All Ireland SHC Final (formerly SHC thread) - READ MOD NOTE POST #1

Utopia Parkway

Django99 wrote: »

Not sure about that, the rule states the interference must be deliberate, and Hartes was clearly not deliberate, so I imagine that's why no action was taken

Gleasons incident looks very deliberate, so much easier to see him getting cited.

Definitely deliberate but I think the GAA will probably run away from this one. Just to avoid the hassle that would inevitably follow.

OldMrBrennan83

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buzzinfly83

Don't get people saying they want Galway to win for Cannings sake when Waterford have a player like Brick who is every bit as deserving as Canning of an All Ireland medal. Add in the fact Waterford haven't won one since 1959 which is a lot longer than Galways drought.

As for the sweeper I get some people don't like it but Waterford scored 4 goals today not bad for a team classified as defensive. Galway will be favourites to win it and are a great team but hopefully Waterford can pull it off.

ShamoBuc

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Definitely deliberate but I think the GAA will probably run away from this one. Just to avoid the hassle that would inevitably follow.

I think the opposite. If they run away from it even more hassle will come in the future. It was deliberate, he should be banned.

macjohn

Surely it is time for GAA to move with the times.

Every time a helmet comes off go the video ref for an instant decision. It will not slow down play. Hawk eye has not slowed down the game and has added to the game - video ref for serious incidences will add to the game and ensure fairness.

letowski

I wish the GAA can calibrate this rule somewhat, maybe find some ways so that you can get a yellow for a innocuous fasemask interference incidents. It could lead to interpretation issues though. It can be a dangerous challenge but the De Burca and Gleeson ones are so harmless.

Having said that I don't know what Gleeson was thinking.

ShamoBuc

buzzinfly83 wrote: »

As for the sweeper I get some people don't like it but Waterford scored 4 goals today not bad for a team classified as defensive. Galway will be favourites to win it and are a great team but hopefully Waterford can pull it off.

Waterford scored about 3-09 after Cork went down to 14 , so it does skew the scoreline a lot.

letowski

macjohn wrote: »

Surely it is time for GAA to move with the times.

Every time a helmet comes off go the video ref for an instant decision. It will not slow down play. Hawk eye has not slowed down the game and has added to the game - video ref for serious incidences will add to the game and ensure fairness.

That's another thing too, I'd love to know the stats but ref's picking up on these incidents must be at around 50-60%. Games are being decided on this rule be the incident been acted on the field by the ref or not, like today.

Utopia Parkway

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Waterford scored about 3-09 after Cork went down to 14 , so it does skew the scoreline a lot.

I think they were only on 1-11 before the red card which is fairly modest scoring. I think they know that won't suffice in the final. Finished with a flourish though with 3-8 down the stretch.

buzzinfly83

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Waterford scored about 3-09 after Cork went down to 14 , so it does skew the scoreline a lot.

Plenty teams go down to 14 and the opposition don't go and bang in 3 goals.

C__MC

Brian gavin has to do better you would think here

TheRiverman

Some shenanigans between team management and officials during the game,heart attack and high blood pressure candidates the lot of them.

Gentleman Off The Pitch

Not the first time this season Austin Gleeson has exaggerated an incident with a view to getting an opponent in trouble, up until now none have been as successful as the incident with Cahalane that earned his first yellow

c montgomery

Morrison J wrote: »

But it clearly can win an All Ireland. If it can get you as far as the final it can obviously win it. There is zero logic to your arguement.

You must be from mayo

Hitchens

So ban both Harte and Gleeson if the GAH are to have credibility ...problem solved.

(sure all the mug punters want to see is how the referee and his officials perform)

Mushy

Gentleman Off The Pitch wrote: »

Not the first time this season Austin Gleeson has exaggerated an incident with a view to getting an opponent in trouble, up until now none have been as successful as the incident with Cahalane that earned his first yellow

A wild one handed swing by cahalane that was. He wasn't getting the sliotar, it was probably closer to red than yellow

ShamoBuc

Both of Cahalanes yellows were 100% deserved, to think otherwise is just incorrect.

jelutong

The second one should have been a straight red.

Gentleman Off The Pitch

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Both of Cahalanes yellows were 100% deserved, to think otherwise is just incorrect.

Until I see it again, I recall Cahalane's first one was a legitimate attempt to play to ball but as he began the swing Gleeson slid himself between and Cahalane leading to him getting a tip and the swing looking wilder than it was.

I'd agree he can have no arguments with the second, a yellow is enough IMO but compared to other similar incidents over the last few seasons that lead to yellow it was much more dangerous

threeball

Austin Gleeson has a petty, nasty streak that leads to him being involved in controversial incidences in most games he plays. In terms of pure talent he's up there with Canning but he acts like an idiot.
He deserves to be banned but probably won't with the Touhy incident being waved away last week. Personally I hope he plays as I'd prefer, as a Galwayman, to face up to their best 15 and Waterford are significantly depleted without Gleeson.

Robson99

Waterford won the game because Austin Gleeson got any with a deliberate pull of the helmet. Simple as that. It was deliberate, his fingers went through the face guard. If the GAA dont suspend him then they will open a complete can of worms. You cannot compare Touhys last week to todays
Waterford down to 14 at the stage of the first half and they would have been in big big trouble
To be honest this face guard rule needs to be seriously looked at as Red cards seem to be harsh punishment . Also in some cases the helmets seem to come off very very easily.

threeball

Gentleman Off The Pitch wrote: »

Until I see it again, I recall Cahalane's first one was a legitimate attempt to play to ball but as he began the swing Gleeson slid himself between and Cahalane leading to him getting a tip and the swing looking wilder than it was.

I'd agree he can have no arguments with the second, a yellow is enough IMO but compared to other similar incidents over the last few seasons that lead to yellow it was much more dangerous

He was lucky he clipped Gleesons knee in the first incidence as if not he probably would have made full contact with the hand and the only outcome in that case would have been broken fingers and a red card.

Hitchens

kinda surprising that Frank Murphy allows 'de rock:' anywhere near the Cork squad

threeball

Robson99 wrote: »

Waterford won the game because Austin Gleeson got any with a deliberate pull of the helmet. Simple as that. It was deliberate, his fingers went through the face guard. If the GAA dont suspend him then they will open a complete can of worms. You cannot compare Touhys last week to todays
Waterford down to 14 at the stage of the first half and they would have been in big big trouble
To be honest this face guard rule needs to be seriously looked at as Red cards seem to be harsh punishment . Also in some cases the helmets seem to come off very very easily.

I don't think a red for Gleeson today would have been harsh. It was malicious and you can seriously hurt a neck doing that. Helmets in general don't come off too handy and you can see the pressure on Meades jaw and neck in the pictures of the incident.
The fact it was a petty/low blow type affair also will count against him. Its not like Meade had wronged him in any way.

Canyon86

Hitchens wrote: »

kinda surprising that Frank Murphy allows 'de rock:' anywhere near the Cork squad

The rock has been coaching underage cork teams with great success the last 2/3 years,

Frank Murphy needs the rock for the development of cork hurling

Robson99

threeball wrote: »

I don't think a red for Gleeson today would have been harsh. It was malicious and you can seriously hurt a neck doing that. Helmets in general don't come off too handy and you can see the pressure on Meades jaw and neck in the pictures of the incident.
The fact it was a petty/low blow type affair also will count against him. Its not like Meade had wronged him in any way.

I didn't say it would have been harsh. But in some cases helmets come off very easily. Not todays. That was deliberate

threeball

Robson99 wrote: »

I didn't say it would have been harsh. But in some cases helmets come off very easily. Not todays. That was deliberate

That's the point I was making. You had said the rule needs to be looked at as a red is harsh and I just pointed out that it would have been well warranted today. Gleeson needs his wings clipped for the crap he's been pulling over the last while but I'd rather see him line out for the final.

Nettle Soup

Hitchens wrote: »

So ban both Harte and Gleeson if the GAH are to have credibility ...problem solved.

(sure all the mug punters want to see is how the referee and his officials perform)

What did Harte do?

mickmackey1

Nettle Soup wrote: »

What did Harte do?

Sorry my mistake, it was Tuohy.

C__MC

I just hate that culture that exists in the GAA regarding suspensions. A lot of people and pundits tweeting this evening that gleeson should get off because it's the biggest game of his career and he is a smashing hurler. Gleeson is a class act no doubt but he was idiotic in what he did today. There is a rule there, it has been broken and he needs to be penalised. I have seen some great soccer players miss high profile finals for suspensions but yes they stood because rules are there: clear as black and white.