for the guards in court, your pissing against the wind. But sure their great, prefect people, not like us normal plebs. Garda Oath of Office "The following "ATTESTATION OATH" is sworn by all members of the Garda and we are informed by the Garda Press Office, the Garda Reserve. I HEREBY SOLEMNLY AND SINCERELY DECLARE BEFORE GOD THAT_ I WILL FAITHFULLY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES OF A MEMBER OF THE GARDA SIOCHANA WITH FAIRNESS, INTEGRITY, REGARD FOR HUMAN RIGHTS, DILIGENCE AND IMPARTIALITY, UPHOLDING THE CONSTITUTION AND THE LAW AND ACCORDING EQUAL RESPECT TO ALL PEOPLE. WHILE I CONTINUE TO BE A MEMBER, I WILL TO THE BEST OF MY SKILL AND KNOWLEDGE DISCHARGE ALL MY DUTIES ACCORDING TO LAW, AND I DO NOT BELONG TO, AND WILL NOT WHILE I REMAIN A MEMBER FORM, BELONG TO OR SUBSCRIBE TO , ANY POLITICAL PARTY OR SECRET SOCIETY WHATSOEVER". 2005 NO 20 GARDA SIOCHANA ACT - SOLEMN DECLARATION SECTION 16."
LexieOnRale wrote: » If you were as well versed in your own responsibilities as you are in theirs you wouldn't be coming to their attention as much.
Northerngal wrote: » it's obvious you have a members agenda from shaggin them
Gravelly wrote: » :eek:
