Antifa.....the joke that keeps on giving

Depp

20Cent wrote: »

Because the polls were done before they imploded? Conferrnce delegates need police escorts to get into it they are so hated.

Not sure how one could see them needing police protection from thugs as a positive but that says a lot too i guess!

Also the polls are a monthly thing and while you are correct they did dip to around 8% in recent months, they seem to have bounced back from that and are back on the rise, now back to around 11% or so. Your statistics are wrong.


Sky blue line/dots represents the afd

Also important to note many in germany think the actual number may be higher due to the silent voter effect we've seen so far in trump/brexit votes

Sweetemotion

20Cent wrote: »

Because the polls were done before they imploded? Conferrnce delegates need police escorts to get into it they are so hated.

They are hated, by people who hate themselves. No sleep lost.

PraxisPete

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Sweetemotion

PraxisPete wrote: »

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Nice ninja edit.

Help!!!!

20Cent how many refugees do you think Ireland should take in??

Brian?

Help!!!! wrote: »

20Cent how many refugees do you think Ireland should take in??

I think we should meet the commitments we've made as a nation. I think that's 4000 by end of 2017 from Syria. Do you have an issue with that?


I know you didn't ask me.

Depp

Brian? wrote: »

I think we should meet the commitments we've made as a nation. I think that's 4000 by end of 2017 from Syria. Do you have an issue with that?


I know you didn't ask me.

Focus Ireland estimate around 5000 homeless across the country, think the govt's priority should be getting these people sorted before we worry about housing refugees.

Help!!!!

Brian? wrote: »

I think we should meet the commitments we've made as a nation. I think that's 4000 by end of 2017 from Syria. Do you have an issue with that?


I know you didn't ask me.

So no more than that?? Just asking because the way people talk on here, it should be open borders.
The only issue I have is where is the money coming from to house/feed/educate these people?

Help!!!!

Depp wrote: »

Focus Ireland estimate around 5000 homeless across the country, think the govt's priority should be getting these people sorted before we worry about housing refugees.

Yeah this is what I cant understand, theres no money for the homeless, theres no money for HSE etc but sure lets take in some refugees
I think the people of Ireland have been squeezed enough for the last few years that we should be looking after whose here already first

Depp

Help!!!! wrote: »

Yeah this is what I cant understand, theres no money for the homeless, theres no money for HSE etc but sure lets take in some refugees
I think the people of Ireland have been squeezed enough for the last few years that we should be looking after whose here already first

Exactly, at this stage it all looks like virtue signalling to me. I get the idea of bringing in refugees its a great thing to do but whats the point when you have people freezing to death on the streets of our nations capital. I'm 100% behind supporting people in tough situations but why look internationally for them? there are plenty of them here already.

511

Brian? wrote: »

I think we should meet the commitments we've made as a nation. I think that's 4000 by end of 2017 from Syria. Do you have an issue with that?


I know you didn't ask me.

How long should they stay for and where do we house them?

I'm completely against taking in 3rd world refugees because of what happened in Australia in 2000 when they took in Lebanese refugees between 1975 and 1990..

511

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Louise Rosealma wrote:

There needs to be a huge effort to become militarized and act together as a unit, hit the streets in small intimate, directly elected units. Need to be armed and know how to use it. Stop infighting about whose more or less oppressed and fight the common root cause enemy of it all: capitalism.

Brian?

Help!!!! wrote: »

Brian? wrote: »

I think we should meet the commitments we've made as a nation. I think that's 4000 by end of 2017 from Syria. Do you have an issue with that?


I know you didn't ask me.

So no more than that?? Just asking because the way people talk on here, it should be open borders.
The only issue I have is where is the money coming from to house/feed/educate these people?

We should take our fair share, as should all first world countries. In terms of overall budget it's a drop in the ocean.

Brian?

Depp wrote: »

Help!!!! wrote: »

Yeah this is what I cant understand, theres no money for the homeless, theres no money for HSE etc but sure lets take in some refugees
I think the people of Ireland have been squeezed enough for the last few years that we should be looking after whose here already first

Exactly, at this stage it all looks like virtue signalling to me. I get the idea of bringing in refugees its a great thing to do but whats the point when you have people freezing to death on the streets of our nations capital. I'm 100% behind supporting people in tough situations but why look internationally for them? there are plenty of them here already.

"Virtue signalling"? Brilliant. Completely overused and empty phrase. Used by the right to mischaracterise any altruistic ideas. Just because you don't understand altruism, you can't ascribe a meaning that isn't there.

We have plenty of homeless people in Ireland. Money is not the obstacle to resolving the issue though.

Brian?

Help!!!! wrote: »

Brian? wrote: »

I think we should meet the commitments we've made as a nation. I think that's 4000 by end of 2017 from Syria. Do you have an issue with that?


I know you didn't ask me.

So no more than that?? Just asking because the way people talk on here, it should be open borders.
The only issue I have is where is the money coming from to house/feed/educate these people?

Also, nice straw man. I'd say there'll be some heat off him once you burn him.

Who's advocating open borders on this thread?

Seanachai

Brian? wrote: »

"Virtue signalling"? Brilliant. Completely overused and empty phrase. Used by the right to mischaracterise any altruistic ideas. Just because you don't understand altruism, you can't ascribe a meaning that isn't there.

We have plenty of homeless people in Ireland. Money is not the obstacle to resolving the issue though.

You can't realistically deny that there are a lot on the left or people with new liberal attitudes that virtue-signal when it comes to immigration, regular people and some very extreme viewpoints expressed by public figures. The government will agree to take in refugees, not out of compassion but to polish their image. Some will argue that as a wealthy developed nation we should be well able to provide for out homeless as well as a certain number of refugees.

This is an ideal situation where we are not ruled by people who couldn't give a toss about the welfare of current citizens or potential citizens. What will more than likely happen is the skilled refugees will be scooped up to work in the health service and other professions and the non-skilled will be left on the same housing lists that current citizens are on and though they will be free from the dangers of warfare will be thrown on the scrapheap like the rest of the struggling class.

Ulysses Gaze

Seanachai wrote: »

You can't realistically deny that there are a lot on the left or people with new liberal attitudes that virtue-signal when it comes to immigration, regular people and some very extreme viewpoints expressed by public figures. The government will agree to take in refugees, not out of compassion but to polish their image. Some will argue that as a wealthy developed nation we should be well able to provide for out homeless as well as a certain number of refugees.

This is an ideal situation where we are not ruled by people who couldn't give a toss about the welfare of current citizens or potential citizens. What will more than likely happen is the skilled refugees will be scooped up to work in the health service and other professions and the non-skilled will be left on the same housing lists that current citizens are on and though they will be free from the dangers of warfare will be thrown on the scrapheap like the rest of the struggling class.

Which is exactly what the "Model" Swedes have done.

Depp

Brian? wrote: »

"Virtue signalling"? Brilliant. Completely overused and empty phrase. Used by the right to mischaracterise any altruistic ideas. Just because you don't understand altruism, you can't ascribe a meaning that isn't there.

We have plenty of homeless people in Ireland. Money is not the obstacle to resolving the issue though.

Altruism is all well and good but my point still stands, how can we be expected to house and feed 4000 refugees when there are 5000 irish people with no roofs over their heads?l Very noble of the govt. to commit to help syrian refugees but it just all seems a bit like an empty gesture when they're are people sleeping rough up and down the country that they refuse to help.

20Cent

Depp wrote: »

Altruism is all well and good but my point still stands, how can we be expected to house and feed 4000 refugees when there are 5000 irish people with no roofs over their heads?l Very noble of the govt. to commit to help syrian refugees but it just all seems a bit like an empty gesture when they're are people sleeping rough up and down the country that they refuse to help.

A non sequitur, a straw man and a false dilema all in one post.

Bravo.

Depp

20Cent wrote: »

A non sequitur, a straw man and a false dilema all in one post.

Bravo.

so the homelesness crisis in ireland is a false dilemma then? by all means keep patting yourself on the back for how much you care about refugees though, you must be a really good person :rolleyes:

Boom_Bap

Is this thread even still about Antifa or has it been derailed by a discussion on immigration?

20Cent

Depp wrote: »

so the homelesness crisis in ireland is a false dilemma then? by all means keep patting yourself on the back for how much you care about refugees though, you must be a really good person :rolleyes:

It's a false dilemma that we can either help refugees or the homeless but not both.

Depp

20Cent wrote: »

It's a false dilemma that we can either help refugees or the homeless but not both.

That was never my argument, by all means help both, but we should have our own house in order before we consider cleaning up the world, why are the govt. looking to other countries for people to help when they consistently refuse to address the housing crisis we have at home?

Anyway back on topic, how do you feel about the recent calls by antifa members to arm themselves and start bringing guns to marches?

Help!!!!

20Cent wrote: »

It's a false dilemma that we can either help refugees or the homeless but not both.

You do know that the HSE,schools etc are full. Will there be jobs wherever the 4000 are put? Or will they just go on benefits? Top of housing list??
Whatever money is earmarked for refugees would be better spent setting up camps in say Saudi Arabia where it will help more than 4000

Help!!!!

Will you be heading over to France once Marine Le Penn wins? Like a modern day " Wild Geese "

Yourself isit

Brian? wrote: »

"Virtue signalling"? Brilliant. Completely overused and empty phrase. Used by the right to mischaracterise any altruistic ideas. Just because you don't understand altruism, you can't ascribe a meaning that isn't there.

We have plenty of homeless people in Ireland. Money is not the obstacle to resolving the issue though.

During the second world war the UK had massive internal refugee resettlement. Children mostly from cities to countryside. No new houses were being built. It was all private.

It seems though that with the latest crisis there's not that many private householders wanting to put people up, the cost is to be borne by the state or by people on waiting lists, at a time of housing crisis.

Yourself isit

20Cent wrote: »

It's a false dilemma that we can either help refugees or the homeless but not both.

It's not though, is it? The housing crisis is set to get worse, demand will exceed supply, and adding refugees will exacerbate the problem.

Help!!!!

Yourself isit wrote: »

It's not though, is it? The housing crisis is set to get worse, demand will exceed supply, and adding refugees will exacerbate the problem.

Where have all the people gone that said they would take them the refugees in? I'm all for people taking them into their homes if they really want to help. Maybe Liam Cunningham should lead the way, I'm sure his house is big enough for at least a couple of them

Yourself isit

Brian? wrote: »

Simply put, Your opinion is wrong. It's based on incorrect assumptions. Your biggest incorrect assumption is that Marxism is authoritarian in nature. Marxism is anti authoritarian.

I'm calling out your wording because it's frustrating having nonsense thrown at me when I'm trying to engage in a logical fashion. I'm not running out of arguments, I'm making the same one repeatedly as it hasn't been successfully rebutted.

Except no one believes that Marxism is anti authoritarian. It isn't. Either in theory or practice.

Depp

Help!!!! wrote: »

Where have all the people gone that said they would take them the refugees in? I'm all for people taking them into their homes if they really want to help. Maybe Liam Cunningham should lead the way, I'm sure his house is big enough for at least a couple of them

Everyone wants to go to marches and chant but no-one wants to volunteer at shelters to actually help people.