All Ireland SHC Final (formerly SHC thread) - READ MOD NOTE POST #1

MisterAnarchy

C__MC wrote: »

Hard to know where cork are at. A lot of these guys played in the 2014 hammering by Tipp. Their forwards a huge let down

Forwards were poor today, same old failings in the half forward line, couldn't win ball in the air.
The five week layoff did Cork no favours though.

C__MC

Is every manager in GAA blindfolded when a major incident occurs?

citykat

Good closing line from McGrath.

MisterAnarchy

C__MC wrote: »

Is every manager in GAA blindfolded when a major incident occurs?

McGrath clearly saw the helmet pull, it was right in front of him and he was jumping in the air with glee after it.

c montgomery

Morrison J wrote: »

If you get to the final you can win a final. Anyone still saying the sweeper system isn't effective for certain teams is just talking nonsense at this point.

I fancy Galway to beat them as the better team imo but you've got to give credit where it's due to McGrath and even Davy Fitz too. Both achieved far ahead of their expectations with the sweeper system. You can't argue with its results.

Their sweeper system had them a point down when cork had a man sent Off, the sending off is what has them in a final not the sweeper system

dxhound2005

C__MC wrote: »

Is every manager in GAA blindfolded when a major incident occurs?

Thousands of people in Croke Park wouldn't have a clue what happened there. People at home get a far better view with camera closeups.

I said

Tyson Fury wrote: »

Galway are prepping the open top bus as we speak

Leave it out ffs

Gentleman Off The Pitch

C Gleeson had that sending off coming over the last couple of seasons, what a brainless thing to do

Utopia Parkway

Alan Cadogen and Luke Meade were sick coming into the game according to one of the Cork selectors.

MisterAnarchy

Rte not going to bother showing the helmet pull, pathetic stuff.

byhookorbycrook

Declaring as a Cork person (with a Waterford mother) Waterford were better than Cork in the 2nd half but the 2 Waterford incidents- sending off and the helmet - were downright stupid by the Waterford players. I respect Derek McGrath, but he needs to knock a few heads together with these guys.

jive

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Rte not going to bother showing the helmet pull, pathetic stuff.

They showed it at half time, you even watching RTÉ?

Dirty Dingus McGee

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Alan Cadogen and Luke Meade were sick coming into the game according to one of the Cork selectors.

They're sick coming out of it now.

OldMrBrennan83

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citykat

Paul Flynn is wintering well!

Morrison J

c montgomery wrote: »

Morrison J wrote: »

If you get to the final you can win a final. Anyone still saying the sweeper system isn't effective for certain teams is just talking nonsense at this point.

I fancy Galway to beat them as the better team imo but you've got to give credit where it's due to McGrath and even Davy Fitz too. Both achieved far ahead of their expectations with the sweeper system. You can't argue with its results.

Their sweeper system had them a point down when cork had a man sent Off, the sending off is what has them in a final not the sweeper system

Aye had them competitive against a very good team. What's your point?

They've got to the All Ireland final using the sweeper no matter what excuse you throw out there. Wexford got promotion. There's no argument against them using that system. To think it's holding either team back in any way is just ridiculous.

Burial.

Cork fan just back from Croke Park in temporary house for the weekend. Massively disappointed but hats off to Waterford. Got the tactics spot on. The middle line of Ellis/Cooper/Fitzgibbon/Lehane have looked nearly unstoppable all Championship but Waterford played them out of the game for long periods. Brick Walsh rolling back the years these last few games with excellent ball usage and a calm head has been a joy to watch.

I've always been critical of Damien Cahalane, he's been blessed this year by good fortune and fantastic teammates while to be fair raising his own game. Truth is though he's never been a Intercounty standard full back. Absolutely mind bending behaviour from him. Definitely cannot blame him for the loss as a lot of the lads played poor, only Hoggy and Coleman really showing up but the timing of the sending off was crucial.

Equally mind bending was Conor Gleeson. Inexcusable. He'll rightfully miss the final.

Austin Gleeson should miss the final too but I don't think he will. Along with Canning he's the poster boy for Hurling and like Messi and Ronaldo anything to build some drama will be kept. They'll find a way to clear him, no matter what the rules say. In a way it'd be a shame to see him miss the final anyway.

Edit: Forgot to mention Kevin Moran. What a player. A throwback to Ken/Tony/Dan. Monster.

byhookorbycrook

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Rte not going to bother showing the helmet pull, pathetic stuff.

And it was discussed too.

C__MC

Can't wait for the old cliches to ring out in the next few weeks

He's not that type of player
There was no malice in it
He's trained hard all year for an AIF

If you commit the crime, do the time.

c montgomery

Morrison J wrote: »

Aye had them competitive against a very good team. What's your point?

They've got to the All Ireland final using the sweeper no matter what excuse you throw out there. Wexford got promotion. There's no argument against them using that system. To think it's holding either team back in any way is just ridiculous.

They haven't won a title, that the point.
The sweeper system still has not won an all Ireland.
That was your argument, nobody ever said it was holding either team back.

You might want to take a walk to clear your head and give the internet a break for a while.

niallo27

For the neutrals do we not want to see the best players playing. I know rules are rules but it was a nothing incident.

deaddonkey15

niallo27 wrote: »

For the neutrals do we not want to see the best players playing. I know rules are rules but it was a nothing incident.

It was a red card offense. He 100% should be banned for the final.

Morrison J

c montgomery wrote: »

Morrison J wrote: »

Aye had them competitive against a very good team. What's your point?

They've got to the All Ireland final using the sweeper no matter what excuse you throw out there. Wexford got promotion. There's no argument against them using that system. To think it's holding either team back in any way is just ridiculous.

They haven't won a title, that the point.
The sweeper system still has not won an all Ireland.
That was your argument, nobody ever said it was holding either team back.

You might want to take a walk to clear your head and give the internet a break for a while.

But it clearly can win an All Ireland. If it can get you as far as the final it can obviously win it. There is zero logic to your arguement.

OldMrBrennan83

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ShamoBuc

niallo27 wrote: »

For the neutrals do we not want to see the best players playing. I know rules are rules but it was a nothing incident.

Total nonsense !

He deserves a red, all day long.

Neutrals want to see a cracker of a game. That can happen no matter if one top player is missing. It also gives a squad player a chance to start a final, every cloud.

letsseehere14

niallo27 wrote:

For the neutrals do we not want to see the best players playing. I know rules are rules but it was a nothing incident.

As a neutral I want consistency and fairness and the best team to win. I don't want controversy or refereeing decisions to affect results of matches.
It shouldn't matter who he is or how good he is or what match he is due to miss. It was clearly deliberate. If the referee picked it up during the match it was a red card and the whole dynamic of the game would have changed from there.
For me if he is not suspended with such obvious evidence it will make a sham of the gaa and their rules.
He seems to have an undisciplined streak in him and has been lucky to get away with a number of other instances. His luck might just be up on this one. It's a shame as he is so good but his decision making and temperament needs a lot of work. Getting suspended and missing the AI final might be the true making of him as it's a lesson he shouldn't need to learn twice. Unfortunately it might be the undoing of Waterford this year.

jelutong

Should every foul committed that's not seen by the Ref. but caught on camera be subject to trial by TV?

megadodge

Very classy interview by Kingston after the match.

mickmackey1

Doubt if anything will happen. Helmet incidents generally need to be seen in real-time otherwise retrospective action doesn't get taken, witness Harte last week.

Django99

mickmackey1 wrote: »

Doubt if anything will happen. Helmet incidents generally need to be seen in real-time otherwise retrospective action doesn't get taken, witness Harte last week.

Not sure about that, the rule states the interference must be deliberate, and Hartes was clearly not deliberate, so I imagine that's why no action was taken

Gleasons incident looks very deliberate, so much easier to see him getting cited.