Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

TallGlass

See the cyclist has unfortunately died. RIP. 19 years old, way to young to go. Terrible situation for all.

What is toll so far on road deaths for the year?

AndrewJRenko

Panjandrums wrote: »

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Do you think that maybe we should be focusing our analysis on the actual hits rather than the near misses? Which is your priority?

John_Rambo

Panjandrums wrote: »

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That's what this thread is about. Near misses with large, heavy, fast, ungainly vehicles. Look at the videos, some of them are simply shocking. Analyse them. Your anecdotes are perceived near misses with light, manoeuvrable bicycles.

Truly shocking news for that young man and his family in Dublin today.

Kaisr Sose

Paradicia wrote: »

Does anyone find people who cycle slowly to be more dangerous than people cycling fast -- especially in bike lanes. If someone is going as slow as you can jog or walk, I find that to be really dangerous as it causes people to push out onto the street where cars are.

It’s not dangerous. They are free to cycle at any speed. The onus/responsibility is on the overtaking cyclist to do so safely. If it’s not safe, you wait. Same as driving a car. What’s the hurry that a few seconds waiting matters so much?

Alternatively, get off your bike, and walk/jog on the pavement until you pass them and rejoin the lane ahead. No cars on the pavements. I say that tounge in cheek as they are unlikely to be cycling at 6-8kph (avg walking and jogging pace)

Kaisr Sose

Panjandrums wrote: »

Does he post videos of cyclists going through lights aswell?

Witnessed three close calls this week.
Cyclist mounted the footpath, hitting his handlebar against a pole in the process, lost balance and narrowly missing a pedestrian.

Cyclist ignores a red light on the quays at O Connell bridge,brushing a pedestrian crossing the road, luckily for the cyclist he regains control.

Cyclist runs red light when crossing from Liberty Hall to Custom House Quay, narrowly missing a bus coming from Tara Street, mounted the footpath. He got an ear full of the air horn.

Somebody on a bicycle was killed at that junction today. Please show a bit more respect.

Panjandrums

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CramCycle

Panjandrums wrote: »

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Well the actual outcomes are what lead to stats and should influence decisions rather than emotive anecdotes.

Panjandrums

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CramCycle

Panjandrums wrote: »

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You are correct in regards small enclosed populations. Population stats over 20 years though imply that while an annoyance, cyclists are not a threat to life.

And in no way was I implying that cyclists who do act the maggot should be ignored. I for one want them hammered by the gardai. While they pose little risk to those they come near to, they do pose an unquantifiable risk to every other cyclist as tjwu incite hatred.

Targeting limited public funds against a group who have not been seen to cause any harm is reckless when those funds could be used elsewhere.

Kaisr Sose

Panjandrums wrote: »

My comment was a general comment as apposed to directly refering to that specific junction.
We should not be speculating as to what was the cause of the incident at that junction.

I am not in the slightest bit speculating. Maybe you don’t get how inappropriate it is to then make general comment about cyclists passing red lights when replying to a post that references the site of a fatal incident ?

You come across as not having a clue about what cyclists encounter every single day while obeying the rules of the road. It’s totally shocking and getting worse. I had a motorist nearly drive though me from behind this evening and when I asked he what it was alll about she said they had the right of way. So it’s my fault she has no clue about the rules of the road and that she thinks it’s ok to run someone over if you have the right of way?
This thread is about, cyclists near misses with motor vehicles that are driven by: ( take your pick) selfish, stupid, arrogant, dangerous, stressed, bored, impatient, aggressive – drivers. One near miss today can be tomorrow’s incident. Analysise that if you wish. The reports here speak volumes for the reality on our roads.
To conclude, nobody here is going to support or defend cyclists running red lights – it gives us all a bad name and it’s a fools game. If you want to make that point go to the motoring thread.

Panjandrums

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RacoonQueen

Panjandrums wrote: »

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Law of averages would suggest that at some point a cyclist is going to have a collision with a pedestrian. Here you are saying they are 'caused' by the cyclist rather than considering that perhaps the pedestrian may attribute some of the blame. The cyclist death in the phoenix park for example a couple of years ago where the pedestrian was on the cycle lane. Now none of us know what happened there, but I would feel safe to assume that the pedestrian attributes some blame here.

Panjandrums wrote: »

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I would disagree that the 'vast majority' of drivers are safe. There is far more bad/dangerous/selfish driving out there. I think a lot of people just don't see just how bad it actually is. Perhaps as someone who cycles I'm more aware of it when in the car and notice if more. It's a real bugbear of mine when people put it all down as if it is all equal when talking about 'bad' road users. You only have to look at the huge number of dashcam videos that get posted on youtube and on the motors forum. There is a reason the majority of the vehicles in these are cars and vans rather than bikes and that reason isn't averages/because there are more motor vehicles than pedal cycles.

RacoonQueen

A colleague of mine used to work in the same company as the mother of another cyclist who was killed on the roads this year, he only found out in the last week or so about the death and how it happened etc when talking to an old colleague of his. Apparently the driver of the vehicle had a heart attack the following day when he found out that the cyclist had died and driver passed away himself. We can sometimes forget in here the human side of the person driving the vehicle.

AndrewJRenko

Panjandrums wrote: »

That is incorrect, they're has been several deaths and serious accidents caused by cyclists in Ireland and the UK.
A bicycle however simple is still dangerous.

If targeting a particular group saves lives so be it. The vast majority of cyclists are safe but then so are drivers, but there's always going to be a few bad apples. People take more notice of bad cyclist because they are in the minority.

There has been zero pedestrian deaths caused by cyclists in Ireland in the last 15 years. What serious incidents in Ireland are you referring to?

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Panjandrums wrote: »

That is incorrect, they're has been several deaths and serious accidents caused by cyclists in Ireland and the UK.
A bicycle however simple is still dangerous.

If targeting a particular group saves lives so be it. The vast majority of cyclists are safe but then so are drivers, but there's always going to be a few bad apples. People take more notice of bad cyclist because they are in the minority.

There has been one death attributed to a cyclist in the last 20 years.
Motor vehicles have killed over 4300 people in the same period, maimed and seriously injured several thousands more.
To compare the deadly- ness of motor vehicles to cyclists is laughable at best.

I also struggle to see what the point of your argument has to do with the topic of this thread - which is about the near misses cyclists experience.
Yes there certainly are dangerous cyclists out there, if you spend a bit of time with the stats you'll see they're a danger to themselves. I do not know nor have I ever seen a cyclist crash into the back of a car to prove a point. I'd suggest you spend a bit of time on a bike in traffic to see how ridiculous this is as a proposition.
Are there cyclists out there that lack self preservation? Certainly. They make up a tiny minority of us out there. They can be found across all forms of transport, the difference being they they are, and have been proven to be far, far, far more dangerous in a motor vehicle than a bike.

Again, this thread is about cyclists sharing their experiences on the road. A quick search will bring up several threads on the 'But cyclists are dangerous and do x,y and z' with all the attendant stats to enlighten.

What Username Guidelines

To get back to what cyclists face each day, no idea of the leadup to this, but here's a lovely bus driver that doesnt want to be photographed

https://twitter.com/teamittens/status/986644469213749249

Tombo2001

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

To get back to what cyclists face each day, no idea of the leadup to this, but here's a lovely bus driver that doesnt want to be photographed

https://twitter.com/teamittens/status/986644469213749249

First time I've seen a Dublin bus driver actually notice a cyclist.:P

Slap on the wrist and more training for him.

Kaisr Sose

Panjandrums wrote: »

You are speculating that the incident today had something to do with a red light. I did not purposely reference that junction, it was an oversight. I apologize if you are offended.

If she had a right of way, can the blame really be fully put on the driver? Could you done something different to minimise the conflict?

I know some cyclists that would perfer to run into the back/side of a car to prove their point rather than avoiding a collision at all costs.

Sorry, you mentioned red lights, not me.

The vehicle yesterday came from behind me. I will put that another way so you understand it. I was ahead of them. They had no right of way. She barged through almost under my armpit. I had to get out of the way or I was going to be hit. So my awareness and self-preservation saved me here. I don’t go looking to hit cars to prove a point. It’s a moot point if you end up dead.

I hope I never encounter you when I am out cycling, driving or walking.

CramCycle

Tombo2001 wrote: »

First time I've seen a Dublin bus driver actually notice a cyclist.:P

Thankfully for the bus driver the twitter guy does not seem to want to push charges, unless the cyclist tried to hit him first (window closed so doubtful), that looks like assault. I know it is a stressful job but you simply cannot behave like that.

RebelButtMunch

Tombo2001 wrote: »

First time I've seen a Dublin bus driver actually notice a cyclist.:P

My experience of dublin bus drivers is pretty good actually . They have a tough job to do.

The hop on hop off bus drivers though are horrendous

magicbastarder

probably as good a place as any to put this:

https://twitter.com/CitizenW0lf/status/986870765038505984

tommythecat

Haven’t had a near miss in a long time as my commute is fairly safe and just 5k. But some arsewipe on Leinster road decided to close pass me on the bend coming down towards Rathmines and the lights. So close that I hit the back of the car two Wallops to alert him. Caught him at the lights obviously! Long story short in his mind he decided I was too far out (I was a car doors width) so that excuses him essentially trying to run me over. Similar to the posters experience above about the right of way. Still fuming here.

treade1

There was a cyclist injured on the North Quays this morning sometime before 8:30 am. Ambulance and guards at the scene. Looks like she was hit by a Kavanaghs Bus. Thankfully the cyclist was conscious sitting on the footpath. It looked as if her arm was hurt.

Annie get your Run

treade1 wrote: »

There was a cyclist injured on the North Quays this morning sometime before 8:30 am. Ambulance and guards at the scene. Looks like she was hit by a Kavanaghs Bus. Thankfully the cyclist was conscious sitting on the footpath. It looked as if her arm was hurt.

I passed her too before the ambulance got there, she had plenty of people with her though. Yes there was a Kavanaghs bus stopped but impossible for us to say what happened. I hate that stretch of road because some buses fly along in the bus lane only inches from you thinking it's okay because there's a dotted line dividing the cycle lane from the bus lane, if you've to swerve out for any reason you'd be done for - not saying that's what happened here though.

treade1

The cyclelane at that point is in bad condition. It is possible she swerved out to avoid a hole in the road. It is also possible that the bus started pulling into the bus stop and didn't see her. It is bedlam trying to get down the North Quays every morning. The new layout is of no use to cyclists until you pass the pinch point.

CramCycle

tommythecat wrote: »

Haven’t had a near miss in a long time as my commute is fairly safe and just 5k. But some arsewipe on Leinster road decided to close pass me on the bend coming down towards Rathmines and the lights. So close that I hit the back of the car two Wallops to alert him. Caught him at the lights obviously! Long story short in his mind he decided I was too far out (I was a car doors width) so that excuses him essentially trying to run me over. Similar to the posters experience above about the right of way. Still fuming here.

That's the weird mentality you get from some. They see something that is not in line with their view of how things should be done, typically noticed as a perceived slight, blocking a lane or holding them up (rarely true). This then gives them, in their mind, carte blanche, to do what they want around the other party as that person has given up their right to be treated as another human being. It is a fascinating psychology.

CramCycle

Panjandrums wrote: »

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Please back up your statement with facts, rather than unqualified statements without proof. Deaths involving cyclists/pedestrian interactions is incredibly rare in Ireland. In the last 20 years I know of two, one was the cyclist going the wrong way down a one way street (pedestrian passed away after collision), the other was a pedestrian colliding with a cyclist on a bike path (cyclist passed away).

I see Pedestrians doing stupid illegal **** every day.
I see Cyclists doing stupid illegal **** every day.
I see Motorists doing stupid illegal **** every day.

Only one of these groups has been recorded causing death and injuries in the thousands over the past 20 years, but please, regale me with the thousands of deaths caused by pedestrians and cyclists.

RacoonQueen wrote: »

A colleague of mine used to work in the same company as the mother of another cyclist who was killed on the roads this year, he only found out in the last week or so about the death and how it happened etc when talking to an old colleague of his. Apparently the driver of the vehicle had a heart attack the following day when he found out that the cyclist had died and driver passed away himself. We can sometimes forget in here the human side of the person driving the vehicle.

Indeed, my father in law never recovered completely after his car was hit by a motorbike that attempted an overtake without looking, both rider and passenger died, a friend of my fathers had a pedestrian go under his wheels (ran up the inside while turning an 8 wheeler, tripped and went under the wheels in London). Neither fully dealt with it, the latter person died within a two years as he couldn't face life anymore.

homer911

Paradicia wrote: »

Does anyone find people who cycle slowly to be more dangerous than people cycling fast -- especially in bike lanes. If someone is going as slow as you can jog or walk, I find that to be really dangerous as it causes people to push out onto the street where cars are.

Went to overtake a fellow cyclist on the cycle path/track on the N11 last night. Took a quick glance over my shoulder before maneuvering and quickly decided against it - Bus Eireann X2 bombing up the bus lane, passed within 6 inches of the curb/path and would undoubtedly have hit me in the course of overtaking. I'd love to see all cycle tracks 2m wide!