Off Topic Chat. (MOD NOTE post# 3949 and post#5279)

Cass

Its funny you mention alterations, because my advice to copy the FCA1 is so that any "amendments" to it after it's submitted can be challenged. It's has been claimed on this forum, more than a few times, that such practices were happening.

As for a receipt, you are meant to receive one but I've never been issued one even after both requesting then demanding one. I always bring along one of my own and even then I get push back as though the person receiving it wants nothing to do with it.

Mellor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123039430#Comment_123039430

By alterations, I was referring to the other side claiming that it was altered by the applicant. ie edit it after the photo then submitted it. We should have more than words. Would be trivial to issue a confirmation.

I had a look at the Wildlife act. There's lots of references to licenses issued, that are not actually ever issed.

Cass

@Mellor "By alterations, I was referring to the other side claiming that it was altered by the applicant"

I got that, hence why I mentioned it being, allegedly, an issue for "our side".

A photo of the application beside a newspaper or some other item with a timestamp would not so easily be disputed as having being altered qfterwards.

Until a better system is implemented or the previous one of receipts used, then it's all we have.

Grizzly 45

A photo of the application beside a newspaper or some other item with a timestamp would not so easily be disputed as having being altered qfterwards.

Google Time Stamp Camera app.Gives you a Watermarked time stamp for both Stills and Video on your phone.

Mellor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123041850#Comment_123041850

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123044226#Comment_123044226

Both good suggestions, better than a plain photo. But even if the photo was timestamped minutes before the application was lodged. There would till be time to change it.

It's just ridiculous in this day an age that its not online or at least a stamped copy given to you.

Cass

No argument here, it's a farce and my reply above is an indictment of our own apathy towards it (when I say it's all we have for the moment).

We shouldn't accept it.

JP22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123044226#Comment_123044226

I always complete new FCA applications in .pdf format and save a copy to my PC.

Never had an issue myself, I'm just old and old skool and always kept/keep important docs/receipts/guarantees/etc,

Grizzly 45

Gotta ask too.Does whoever who prints up the liscenses actually READ the info they are given ?I've 4liscenses now with incorrect addresses on them.

My part of Clare has now become Limerick, my better halfs .410 single shot has now become a 12 gauge DBBL.

At this stage unless it is a wrong serial number or ammo count or category, or incorrect on the EU passport I couldn't be arsed anymore returning these lics to have my correct address put on them .

They get the same pertinent personal info at least 10 times in a 3 year cycle of liscenses and it hasn't changed or likely to in the next meanwhile.Utterly ridicilous and a waste of everyone's time.

otmmyboy2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123047482#Comment_123047482

Interesting, they've never gotten my address or name wrong, but everything else has been, serial number, make, caliber, ammo amount, DoB, etc.

I'd think the scale of their errors might be down to bad handwriting, if I didn't print my applications off and just sign the final page lol

Melodeon

A person with a cynical mind might perhaps ponder whether these 'errors' were a deliberate ploy to see if applicants were thoroughly reading and properly correcting the forms. Or even, if perhaps they were a way of luring the inattentive into submitting a 'fraudulent' application that might be useful for legal/prosecutorial purposes in the future. After all, we've been repeatedly told that it's the applicant's responsibility to ensure that all the paperwork is in order.

On the other hand, the quote attributed to Napoleon is probably the most likely explanation: “Never ascribe to malice that which can adequately be explained by incompetence.”

dalalada

https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2025/01/17/donegal-barrister-seeking-firearms-licence-told-to-undertake-anger-management-course/
And read a book and make 5 action points

Grizzly 45

Well at least that wise Judge got him to read a book that every politican ,minister and TD sitting and aspiring to,and anyone in a senior executive in any Irish company[looking at you O Leary] should read.

tonysopprano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123078452#Comment_123078452

Maybe you and the judge, should look up the definition of ULTRA VIRES

Mellor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123074894#Comment_123074894

He must be a handy barrister if he was successful despite the assault charge and the other string of aggressive behaviours.

I’d assume he made the case that the assault charge shouldn’t be considered while under review, and the judge just about agreed.

cosieman

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/ni-to-remain-exempt-from-new-gun-licensing-fees/

Gun licence fees are increasing 111% and 157% In the Uk besides Northern Ireland do you think gun licence fees are going to increase here in the future?

Grizzly 45

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123079018#Comment_123079018

Maybe You should read up on the powers a DC has on conditions ans discretion attachable to a decision or sentence?Like how bad,go read a freakin book!

Feisar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123080149#Comment_123080149

Well I can tell you one thing for sure, they aren't going down!

Grizzly 45

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123080149#Comment_123080149

That's more of Labours attack on farming and the countryside than anything else.So this is just another kick in the teeth for farmers/gun owners in the UK.

Over here ,doubtful as when they did up the liscense fees to 80 back in the 2000s. It was the one thing that got the entire Irish shooting community in uproar,singing from the same sheet and promptly woke up the slumbering giant of Irish gun owners ,namely the IFA to storm Govt offices and harrangue the FF/PD collation. We blizzard emailed them as well, from boards here when the interweb was still a rather not understood communication form in Ireland,so much Mary Harney commented that she had no idea that this was such a sensitive topic with Irish shooters.

So unless they get PULSE updated or rebuilt,get us onto a liscense the man not the gun,5 year liscense,and the one on one off like for like swop,and all the other Wunder things that were discussed in proposals in 2023.There is no justification to increase the liscense fee. Could be wrong of course,but I'd doubt it.

cosieman

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/02/13/labour-considering-crackdown-on-farmers-shotgun-access/

More clampdown on our sport across the pond in the UK.

Grizzly 45

One thing for sure "Two Tier" Starmer is making Labour as unelectable in the countryside in the UK as the Green party in Ireland was in rural Ireland last November.

Cass

Page 17 of the Irish independent today. Article on the "crackdown" on firearm ownership.

It shows the number of licensed firearms has been dropping over the last few years with current figures for total licenses issued being 198 thousand and change, spread among 120,000 to 150,000 people (multiple license holders)

Then at the last paragraph they say Ireland has one of the lowest rate of gun ownership in Europe at 7.2 per 100.

They couldn't even be bothered to factory check themselves with basic math. 7.2 per 100 means 360,000+ firearms yet the article started by saying 198,000 licenses issued to between 120,000 - 150,000 people. Meaning the actual figure is 2.4 per 100, approx.

They're still citing that erroneous and utterly made up number from gunpolicy which estimates the number of guns, both legal and illegally held balled into one group, based on guesstimates using other countries as a basis.

Other than that the article offers nothing else other than the notion that DoJ and AGS are somehow reducing illegally held guns through banning legitimate holders from licensing certain types such as semi autos which the article only cites the 97 imported, and doesn't mention the couple of hundred TOTAL that were licensed. Once again quoting the Minister and citing shootings overseas as the reason.

Just let it sink in for a minute that a Minister of our government banned two hundred firearms because they were used in other countries for illegal acts even though there has never been an instance of it happening here. So we are no longer to be judged on our actions but on the actions id those that already break the law, IN ANOTHER COUNTRY.

Lazy reporting, and hyper-senationalism of a, especially now, mundane topic.

otmmyboy2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123181020#Comment_123181020

That and the extremely shaky ground of banning something retroactively based on a minister's statement from 8 years beforehand.

Lord knows ministers have come out with some humdingers in the past, wonder will any of those get retrospectively enforced 😂

Birdnuts

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123177106#Comment_123177106

I don't think they care since they never really had a presence in these areas to start.

Grizzly 45

Other than that the article offers nothing else other than the notion that DoJ and AGS are somehow reducing illegally held guns through banning legitimate holders from licensing certain types such as semi autos which the article only cites the 97 imported, and doesn't mention the couple of hundred TOTAL that were licensed. Once again quoting the Minister and citing shootings overseas as the reason.

Well,it would be rather embarrassing for any Govt and civil service dept and police force to admit that they were being handed their backsides on plates in the High and Dist courts of the land with a 95% success rate in appeals against these decisions and revocations and that their firearms expert from ballistics at the time were as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike in making the states case and that ultimately the state lost 30 grand within 6 hours in Limerick's district court.Sort of around the time AGS was well in the spotlight for the 1million DUI kits,Dodgy Cheif Comissioners and just as dodgy replacements,and arresting TD's leaving the Dail on suspicion of DUI.Not to mind despite another hatchet job of RTE Primetime investigates on gun ownership and trying to convince the Dail in a public inquiry of the dangers of these "weapons",and being seen off ,again by Irish gunowners and Boards.ie members .

On costs I wonder how much did that court case cost the State again that is mentioned in that article that supposedly happened in Limerick?

As for the numbers actually out there. Rumour has it when the DOJ moved their data system,the exact numbers imported was lost in the dept and data transfer!So that is why the numbers are so low and that is why DOJ was questioning gun dealers as to how many they imported or had in stock awhile back.

So maybe Francsis Fitz at the time,after pulling the AGs hot chestnuts out of the fire had to"do somthing" to keep the force together by throwing them this bone ,no doubt of being told the usual horror stories of potential "Blood on the streets and schoolyards and you'll be responsible Minister!"But left with not being able to queer the pitch by outright banning those held and just granted by the judicary.

It did take a left wing Social media platform to point out the intresting facts about Min Brownes "choice" of "C***ty" the amatuer tree surgeon, ardent FF supporter and self professed "blueshirt killer" and ex range operator[at the time,now apprently operating a range in Wexford,that oddly got permission from the DOJ post FEC a couple of months later] and gun dealer from Min Brownes constituency and that it took the current CeanComharlie as an independent TD to point out the oddities of employing these FEC's in the Dail inquiry of the DOJs finance budget last year. A much more intresting story,but perish the thought of the Indo actually covering that story.Shure it might offend someone!

Grizzly 45

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123181808#Comment_123181808

Labour,before it became a trendy woke upper class hip political thing to be in London used to have a huge following in the English countryside and in the industrial towns and mines in the last century and esp in the 1920's. [The name is kind of a giveaway😃].So much so it was one of the causes of the British Govt introducing the firearms certificate for rifles and handguns after the "hunger marches" and so many ex servicemen being disenchanted with the "Land fit for hero's" that was post WW1 England who were coming under the influence of Labour or communist parties.

George Orwell ,a Socialist,famous saying about the rifle on the wall in a labourer's cottage or apartment being the surety of freedom and our duty to keep it there,has obviously fallen out of favour with the West End smoked salmon and Range Rover Socialists.

Birdnuts

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123182026#Comment_123182026

A bit like the Irish Labour party so…..

Grizzly 45

Dunno who this guy is,but it's an intresting take on the above article.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPTEdihVYdo

Suckler

Hi all, just wanted to check if anything has changed in the rules in storing a gun at home. I have a .22 rifle, previously a trigger lock was all that was needed to satisfy the Gard's. Now the Gard I'm dealing with is insisting a gun safe is needed. I always thought that a gun safe was required when you had more than one gun?

Cass

The minimum for a single unrestricted rifle has been, since 2009, a gun safe.

Also the security requirements are all minimum standards so even if a trigger lock would have sufficed, which it legally wouldn't since 2009, AGS can demand a higher level of security if they deem it necessary.

StoutPost

Dropped my clamp somewhere that connects the torch to the scope. With the full moon coming on I cheaped out and ordered one from the UK. Got an email this morning saying it's a restricted item ffs 😄