Antifa.....the joke that keeps on giving

pumpkin4life wrote: »

Brian? wrote: »

So is your contention that Stalinism and Maoism were actually practical applications of Marxist theory? Because you haven't actually explained the flaw in my argument, you've merely attacked me with the same tired rhetoric I was attempting to counter.

There is no such thing as a communist ideologies really. There's communism, I.e the end state of Marxism, then there's ideologies influenced by Marxist theory.

Any authoritarian system claiming to be communist is not actually communist, as communism cannot be enforced by a central power. Centralised, authoritarian power is an anathema to communism.

The central tenant of Marxism is that only the workers can set themselves free, no one can do it for them. It's an idea that's completely anti authoritarian, yet it was bastardised by the Bolsheviks to enslave a nation to a central authoritarian party. Mao followed the model in China.

Terrible arguments?

Yeah. Like I said: Communism is socially and economically impossible (with the exception of a handful of lads on a desert island) system and Lenin et al realized this towards the end. When reality is bent back towards communism, then very bad things start to happen. Nietzsche and Dostoevsky warned you lads about this bollox; man applying rationalist, psuedo utopian fantasies and bending reality to accommodate that. It always ends in death.

So when Lenin tried (and Lenin, unlike Stalin, did believe this shìte, he was an academic first and foremost) to apply his dictatorship of the proletariat before the transition into the stateless society he found out that it was economically and socially impossible. Which lead to death, civil war and famine. Then Stalin gets in in 1924 and declares the end point of history. Which also ended in death, civil war and famine. It's the same pattern again and again. Hell, you could probably make the same argument for capitalism: that these days there aren't any capitalist societies in the pure sense of the word, and capitalism converges on corporatism?

Unless you're from the Frankfurt School whereby people have to have their culture changed for glorious revolution to happen?

The only good thing you can say about communist guided systems is that the people suffer under the system so much, that they become immune from a lot of leftist crap when it does fall apart.

Who is going to have a better chance of surviving the next few decades? Ex communist Hungary or extreme left Sweden?

Depp wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Whoever said that should go read a book on the subject of the Soviet Union. It absolutely was communism.

this its stalinism argument is total bollocks.

Stalinism=some greedy capitalist works hard and accumulates wealth, the government takes it from him

Marxism=some greedy capitalist works hard and accumulates wealth, the populace takes it from him

flawed utopian ideology and without it the soviet union never would have happened...but they changed it a little bit but so marx and his insane book get off free again

Depp wrote: »

no you explained nothing to me, you told me i was wrong, went back to the stalinism nonsense and muttered some nonsense about the bolshevics which i dispute, My disagreement with marxism is its a great idea with no practicality, without a strongarm govt to enforce it it will never work outside of small hippy communes. You're welcome to go live this life if you wish, you're an idiot, but you're still welcome to it. Karl Marx was an idiot from a wealthy background with big ideals and little understanding of economics, which is even more ironic given he was a member of the bourgeois he so despised. Just don't use violence to silence those that disagree.