All Ireland SHC Final (formerly SHC thread) - READ MOD NOTE POST #1

Dionysis

buzzinfly83 wrote: »

Don't get people saying they want Galway to win for Cannings sake when Waterford have a player like Brick who is every bit as deserving as Canning of an All Ireland medal. Add in the fact Waterford haven't won one since 1959 which is a lot longer than Galways drought.

As for the sweeper I get some people don't like it but Waterford scored 4 goals today not bad for a team classified as defensive. Galway will be favourites to win it and are a great team but hopefully Waterford can pull it off.

Let's be clear, the first half was an average to poor spectacle and Cork were in front when Cahalane got sent off. When he did it was man to man cork backs vs Waterford forwards, it was then that Waterford got 3 goals and on top. It proves the point that Shefflin and Duignan have been making, that when man on man, Waterfords team do better, up front, but the extra man is needed at the back to cover the full back who is the weak point on at side. But the spectacle was shocking when it was a sweeper system.

Dionysis

Right2Write wrote: »

????????????? It was nip and tuck all the way, then Waterford took the game by the scruff of the neck. Goals win games. End of story.

Agree totally, and Donal Og was talking sh1*e about it afterwards. The sending off gave waterford the same amount of forwards as cork backs. Which they made hay off, granted Cork defence fell apart structurally without Cahalane.

jelutong

C__MC wrote: »

Frying pan

The arse of a barrel.

TheRiverman

How can anyone defend Austin Gleeson?.It's 100% deliberate.

jelutong

Just watching The Sunday Game . What about the Cork centre back kicking Jamie Barron as he wheeled away having scored the last goal. A red card offence ?
I'm a neutral so I don't have a dog in the fight.

buzzinfly83

Dionysis wrote: »

Let's be clear, the first half was an average to poor spectacle and Cork were in front when Cahalane got sent off. When he did it was man to man cork backs vs Waterford forwards, it was then that Waterford got 3 goals and on top. It proves the point that Shefflin and Duignan have been making, that when man on man, Waterfords team do better, up front, but the extra man is needed at the back to cover the full back who is the weak point on at side. But the spectacle was shocking when it was a sweeper system.

So what your saying is Waterford should play a way that makes the game a more pleasant spectacle for you. 1959 is a long time ago so I'd rather see them play a way that gets them to an all Ireland final. Galway will be big favourites and I'm also not a fan of the sweeper so I'd agree with you on that. My point is you can't blame them for playing in a way that is effective for them.

They tried playing 15vs15 in other games and it ended badly. Waterford have racked up some decent scores for a team that's defensive so I think some of the criticism is unwarranted.

threeball

jelutong wrote: »

Just watching The Sunday Game . What about the Cork centre back kicking Jamie Barron as he wheeled away having scored the last goal. A red card offence ?
I'm a neutral so I don't have a dog in the fight.

It was a red card offence and typical gaa "shur the game is over, we'll let it slide" refereeing. Hate that sh1te, take your beating like a man.

Robson99

Right2Write wrote: »

That's a pretty ridiculous observation. Whatever about the ins and outs of the actual incident which was right under the official's noses in real time, were the Cork team seriously discommoded?

I think if Austin Gleeson was sent off in the first half Cork would have won the game. I would be very surprised if he gets away with it.
A superb individual player but not a great team player. Dont think Galway will be too bothered if he plays or not

TheRiverman

A mighty crowd in Nowlan Park.

C__MC

Robson99 wrote: »

I think if Austin Gleeson was sent off in the first half Cork would have won the game. I would be very surprised if he gets away with it.
A superb individual player but not a great team player. Dont think Galway will be too bothered if he plays or not

The final will be cagey enough. Galway players will be under pressure, can they afford to lose a 3rd in 6 seasons. It really will be nip and tuck. one thing Galway won't do is drive aimless ball on top of the sweeper I.e. Cork today. They will play the wings. The middle third will be crucial both are very strong there. it may well come down to a scoring performance from a lesser known player

Hitchens

the WD goalkeeper didn't have to make a save today ...a weakness in the Cork setup?

Robson99

C__MC wrote: »

The final will be cagey enough. Galway players will be under pressure, can they afford to lose a 3rd in 6 seasons. It really will be nip and tuck. one thing Galway won't do is drive aimless ball on top of the sweeper I.e. Cork today. They will play the wings. The middle third will be crucial both are very strong there. it may well come down to a scoring performance from a lesser known player

Galway are well used of playing against the sweeper system. Plus I think the have the best back line in the country. I think Waterford will struggle to score enough against Galway

TheQuietFella

BonnieSituation wrote: »

They're going to be fierce disappointed.

How so right you were Bonnie!!! :D:D:D:D:D:D:D

mountgomery burns

Clareman wrote: »

After the whining of Waterford in '98 which led to Lynch be suspended it'd be funny to hear them whine if Gleeson gets suspended.

And you're still whining about it...20 years later, when it couldn't be more irrelevant

mountgomery burns

Robson99 wrote: »

I think if Austin Gleeson was sent off in the first half Cork would have won the game. I would be very surprised if he gets away with it.
A superb individual player but not a great team player. Dont think Galway will be too bothered if he plays or not

Do you really think his and Tuohys incident were much different?

munsterlegend

On form to date and presuming it's 15-15 for all the final with Austin to play and Conor Gleeson out, Galway have to be considered favourites. They have the best defensive unit and all Ireland experience together with top class individual forwards.

Of course the pressure could get to them but I think winning it for Tony Keady will be a great motivation.

munsterlegend

mountgomery burns wrote: »

And you're still whining about it...20 years later, when it couldn't be more irrelevant

Gleeson knew exactly what he was doing. Pure brainless stuff like Cahalane's second yellow. It will be a joke if the gaa don't ban Gleeson considering the footage which is damning but they might bottle it.

munsterlegend

jelutong wrote: »

Just watching The Sunday Game . What about the Cork centre back kicking Jamie Barron as he wheeled away having scored the last goal. A red card offence ?
I'm a neutral so I don't have a dog in the fight.

Game was well over then. Whether he got sent off or not hardly had a bearing on the result.

TCDStudent1

macjohn wrote: »

Dan was doing an awful lot of mouthing after the double sending off,
mouthing at the Cork player was he was being walked off by the Cork mentor - totally unnecessary, game was won.
Very poor behaviour
Very poor example.
I hope the Sunday Game highlight it.

I noticed that alright. I wonder was he was saying because it was 100% the Waterford player who started that. Horgan retaliated but got punished. I dont see why Shanahan was walking after them. Maybe he was genuinely trying to offer condolences or something. It looked strange.

munsterlegend

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

I noticed that alright. I wonder was he was saying because it was 100% the Waterford player who started that. Horgan retaliated but got punished. I dont see why Shanahan was walking after them. Maybe he was genuinely trying to offer condolences or something. It looked strange.

Whatever about Dan who is just a lunatic like Davy on the sideline, derek Mcgrath patted Horgan on the back which I think was in recognition of the talent Horgan is(only cork forward who performed) and the softness of the sending off.

Robson99

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Do you really think his and Tuohys incident were much different?

Yes they were chalk and cheese

washman3

Mahony0509 wrote: »

Regarding rumours about the Cork panel, Luke Meade, Alan Cadogan and Shane Kingston were all sick. My father actually talked to Kingston in the Rochestown Pharmacy on Friday!!

If I got a Euro for every time I hear this ****e every time a team is beaten.....!!!
Nowhere more prevalent than in my own county, Limerick.
Seems to be ready-made-excuse.
If a player is sick, leave him at home, use the panel.
End of.

munsterlegend

Robson99 wrote: »

Yes they were chalk and cheese

I think the Waterford blinkers are on for the Gleeson incident. I hope he does play and he might get lucky.

mickmackmcgoo

There's nothing wrong with managers and selectors getting animated on the sidelines once they stay there. They have as much passion as any player. Kieran kingston and Derek McGrath wear their heart on their sleeve just as much as Brian cody or Davy fitz. Dan was commiseratimg with Horgan who was corks best player on the day . Conor Gleeson can have no qualms about been sent off , it was a moment of madness and he will regret it for a long time . Same as Cahalane who warranted his 2 yellow cards. The Sunday game panel particularly Eddie Brennan seemed to sneer at Waterford been in a final but at the end of the day we scored 31 points albeit the sending off of Cahalane was a turning point . As for Anthony Daly well he hardly set Dublin up to play pure hurling and Eddie Brennan was a class hurler but he ain't no pundit or manager either

washman3

munsterlegend wrote: »

Game was well over then. Whether he got sent off or not hardly had a bearing on the result.

But it might have a bearing on next years championship if he gets a 1 match ban for blatantly kicking a player.
He would miss the first championship game next year.

MfMan

Felt sorry for Horgan, Cork's best player, who may have sent off incorrectly. Kingston, (who had already been booked I think), was the third man in - he really should have walked.

As a Galway fan, I hope Austin Gleeson doesn't miss the final - *if* we win, I don't want it thrown in our faces that we beat a weakened Deise team - but I think Waterford may have a bit of talking to do to get him off, and the whole furore might disrupt them in the run up somewhat. I suppose Conor Gleeson is definitely gone?

Robson99

I think Eddie Brennan was honest in his assessment and called it as practically everyone outside of Waterford seen it. Deliberate hand through the guard and pulled the helmet off. Stupid. Fair **** to Eddie Brennan for calling it as he seen it. What did people want ??? Bull**** talk that it would be a poorer final without him??

Powerhouse

munsterlegend wrote: »

Of course the pressure could get to them but I think winning it for Tony Keady will be a great motivation.

Do you seriously believe that a group of players together for several years with all the ebbs and flows involved in that will be motivated by inning it for a man who finished with Galway before a good few of them were born? I'm sure in the aftermath if they win he will be mentioned but I would think that sources of motivation need to be more direct to the individuals concerned. It's a nice sentiment, especially on the day that's in it, but it's just a cliché.

corcaigh07

Amazed that everyone thinks the first red was the turning point.

Cork were looking good 7 minutes after that. Were it not for Joyce foolishly gifting possession in the left corner instead of giving an easy hand pass back to Nash, the Waterford onslaught may not have started in the first place.

Powerhouse

munsterlegend wrote: »

Game was well over then. Whether he got sent off or not hardly had a bearing on the result.

Should players be sanctioned only when it is deemed to have a direct bearing on the result? Conor Gleeson and Horgan were sent off when the game was already decided.