Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

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the weathers a bit better so its back to normal on the roads again. instead of having multiple dangerous passes in the wind and rain its down to just a few per day. i'm sure there were plenty more but these were 2 memorable ones

had a van really squeeze by me while in the bus lane at clarehall


a car give me a lovely punishment pass for having the nerve to stop at a red light while he was trying to use the bus lane to undertake some cars waiting to turn right. this one wasnt as close as some but driver purposely blasted past me as quick as he could and caused me to wobble

HugoMyBoss

Does anyone have any experience of reporting any of these incidents?.

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HugoMyBoss wrote: »

Does anyone have any experience of reporting any of these incidents?.

I by no means want to discourage anybody reporting them, but I have and didnt get too far. The gardai are stretched and lower priority stuff like this just doesnt seem to pique their interest. You'd want to be seriously injured before they give it any priority. I would however advise people to continue to report. Even if it doesnt result in a warning, it's still a reported incident and I optimistically live in hope that if enough incidents are reported, they may be taken more seriously.

Given that we are already at 5 deaths this year in less than 4 months and the fact we're on track to see more this year than last year (already a massive increase), we can only hope to see some drastic enforcement action by Gardai soon.

Panjandrums

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https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057863736/

I'm not encouraging any cross posting or brigading, just weird to see a thread like that when we discuss the risk to us of driver behaviour

benjamin d

Panjandrums wrote: »

It's irrelevant weather or not the accident was attitubuted to the cyclist. Bicycles are still a danger to pedestrians.
Cycling in Dublin City Centre is increasing substantially. So it's likely were going to see more incidents. Figures for the last 20 years aren't worth much anymore.
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/number-of-daily-dublin-cyclists-doubles-to-more-than-95-000-1.3230465%3fmode=amp

A bicycle has the potential to knock someone over and serious injure or kill them.

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/woman-left-critical-in-hospital-after-being-hit-by-cyclist-in-dublin-36736431.html&ved=2ahUKEwj2wcuhpMbaAhUK_qQKHVOMCI8QFjAJegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw3ihqPrc7kczolbAUwLfS4B

Was there really any need to antagonise the bus driver? Did I hear in the video that it was something about the bus blocking a cycle lane?

300 people a year in the USA are killed by toasters. What are you going to do about that?

I'm failing to see what relevant point you're making here other than as cycling becomes more popular you want to punish cyclists for some perceived and completely unsubstantiated danger?

CramCycle

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tommythecat

Panjandrums wrote: »

A bicycle has the potential to knock someone over and serious injure or kill them.

All the knives in my kitchen drawer have the potential to stab someone and seriously injure or kill them.

Get some stats or jog on

Panjandrums

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Moflojo

Panjandrums wrote: »

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A driving license is an acknowledgement of the hazard. A driving license is not a permit to use a public road, because anyone can use a public road, but a driving license is a permit to operate a mechanically propelled vehicle in a public place.

The reason the licensing system exists is because it is acknowledged that mechanically propelled vehicles are dangerous due to their size, mass, materiality, and the extreme forces that they can generate; forces that are fatal to humans and other animals.

A further acknowledgement of the hazards presented by mechanically propelled vehicles is the fact that we don't allow people to operate them publicly until they are at least 17 years of age.

By comparison, we teach our children to cycle at the age of 3, 4, or 5. Nobody in their right mind would teach their child to cycle at that age if they genuinely thought it was as dangerous as operating a mechanically propelled vehicle, just as nobody would teach their child to drive at the age of 5.

Cycling is fundamentally safe, both for the cyclist and anyone they come in proximity with.

Driving is fundamentally dangerous, both for the occupants of the vehicle and anyone in close proximity to it.

Annie get your Run

RacoonQueen wrote: »

A colleague of mine used to work in the same company as the mother of another cyclist who was killed on the roads this year, he only found out in the last week or so about the death and how it happened etc when talking to an old colleague of his. Apparently the driver of the vehicle had a heart attack the following day when he found out that the cyclist had died and driver passed away himself. We can sometimes forget in here the human side of the person driving the vehicle.

See that's the thing that absolutely and completely baffles the hell out of me. What do these drivers (who close pass us, cut us off, endanger etc etc) think the consequences will be if they kill someone? I can never understand how they don't think 'oh my god, I could kill someone'. I know that's what's uppermost in my mind when I'm driving. Their own lives would be ruined forever if they had to live with the consequences. I would hate to have someones death on my hands whether they were partly responsible or not, there is nowhere I need to be that is so important that I can't wait a few mins in order to overtake as safely as possible, or drive at a speed where I can slow or stop when necessary. When did we loose sight of this?

Ray Bloody Purchase

Annie get your Run wrote: »

See that's the thing that absolutely and completely baffles the hell out of me. What do these drivers (who close pass us, cut us off, endanger etc etc) think the consequences will be if they kill someone? I can never understand how they don't think 'oh my god, I could kill someone'. I know that's what's uppermost in my mind when I'm driving. Their own lives would be ruined forever if they had to live with the consequences. I would hate to have someones death on my hands whether they were partly responsible or not, there is nowhere I need to be that is so important that I can't wait a few mins in order to overtake as safely as possible, or drive at a speed where I can slow or stop when necessary. When did we loose sight of this?

I think it's all down to perspective. In a perfect world, I'd love to stick some of those angry motorists out on a bike along the quays, nipping up around Harolds Cross or wherever else there's dangerous places for cyclists. It's all about understanding where each is coming from.

I know that i'm a lot more careful of cyclists whenever i drive now. Which is very rare these days.

Chiparus

Ray Bloody Purchase wrote: »

I think it's all down to perspective. In a perfect world, I'd love to stick some of those angry motorists out on a bike along the quays, nipping up around Harolds Cross or wherever else there's dangerous places for cyclists. It's all about understanding where each is coming from.

I know that i'm a lot more careful of cyclists whenever i drive now. Which is very rare these days.

http://road.cc/content/news/182717-video-how-teach-bus-drivers-give-cyclists-space

Chiparus

HugoMyBoss wrote: »

Does anyone have any experience of reporting any of these incidents?.

Yes, I had a video, which helped, guard called to the driver , she was very embarrassed and apologised, doubt she will do it again.

mr spuckler

HugoMyBoss wrote: »

Does anyone have any experience of reporting any of these incidents?.

close passes, no. I am currently working through the system for a collision which was recorded on my camera and which I reported. it's slowly progressing towards a prosecution.

shootermacg

Near miss today, in a turning land a motorbike came up the outside at speed, I was almost on the white line and he overtook at speed very close.
At the stop, I overtook him stopped and asked him why he nearly took me out, probably accompanied by a few muppet mentions etc.

He invited me to take discussion this to the kerb etc, I gave him the victory salute, to which he drove his bike into the back of mine, screaming... Then sped off straight ahead into the distance, which is weird because we were in a turning lane when he did this. Didn't get his number, because, well..a little shook up.

AndrewJRenko

Panjandrums wrote: »

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Ah please do come back and tell us about the deaths and serious injuries caused by cyclists that you mentioned earlier. I was really looking forward to hearing the facts that informed your view on this.

buffalo

buffalo wrote: »

Only that you said Dublin Bus, I would've assumed it was the Bus Eireann driver I encountered last night. Whitworth Road - totally clear of oncoming traffic, gives about half a meter as the front of the bus overtakes and then pulls back in so I've about 20-30cm clearance from the middle of the bus.

Passed him in traffic, he did the same but worse on the N2. I went around a parked car, nice straight lines to be visible and predictable. He overtook and pulled in toward the kerb before I'd finished my overtake, and (I believe this is the correct wording) I collided with the bus. Thankfully arm only, but I didn't get his reg I was so focussed on staying upright.

Only took BE two weeks to reply about this with a boilerplate response. Are they that snowed under with complaints?

mr spuckler

East wall road on Monday evening :mad:


And tonight - spot the difference. There was also a Garda there keeping an eye on things.


Not the only change since Monday!

magicbastarder

buffalo wrote: »

Only took BE two weeks to reply about this with a boilerplate response. Are they that snowed under with complaints?

any resemblance to this?

Dear Mr. Sexypants,

I refer to your email dated 6th June, 2015 and regret any distress caused to you by one of our services on Saturday 6th June, 2015.

The difficulties experienced by you are most unfortunate. The safety of our passengers and other road users is of paramount importance to Bus Éireann. I was most concerned to note the behaviour of the driver as outlined by you and the lack of courtesy afforded to you on this occasion. Instances as outlined in your email are taken very seriously and investigated thoroughly. We are very conscious of the need to treat all passengers with due care and courtesy at all times and all staff members are required to attend regular customer care courses in this regard.


The driver concerned has been identified and arrangements have been made to interview him regarding this incident as outlined by you. I would like to assure you that this matter will be dealt with accordingly and suitable corrective action taken in order to ensure there is no recurrence of your difficulties.

magicbastarder

mr spuckler wrote: »

Not the only change since Monday!

a handy weather resource:
http://www.taps-aff.co.uk/dublin/

John_Rambo

HugoMyBoss wrote: »

Does anyone have any experience of reporting any of these incidents?.

Hi Hugo, I'm going to quote myself from earlier on in the thread. Mods, I hope that's ok.

John_Rambo wrote: »

I had a punishment pass a few weeks ago. Shockingly close. Caught up with the driver and his first words were "it wouldn't have happened if you were in the cycle lane" I told him the cycle path ended 20 metres back, he just kept repeating himself, telling me it was my own fault, you choose to cycle in the the car lane etc... it got nasty and I cycled off. He drove about three inches behind me until I had to hop up on to the footpath and stop, then he drove of laughing at me.

I called traffic watch, told them what happened. A guard called me on the mobile late that day, was pretty doubtful, told me it would be his word against mine, but I went in anyway and made a strong, truthful statement. Included everything, including my bad language.

The guard called me today to tell me the driver got penalty points and a fine for dangerous driving, or careless driving or something like that. I couldn't really hear him on the phone. He said if the motorist doesn't pay the fine he'll end up in court. Not sure if I will have to go.

This motorist was a mature, healthy, intelligent, wealthy, well spoken, well turned out man in his fifties driving a modern expensive saloon car.

I didn't think the Guard was taking me seriously at first. I just hope, giving recent stories he's telling the truth! I'll keep you informed if anything else comes up.

That was last year. Haven't heard anything since.

Kaisr Sose

John_Rambo wrote: »

Hi Hugo, I'm going to quote myself from earlier on in the thread. Mods, I hope that's ok.



That was last year. Haven't heard anything since.

No surprise. They never let you know the outcome be there is no way of knowing if they even followed up. Its a poor service. Policing and enforcement is thieir space. If they don’t have the resources to do this, then it’s not effective policing.

Saw this earlier when watching tour of Croatia highlights on Eurosport. We've all had moments like this just not when riding a pro race.

https://twitter.com/laflammerouge16/status/986970954587832320

John_Rambo

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

No surprise. They never let you know the outcome be there is no way of knowing if they even followed up. Its a poor service. Policing and enforcement is thieir space. If they don’t have the resources to do this, then it’s not effective policing.

Sorry, maybe I wasn't clear. The driver got penalty points and a fine. The Garda was to get back to me if he contested the result and wanted to go to court. I haven't heard back which makes me presume the driver accepted the fine and points.

So, it was a result.

buffalo

magicbastarder wrote: »

any resemblance to this?

Dear Mr. Sexypants,

How do you know BE's nickname for me!?

Similar but different:

I was very sorry to hear about the incident you encountered. We are investigating the identity of the driver concerned and formal investigation will be carried out. Bus Eireann expects a high standard of driving from all of its drivers and the appropriate disciplinary action and retraining will be carried out with the driver concerned.

I would like to assure you that suitable corrective steps will be taken in order to prevent a recurrence of this nature in the future.

Once again thank you for bringing this matter to our attention, sorry for any inconvenience and distress caused to you on this occasion.

queldy

Commuting from Inchcore to city center, half an hour ago - in front of Guinness, taxi driver coming fast from center lane from behind me decides to give me a punishment pass swerving left (I was on the "bus/cycling lane"), then avoids another car (which was on the bus lane) pulling on the right again to the center lane; this way he managed to overtake one car that was impeding him. So done, he arrives at the traffic light, which were by far red (at least 1 second), slows down, check if he can go anyway, and he does. Next stop for him is the km-long queue after the light. I approach him, he is happily enjoying his ride with his arm out of the window, smiling, wistheling a nice song - I was expecting an angry man in a rush, but no. That was his normal way, I fear he did not even realised the trouble he caused to me, and the trouble he could cause to himself, pedestrians, other riders and drivers.
Happy spring everyone (the mentioned taxi driver included??!?)!

benjamin d

The red light jumping has just gone off the charts recently in my view. Literally every set of lights I approach has a number of cars going through the red, often several seconds after the change and commonly making vehicles with right of way brake hard to avoid a crash. I even get the impression at some junctions that drivers have learned to wait on green for a few seconds because some pr¡ck will take the piss with the red.

I approached a red light yesterday (well gone red before I got there) and was freewheeling into the advance stop box when a taxi and a motorbike blasted past me side by side through the junction.

It's baffling how cyclists jumping the lights is such an issue for drivers to whinge about when as far as I see way more cars do it, and way more dangerously.

RacoonQueen

benjamin d wrote: »

It's baffling how cyclists jumping the lights is such an issue for drivers to whinge about when as far as I see way more cars do it, and way more dangerously.

This is exactly why it annoys me when they bring up cyclists breaking lights. I think because they break it just after it goes red, they don't see it as a problem whereas a cyclist might rock up 20 seconds later and cycle through while they're sitting there

benjamin d

RacoonQueen wrote: »

This is exactly why it annoys me when they bring up cyclists breaking lights. I think because they break it just after it goes red, they don't see it as a problem whereas a cyclist might rock up 20 seconds later and cycle through while they're sitting there

What gets me is that it's not even close to just after it turns red. I've seen people breeze through 5 seconds or even longer after a red, almost to the point where traffic in the other directions is in full flow.