It goes from bad to worse for the Gardai

tayto lover

bubblypop wrote: »

How would you feel if you were accused of something, & the investigation means that you are suspended from your job, with no way to clear your name until an investigation is complete?
Put that with an investigation that seems to take years & years, with everyone around you presuming you are guilty of something.
That's hardly fair. It's not fair for ordinary folk, why would it be fair for Gardai?
If anything, they are under more scrutiny, & they are assumed by the public to be guilty, surely they deserve timely Investigations?

That is totally wrong.
Everyone has the presumption of innocence until proven guilty.
What's taking the investigators so long?

Curly Judge

bubblypop wrote: »

How would you feel if you were accused of something, & the investigation means that you are suspended from your job, with no way to clear your name until an investigation is complete?
Put that with an investigation that seems to take years & years, with everyone around you presuming you are guilty of something.
That's hardly fair. It's not fair for ordinary folk, why would it be fair for Gardai?
If anything, they are under more scrutiny, & they are assumed by the public to be guilty, surely they deserve timely Investigations?

The best way then is to have a mandatory court judgement after deliberation by a jury.
You know....12 good men and women....ordinary taxpayers.

Muahahaha

bubblypop wrote: »

The person in question is currently suspended from duty, for the last I don't know how many years.
There is an ongoing Investigation into this so obviously no-one can comment. But maybe people could give Gardai the same respect that they give civilians when it comes to criminal investigations?
Allow due justice to do its job, & allow Gardai the same innocent until proven guilty as the general public.

Yeah but surely you can see that the displinary process in the Gardai is pretty shoddy. Like the female Garda in question illegally tapped the phone of her ex-boyfriend in 2011. Rather than facing a criminal prosecution she kept her job and got shifted sideways. She should have been fired for breaking the law and invading the privacy of a citizen but instead she was given yet another position of trust in the Special Branch where again she would have access to peoples private information.

Then in 2013 she goes sending threatening emails to Gardai from internet cafes whilst wearing a wig and disguise and she gets suspended for that t, with full pay for the last four years. If they had of just made the right decision to sack her for breaking the law in the first place none of this would have happened at all. Instead what we have is a detective Garda on full pay, at a cost to the taxpayer, for the last four years. She has probably cost the taxpayer more than 200k at this rate when she should have just been fired in the first place. But instead Garda management just moved her sideways till she committed her next crime. You couldnt make it up.

jmayo

bubblypop wrote: »

How would you feel if you were accused of something, & the investigation means that you are suspended from your job, with no way to clear your name until an investigation is complete?
Put that with an investigation that seems to take years & years, with everyone around you presuming you are guilty of something.

That's hardly fair. It's not fair for ordinary folk, why would it be fair for Gardai?
If anything, they are under more scrutiny, & they are assumed by the public to be guilty, surely they deserve timely Investigations?

Well in the case of that woman, she has form.
So forgive us for presuming she is as guilty as hell.
She already broke the law and if someone else did what she did they would have faced prosecution.
Instead she was moved into special branch.

What would she have to do to get moved to directing traffic or standing outside the British embassy in the pi**ing rain ?
Shagged the commissioners other half and posted the video on WhatsApp perhaps?

But no you are trying to make out she is somehow the wounded party deserving of sympathy.
You know the more you post around here the less and less respect we have for your profession, although it is getting very hard to equate Irish police officer and professional in the same sentence.

Muahahaha wrote: »

Yeah but surely you can see that the displinary process in the Gardai is pretty shoddy. Like the female Garda in question illegally tapped the phone of her ex-boyfriend in 2011. Rather than facing a criminal prosecution she kept her job and got shifted sideways. She should have been fired for breaking the law and invading the privacy of a citizen but instead she was given yet another position of trust in the Special Branch where again she would have access to peoples private information.

Then in 2013 she goes sending threatening emails to Gardai from internet cafes whilst wearing a wig and disguise and she gets suspended for that t, with full pay for the last four years. If they had of just made the right decision to sack her for breaking the law in the first place none of this would have happened at all. Instead what we have is a detective Garda on full pay, at a cost to the taxpayer, for the last four years. She has probably cost the taxpayer more than 200k at this rate when she should have just been fired in the first place. But instead Garda management just moved her sideways till she committed her next crime. You couldnt make it up.

One has to wonder whose dirty linen she has.

Are Am Eye

It seems Bubbly is saying that an internal disciplinary investigation has lasted over five years.
The alleged offences are both criminal and gross professional misconduct.
I would expect a few months even a few weeks to conclude a serious matter such as that.

Maybe Bubbly is mistaken on the details of this one. If not, then well done to him on blowing the whistle on yet more chicanery.

Muahahaha

Are Am Eye wrote: »

It seems Bubbly is saying that an internal disciplinary investigation has lasted over five years.
The alleged offences are both criminal and gross professional misconduct.
I would expect a few months even a few weeks to conclude a serious matter such as that.

Maybe Bubbly is mistaken on the details of this one. If not, then well done to him on blowing the whistle on yet more chicanery.

I would well believe it, dragging out internal investigations for years is what Garda management in the Park do.

The whistleblower Garda Keith Harrison has been suspended on no pay for years now. His crime was to make a protected disclosure about a Detective Garda who got himself deeply involved in the heroin market in the Athlone area. And for being honest and doing the right thing Gardai (both locally and in the Park) have made his life a living hell. And now it is revealed that detectives created an intelligence file on him, his friends and family. The type of surveillance and intelligence file that is normally reserved for high level criminals was used on a whistelblower who told the truth. Then you also had Gardai in Athlone going around all the people Keith Harrison had arrested over the years trying to convince them to make a complaint about him. Unreal way to treat a colleague, these Gardai should be sacked for gross misconduct.

So it seems if you blow the whistle you are suspended with no pay. But if you are already found guilty of illegally tapping phones and then commit another offence you get suspended with full pay. Remarkable, isnt it? I would say jmayo is right and the female detective has some dirty linen from some of her other phone taps. Because lets face it, there woulld have been more than just the one on her ex boyfriend.

nice_guy80

surely there is some sort of 'internal affairs' section of the Gardai?

I mean, every cop programme on tv or movie mentions internal affairs!

RustyNut

nice_guy80 wrote: »

surely there is some sort of 'internal affairs' section of the Gardai?

I mean, every cop programme on tv or movie mentions internal affairs!

That's the Garda marriage bureau your talking about there. Keep it in the family and all that. ðŸ˜

Fred Swanson

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Zebra3

Muahahaha wrote: »

Yeah but surely you can see that the displinary process in the Gardai is pretty shoddy. Like the female Garda in question illegally tapped the phone of her ex-boyfriend in 2011. Rather than facing a criminal prosecution she kept her job and got shifted sideways. She should have been fired for breaking the law and invading the privacy of a citizen but instead she was given yet another position of trust in the Special Branch where again she would have access to peoples private information.

Then in 2013 she goes sending threatening emails to Gardai from internet cafes whilst wearing a wig and disguise and she gets suspended for that t, with full pay for the last four years. If they had of just made the right decision to sack her for breaking the law in the first place none of this would have happened at all. Instead what we have is a detective Garda on full pay, at a cost to the taxpayer, for the last four years. She has probably cost the taxpayer more than 200k at this rate when she should have just been fired in the first place. But instead Garda management just moved her sideways till she committed her next crime. You couldnt make it up.

Guards breaking the law should face the same consequences as the rest of us.*

Jail time.



*The rest of us being everyone excluding DOB, prominent politicians, church members who assisted kiddie fiddlers, bankers, and property developers.

greenoverred

Some drama on this thread over the last few pages calling for this sergeant to be jailed and sacked and it seems even after reading the article not one of ye has a clue what ye want her jailed for. The sergeant has never been accused of tapping or bugging a phone.
If he want to jail her at least get the crime right

Fred Swanson

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greenoverred

Fred Swanson wrote: »

Yes, Sarge!

Or maybe the concept of at least having some idea what you are talking about before posting is alien to some.
Have you read the posted article and if so have you figured out yet what the sergeant is accused of. It's not that difficult but of course you have to want to see it

mynamejeff

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

In light of recent revelations, is there anybody who still believes that there was absolutely no credence behind the allegations of covert surveillance on GSOC under Martin Callinan's tenure - and the subsequent claims, backed up by the Cooke report, that the security experts from the UK who came here to investigate those allegations, were themselves subject to harassment and suspicious activity during their visit to Ireland?

was it not shown that the covert surveillance was the wifi from the coffee shop across the street ?
the gsco lad who jumped the gun had to quit in shame no ?

what was the level of harassment that these experts suffered ?
from what i remember it was that a ford mondeo (that may or may not have been a unmarked carda car)drove past them on the street in the middle of one of dublins busiest area ?

there are lots of issues with the grdai but there are lots of silly overblown media driven nonstories too

washman3

Zebra3 wrote: »

Guards breaking the law should face the same consequences as the rest of us.*

Jail time.



*The rest of us being everyone excluding DOB, prominent politicians, church members who assisted kiddie fiddlers, bankers, and property developers.

And Seanie walks free after being aquitted of 126 counts
Enough said. Last person out turn off the lights.
BANANA REPUBLIC

Green Peter

washman3 wrote:

And Seanie walks free after being aquitted of 126 counts Enough said. Last person out turn off the lights. BANANA REPUBLIC

The gardai were not the prosecuting agency in this case!

Fann Linn

Garda supers undertaking industrial action now. Are they ever satisfied, after just getting a €50 million pay rise too.

Sierra Oscar

Fann Linn wrote: »

Garda supers undertaking industrial action now. Are they ever satisfied, after just getting a €50 million pay rise too.

Would you take a pay cut if you were given a promotion which came with a lot of additional responsibilities?

That's the issue which is at play here. Newly promoted Superintendents can expect a pay cut as there is a discrepancy in the pay-scale between an Inspector and a Superintendent.

Top gardaí take industrial action in the latest pay row to hit force

Central to the side deal was the removal of an anomaly that caused superintendents to take a €4,000-€6,000 reduction in their pay on promotion from the rank of inspector.