All Ireland SHC Final (formerly SHC thread) - READ MOD NOTE POST #1

Powerhouse

C__MC wrote: »

I just hate that culture that exists in the GAA regarding suspensions. A lot of people and pundits tweeting this evening that gleeson should get off because it's the biggest game of his career and he is a smashing hurler. Gleeson is a class act no doubt but he was idiotic in what he did today. There is a rule there, it has been broken and he needs to be penalised. I have seen some great soccer players miss high profile finals for suspensions but yes they stood because rules are there: clear as black and white.

Funny you should mention soccer of all sports as an example. Isn't that the same sport that eliminates all previous cards at the latter stage of the World Cup so that all teams are at full strength.

Stoner

Powerhouse wrote:

Funny you should mention soccer of all sports as an example. Isn't that the same sport that eliminates all previous cards at the latter stage of the World Cup so that all teams are at full strength.

True but this wouldn't be applicable here though would it? that would be like not carrying cards like say the multiple black card rule, resetting that for the championship, or for say when you are down to the the last 8.

It's not used to clear offences carried out in semifinals, one game off the final.

Powerhouse

Robson99 wrote: »

You cannot compare Touhys last week to todays Waterford down to 14 at the stage of the first half and they would have been in big big trouble.

You seem to think that penalties should be meted out to players only when it is likely to really affect the match. That's an odd way to legislate surely?

C__MC

Powerhouse wrote: »

Funny you should mention soccer of all sports as an example. Isn't that the same sport that eliminates all previous cards at the latter stage of the World Cup so that all teams are at full strength.

Maybe so but John terry (he is a prick) missed out on a CL final. As did Roy Keane and Paul scholes. Soony B Williams in the lions series this year as well, took the suspension that came his way. If there is rules there, they need to be implied. What I would like to see with this case is to have it wrapped up by next week, all appeals etc. Be nothing worse then haven't an appeal the Thursday morning before the final.

Powerhouse

Stoner wrote: »

True but this wouldn't be applicable here though would it? that would be like not carrying cards like say the multiple black card rule, resetting that for the championship, or for say when you are down to the the last 8.

It's not used to clear offences carried out in semifinals, one game off the final.

Didn't say it would be applicable, just funny that you should mention soccer of all sports when it is one that is not comparable for those reasons.

macjohn

C__MC wrote: »

I just hate that culture that exists in the GAA regarding suspensions. A lot of people and pundits tweeting this evening that gleeson should get off because it's the biggest game of his career and he is a smashing hurler. Gleeson is a class act no doubt but he was idiotic in what he did today. There is a rule there, it has been broken and he needs to be penalised. I have seen some great soccer players miss high profile finals for suspensions but yes they stood because rules are there: clear as black and white.

Most of main national pundits seem to be keeping the head down - dont want to be involved in controversy.

Mullane (on radio) was apoplectic at the suggestion that there could possibly be any sanction against a Waterford man!!
Paraphrasing but it was along the lines of "cant have a witch hunt against Austin, if the two boys are off just hand the cup to Galway"
which IMHO was a major insult to rest of Waterford panel slogging their hearts out.

With you on the culture - as posted earlier dodgy ground if sanctions are based on your ability.

Yes it would be great to see him in the final but does the end justify the means? If Cork had won by breaking rules then would than have been ok? (I mean in general not direct it at the post I quoted)

Then in society in general - sometimes the courts are lenient because the defendant has kids!!! How he might be less culpable than someone that doesn't have kids is beyond me! (its hardly an amazing ability on the male side to make a baby!) Maybe more so cause bad example but will stop rant in case its off topic.

Its very clear that it was a deliberate act and in fairness Ger acknowledged that at half time.
If he does not get a suspension then GAA have no integrity.

One match and he will be back for the replay.

blackcard

Height of stupidity from Austin Gleeson, particularly after de Burca getting suspended for the same offence. Seems to have temperament issues. In general, I don't agree with retrospective bans for incidents not spotted by the referee. Could you use evidence recorded on a mobile phone to get someone suspended?

theoneeyedman

C__MC wrote: »

I just hate that culture that exists in the GAA regarding suspensions. A lot of people and pundits tweeting this evening that gleeson should get off because it's the biggest game of his career and he is a smashing hurler. Gleeson is a class act no doubt but he was idiotic in what he did today. There is a rule there, it has been broken and he needs to be penalised. I have seen some great soccer players miss high profile finals for suspensions but yes they stood because rules are there: clear as black and white.

I agree with the jist of your post, but I can't recall any soccer player missing a high profile (world/euro/champions league /etc) final via video evidence, as this case would be.

Don't get me wrong, do the crime/do the time. But he wasn't sent off, so the correspondence are slightly different to the example you gave. That said, if the system is for the video to be reviewed and action taken, the offense of to my eyes is obvious and he'll be lucky to play in the final.

Thought there was a nasty edge to the game at times. I thought the referee was lenient in the first half, and Cork tried too hard to stand up to Waterford and went OTT at times, with a number of borderline challenged. Cahalanes two yellows were clear cut, and there was another one early on not called where O think it was Moran was caught late and low by a straight hurl. Just from the TV covered, the Cork sideline of Kingston and O'Sullivan were very wound up too, almost Davy like at times: I know Dan and Mcgrath are very 'active' too but that didn't really come across much on tv today.
Delighted for McGrath, some of the **** thrown at him and his strategy on recent times is very unfair.

macjohn

blackcard wrote: »

Height of stupidity from Austin Gleeson, particularly after de Burca getting suspended for the same offence. Seems to have temperament issues. In general, I don't agree with retrospective bans for incidents not spotted by the referee. Could you use evidence recorded on a mobile phone to get someone suspended?

If no retrospective then the rules become -
"everything is ok - once you don't get caught"

Mahony0509

Cork fan here. We ****ed up big time. I didn't see the incident regarding Austin Gleeson so I've no idea what any of ye are talking about but I presume it was bad? Damien Cahalane is an idiot also, I knew after 10 mins he wasn't up for it.

Regarding rumours about the Cork panel, Luke Meade, Alan Cadogan and Shane Kingston were all sick. My father actually talked to Kingston in the Rochestown Pharmacy on Friday!!

macjohn

theoneeyedman wrote: »

Just from the TV covered, the Cork sideline of Kingston and O'Sullivan were very wound up too, almost Davy like at times: I know Dan and Mcgrath are very 'active' too but that didn't really come across much on tv today.
Delighted for McGrath, some of the **** thrown at him and his strategy on recent times is very unfair.

Dan was doing an awful lot of mouthing after the double sending off,
mouthing at the Cork player was he was being walked off by the Cork mentor - totally unnecessary, game was won.
Very poor behaviour
Very poor example.
I hope the Sunday Game highlight it.

Mahony0509

Dan Shanahan is nothing but a nuisance. He does **** all for the team except scream at the referee/opponent.

awaywithyou

Don't know why Waterford are worried bout Gleason being suspended.... If I was a Waterford man I'd be thankful it's not the brick, Moran, Barron, darragh fives, paudi mahony or shane Bennett there trying to get suspended.... Those guys are a million times more important to the deise than Gleeson....

If Gleeson plays all Ireland I'd be worried bout him being sent off as he is very high risk..... If that did happen... Waterford would be better off if he was suspended.....

spurshero

Sound bit sour grapeish . There's a reason panels have 30 players .

spurshero

Mahony0509 wrote: »

Cork fan here. We ****ed up big time. I didn't see the incident regarding Austin Gleeson so I've no idea what any of ye are talking about but I presume it was bad? Damien Cahalane is an idiot also, I knew after 10 mins he wasn't up for it.

Regarding rumours about the Cork panel, Luke Meade, Alan Cadogan and Shane Kingston were all sick. My father actually talked to Kingston in the Rochestown Pharmacy on Friday!!

Sounds a bit sour grapeish . There's a reason panels have 30 players

awaywithyou

macjohn wrote: »

Dan was doing an awful lot of mouthing after the double sending off,
mouthing at the Cork player was he was being walked off by the Cork mentor - totally unnecessary, game was won.
Very poor behaviour
Very poor example.
I hope the Sunday Game highlight it.

Don't think he was mouthing at cork player going off.... Think it was at diarmuid Sullivan for running onto pitch to bring refs attention to incident that led to sending off....

niallo27

Has any player been suspended due to video evidence bar issues with the officials. Only serious foul play where a player gets injured should retrospective bans be used.

Mahony0509

spurshero wrote: »

Sounds a bit sour grapeish . There's a reason panels have 30 players

Sour grapes? Look at my post history and see what I was more interested in today bud.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=104360633&postcount=2140

jam83

Theres a selfishness in Austin gleeson that suggests he mightn't be as big a loss as his talent suggests. Hurler of the year of course but that goal shoulda been laid off to the spare man. He flicked a ball over a cork players head when the game was in the balance and it was blatant showing off, nothing else. Great talent but he needs to stop indulging himself.

TheRiverman

macjohn wrote: »

Dan was doing an awful lot of mouthing after the double sending off,
mouthing at the Cork player was he was being walked off by the Cork mentor - totally unnecessary, game was won.
Very poor behaviour
Very poor example.
I hope the Sunday Game highlight it.

Some shenanigans between team management and officials during the game,heart attack and high blood pressure candidates the lot of them.

Posted this earlier,

Condenser

jam83 wrote: »

Theres a selfishness in Austin gleeson that suggests he mightn't be as big a loss as his talent suggests. Hurler of the year of course but that goal shoulda been laid off to the spare man. He flicked a ball over a cork players head when the game was in the balance and it was blatant showing off, nothing else. Great talent but he needs to stop indulging himself.

Those two incidences stood out to me too. Couldnt believe the showboating of flicking the ball over the cork player with the game in the meltinf pot. He was lucky to stay in control of it. The goal incident was pure greedy. If that went wrong which it nearly did he would have been savaged.
He has the talent but temperament is severely lacking at this stage.

dubcat51

Austin gleeson pulling the helmet off is clear cut.connolly touched the linesman clear cut.who you are shouldnt count end of

niallo27

dubcat51 wrote: »

Austin gleeson pulling the helmet off is clear cut.connolly touched the linesman clear cut.who you are shouldnt count end of

It's not that clear cut though. Do we review every dodgy decision that happens on the field. I mean Horgan elbowed a Clare defender in the Munster final, a clear red but he got away with it and we all moved on. For some reason because it's Glesson there is a witch hunt for the guy.

threeball

Is there a limit to the size of the bos on an outfield players hurl. Just saw horgans on tsg there and it looks like a small dinner plate.

C__MC

threeball wrote: »

Is there a limit to the size of the bos on an outfield players hurl. Just saw horgans on tsg there and it looks like a small dinner plate.

Frying pan

djPSB

The analysis from the pundits is absolutely bolleeex.

The sweeper system is being lorded today.

The reality is that up to 56 minutes, Cork were the better team and looked the most likely winners.

Waterford's system only came to the fore when Cork went down to 14.

The sweeper system was no less or more effective than it had been previously. The difference today was the sending off.

Right2Write

Robson99 wrote: »

Waterford won the game because Austin Gleeson got any with a deliberate pull of the helmet.

That's a pretty ridiculous observation. Whatever about the ins and outs of the actual incident which was right under the official's noses in real time, were the Cork team seriously discommoded?

Right2Write

djPSB wrote: »

The analysis from the pundits is absolutely bolleeex.

The sweeper system is being lorded today.

The reality is that up to 56 minutes, Cork were the better team and looked the most likely winners.

Waterford's system only came to the fore when Cork went down to 14.

The sweeper system was no less or more effective than it had been previously. The difference today was the sending off.

????????????? It was nip and tuck all the way, then Waterford took the game by the scruff of the neck. Goals win games. End of story.

threeball

Right2Write wrote: »

That's a pretty ridiculous observation. Whatever about the ins and outs of the actual incident which was right under the official's noses in real time, were the Cork team seriously discommoded?

Well seen as the sending off of cahalane turned the game in waterfords favour I dont think its unreasonable of him to assume loosing gleeson after 10 mins would have been a game changer.

C__MC

threeball wrote: »

Well seen as the sending off of cahalane turned the game in waterfords favour I dont think its unreasonable of him to assume loosing gleeson after 10 mins would have been a game changer.

Christopher Joyce was badly exposed for the 2nd goal. Game changer mind you.