Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

Danbo! · 11-09-2017 07:40AM

CramCycle wrote: »

Hopefully such an incident will never happen to you again. If it ever happens to me again though, I really hope I have the where with all (I won't), when they inform me of their report, to turn and say. Hang on a second. I will ring the gardai right now. I will tell them my version of events, you tell them yours and then i will, without edit or change, hand over my footage and you can explain my handprint on your window in the context of the video.We can just sit here and wait for them to turn up. Even better we can both escort each other to the nearest garda station, so we don't waste their time with one of being a complete and utter B*llsh*tter.

And then you'll wait an hour and the gardai will refuse to look at the footage, citing "it's a civil matter" :pac:

Chuchote · 11-09-2017 07:47AM

Danbo! wrote: »

And then you'll wait an hour and the gardai will refuse to look at the footage, citing "it's a civil matter" :pac:

Someone trying to kill you is a civil matter? Should be start totin' if the Gardaí aren't going to defend us from murder?

Borderfox · 11-09-2017 08:19AM

Chuchote wrote: »

Someone trying to kill you is a civil matter? Should be start totin' if the Gardaren't going to defend us from murder?

Someone trying to kill you is a criminal matter but someone in a car trying to kill you is your fault (according to most media in Ireland)

Danbo! · 11-09-2017 08:21AM

Chuchote wrote: »

Someone trying to kill you is a civil matter? Should be start totin' if the Gardaí aren't going to defend us from murder?

There was a hint of sarcasm with the :pac: but unfortunately from recent experience, a hint of truth too.

Chuchote · 11-09-2017 09:17AM

There's a nice mini-study for some linguistic student in the language used for different kinds of 'accidents' and confrontations.

Drivers who scream abuse at lollipop ladies, for example, are 'irate' (= ah sure why wouldn't he be cross) whereas cyclists who near-miss pedestrians are "avid cyclists" "ploughing through" crowds.

Idleater · 11-09-2017 09:50AM

CramCycle wrote: »

Even better we can both escort each other to the nearest garda station, so we don't waste their time with one of being a complete and utter B*llsh*tter.

This failed for me. I said in similar vein to a taxi driver along the quays to head to the nearest garda station to view his dashcam with audio of him verbally elaborating how "I was looking to get myself killed" as he pulled out from picking up a fare.

"Store Street? Pearse Street?"
no dice, "the fare was to Brooks hotel".
"Kevin street so - I can go with you all the way".
"nah, sure with the traffic I'll be held up for hours" - cue the fare looking :eek:

CramCycle · 11-09-2017 10:46AM

Chuchote wrote: »

There's a nice mini-study for some linguistic student in the language used for different kinds of 'accidents' and confrontations.

Drivers who scream abuse at lollipop ladies, for example, are 'irate' (= ah sure why wouldn't he be cross) whereas cyclists who near-miss pedestrians are "avid cyclists" "ploughing through" crowds.

People who shout at lollipop people are scum, pretty sure it is in the dictionary. The people who continue through as lollipop people step out are scummier scum. I see this behaviour on the N11 and on the backroads around Stillorgan, and it is disgusting.

magicbastarder · 11-09-2017 10:49AM

i may have mentioned it before, but i was talking to a chap from dublin fire brigade who has been spat on multiple times by passing motorists, when attending RTCs on the M50, as he is clearly the reason he has been held up.

CramCycle · 11-09-2017 11:29AM

magicbastarder wrote: »

i may have mentioned it before, but i was talking to a chap from dublin fire brigade who has been spat on multiple times by passing motorists, when attending RTCs on the M50, as he is clearly the reason he has been held up.

Reminds me of the time an ambulance asked me to stand further up the road to explain to waiting cars that there was a woman on the road with a potential spinal injury. Well if a member of Irish rail didn't go ballistic, apparently his waiting train was more important than this persons potentially broken spine.

Borderfox · 11-09-2017 11:31AM

CramCycle wrote: »

Reminds me of the time an ambulance asked me to stand further up the road to explain to waiting cars that there was a woman on the road with a potential spinal injury. Well if a member of Irish rail didn't go ballistic, apparently his waiting train was more important than this persons potentially broken spine.

That leaves me speechless

Danbo! · 11-09-2017 11:34AM

magicbastarder wrote: »

i may have mentioned it before, but i was talking to a chap from dublin fire brigade who has been spat on multiple times by passing motorists, when attending RTCs on the M50, as he is clearly the reason he has been held up.

That is insane.

A few years back, a cyclist cycled directly into the back of my car while stopped in traffic. He was going pretty quick, obviously distracted, and ended up laid out on the road. I got out, was helping him up as he apologised profusely, checking damage, etc, and the guy behind just lays on the horn for a good five seconds. Even when we both turned and looked, just beeeeeeeep. Fair enough if it was a few cars back and they couldn't see what happened, but no, this guy was in a hurry and just couldn't give a ****.

amcalester · 11-09-2017 11:34AM

CramCycle wrote: »

Reminds me of the time an ambulance asked me to stand further up the road to explain to waiting cars that there was a woman on the road with a potential spinal injury. Well if a member of Irish rail didn't go ballistic, apparently his waiting train was more important than this persons potentially broken spine.

There was a news story recently that lollipop people were being trained in conflict resolution due to the number of incidents with aggressive motorists.

And separately the guards were called to 2 such incidents in the last week.

On Wednesday, a school traffic warden in Fingal was verbally abused by an irate motorist when asked to move their car, which had been parked illegally in the vicinity of a school crossing.

The car's wing mirror then hit the warden as it was quickly driven off in an aggressive manner.
Gardai were informed of the incident and had a visible presence at the school on Thursday.

On Thursday morning, a car drove through a school crossing in Swords only seconds after a group of children had crossed the road.

The car then narrowly missed hitting the school traffic warden, who was in the process of returning to the pavement.

This incident has also been reported to gardai.

I wonder if Newstalk are going to start stoking a lollipop lady v motorist debate.

I can just hear Hook talking about the rampaging lollipop ladies wantonly waving their signs.

Borderfox · 11-09-2017 11:42AM

amcalester wrote: »

There was a news story recently that lollipop people were being trained in conflict resolution due to the number of incidents with aggressive motorists.

And separately the guards were called to 2 such incidents in the last week.

I wonder if Newstalk are going to start stoking a lollipop lady v motorist debate.

I can just hear Hook talking about the rampaging lollipop ladies wantonly waving their signs.

They don't stop at Zebra crossings up my way, had a couple of drivers wave at me while waiting to cross.

On the way down the r147 on Sunday morning I got two close passes by ambulance vehicles while in the hard shoulder heading south

Pinch Flat · 11-09-2017 11:55AM

Danbo! wrote: »

That is insane.

A few years back, a cyclist cycled directly into the back of my car while stopped in traffic. He was going pretty quick, obviously distracted, and ended up laid out on the road. I got out, was helping him up as he apologised profusely, checking damage, etc, and the guy behind just lays on the horn for a good five seconds. Even when we both turned and looked, just beeeeeeeep. Fair enough if it was a few cars back and they couldn't see what happened, but no, this guy was in a hurry and just couldn't give a ****.

We had it on a club spin December one year in Dunshaughlin. Guy who hit us overtaking was obviously intoxicated - he overtook the group, then veered left, taking the first few riders down. One young girl cycling with us - around
16 from memory - went over the bars was laid our on the ground,dazed and injured. We were tending to her when some yoke in a Range Rover, coming the other way and having witnessing the whole accident, eager to get to Sunday services, laid on the horn and asked us to move her out of her way. Continues verbals out of the window as she drove up the drive to the church. Then probably went in to proclaim how Christian she was....:rolleyes:

The lolly pop ladies around my way get abuse as well and pedestrian / raised crossings are frequently abused / ignored - not unusual to hear the odd beep from cars, eager to get past and into that long queue up ahead. One more than one occasion, I've seen motorists force their way through, when the lolly pop lady is already in the middle of the road at a red light, again to join a queue of cars the other side of her. Cars really do bring out the worst in some people.

check_six · 11-09-2017 12:01PM

amcalester wrote: »

There was a news story recently that lollipop people were being trained in conflict resolution due to the number of incidents with aggressive motorists.

Really hope this training involves being shown how to really swing the 'lollipop' at the nutters. Some kind of Pop Fu would be good.

amcalester wrote: »

I wonder if Newstalk are going to start stoking a lollipop lady v motorist debate.

I can just hear Hook talking about the rampaging lollipop ladies wantonly waving their signs.

That fella would be the first to shout out the window at one. He'd be the first to get popped with a lollipop if I can get my Pop Fu Dojo up and running!

Chuchote · 11-09-2017 12:49PM

amcalester wrote: »

There was a news story recently that lollipop people were being trained in conflict resolution due to the number of incidents with aggressive irate motorists.

FYP. Irate, that's the word they use, not aggressive, lunatic, dangerous, self-entitled or psychopathic.

amcalester · 11-09-2017 12:59PM

Chuchote wrote: »

FYP. Irate, that's the word they use, not aggressive, lunatic, dangerous, self-entitled or psychopathic.

Yeah you're right, I must remember not to deviate from the accepted narrative.

Pinch Flat · 11-09-2017 12:59PM

Chuchote wrote: »

FYP. Irate, that's the word they use, not aggressive, lunatic, dangerous, self-entitled or psychopathic.

I think using "irate" is an attempt to dumb down the incidents, They were irate because they were late, the inference they shouldn't be interrupted by school kids crossing safely to get to the school, irate because the heavy traffic (that they;re contributing to) was heavy, etc.

Arcade_Tryer · 11-09-2017 06:40PM

Borderfox wrote: »

Someone trying to kill you is a criminal matter but someone in a car trying to kill you is your fault (according to most media in Ireland)

Indeed. A car's primary function of transporting people from one place to another apparently takes precedent over a car being used as a lethal weapon towards cyclists during the course of a journey, which is only a secondary, more minor matter, if even that.

John_Rambo · 11-09-2017 09:29PM

I had a punishment pass a few weeks ago. Shockingly close. Caught up with the driver and his first words were "it wouldn't have happened if you were in the cycle lane" I told him the cycle path ended 20 metres back, he just kept repeating himself, telling me it was my own fault, you choose to cycle in the the car lane etc... it got nasty and I cycled off. He drove about three inches behind me until I had to hop up on to the footpath and stop, then he drove of laughing at me.

I called traffic watch, told them what happened. A guard called me on the mobile late that day, was pretty doubtful, told me it would be his word against mine, but I went in anyway and made a strong, truthful statement. Included everything, including my bad language.

The guard called me today to tell me the driver got penalty points and a fine for dangerous driving, or careless driving or something like that. I couldn't really hear him on the phone. He said if the motorist doesn't pay the fine he'll end up in court. Not sure if I will have to go.

This motorist was a mature, healthy, intelligent, wealthy, well spoken, well turned out man in his fifties driving a modern expensive saloon car.

I didn't think the Guard was taking me seriously at first. I just hope, giving recent stories he's telling the truth! I'll keep you informed if anything else comes up.

ED E · 11-09-2017 10:08PM

amcalester wrote: »

And separately the guards were called to 2 such incidents in the last week.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/car-crashes-into-creche-after-driver-loses-control-36120625.html

"A car crashed into a creche in Co Waterford this morning after the driver lost control when entering the car park.
The incident happened at First Steps Creche in the Ballybeg area at around 9.30am."

Arcade_Tryer · 11-09-2017 11:16PM

John_Rambo wrote: »

I had a punishment pass a few weeks ago. Shockingly close. Caught up with the driver and his first words were "it wouldn't have happened if you were in the cycle lane" I told him the cycle path ended 20 metres back, he just kept repeating himself, telling me it was my own fault, you choose to cycle in the the car lane etc... it got nasty and I cycled off. He drove about three inches behind me until I had to hop up on to the footpath and stop, then he drove of laughing at me.

I called traffic watch, told them what happened. A guard called me on the mobile late that day, was pretty doubtful, told me it would be his word against mine, but I went in anyway and made a strong, truthful statement. Included everything, including my bad language.

The guard called me today to tell me the driver got penalty points and a fine for dangerous driving, or careless driving or something like that. I couldn't really hear him on the phone. He said if the motorist doesn't pay the fine he'll end up in court. Not sure if I will have to go.

This motorist was a mature, healthy, intelligent, wealthy, well spoken, well turned out man in his fifties driving a modern expensive saloon car.

I didn't think the Guard was taking me seriously at first. I just hope, giving recent stories he's telling the truth! I'll keep you informed if anything else comes up.

You'll have to provide some sort of evidence for that.

Borderfox · 12-09-2017 12:08AM

ED E wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/car-crashes-into-creche-after-driver-loses-control-36120625.html

"A car crashed into a creche in Co Waterford this morning after the driver lost control when entering the car park.
The incident happened at First Steps Creche in the Ballybeg area at around 9.30am."

It was only a bit of structural damage :-?

randomname2005 · 12-09-2017 07:56AM

amcalester wrote: »

There was a news story recently that lollipop people were being trained in conflict resolution due to the number of incidents with aggressive motorists.

And separately the guards were called to 2 such incidents in the last week.

I wonder if Newstalk are going to start stoking a lollipop lady v motorist debate.

I can just hear Hook talking about the rampaging lollipop ladies wantonly waving their signs.

Hook annoys me as much as he does the next sensible person, but to give credit where credit is due, he had a lollipop person in studio recently and was highlighting this very issue and talking about the conflict training.

Although I wouldn't be surprised if he soon started going on about how pedestrians don't pay "road tax" and shouldn't be crossing the road.

plodder · 12-09-2017 08:26AM

John_Rambo wrote: »

I had a punishment pass a few weeks ago. Shockingly close. Caught up with the driver and his first words were "it wouldn't have happened if you were in the cycle lane" I told him the cycle path ended 20 metres back, he just kept repeating himself, telling me it was my own fault, you choose to cycle in the the car lane etc... it got nasty and I cycled off. He drove about three inches behind me until I had to hop up on to the footpath and stop, then he drove of laughing at me.

I called traffic watch, told them what happened. A guard called me on the mobile late that day, was pretty doubtful, told me it would be his word against mine, but I went in anyway and made a strong, truthful statement. Included everything, including my bad language.

The guard called me today to tell me the driver got penalty points and a fine for dangerous driving, or careless driving or something like that. I couldn't really hear him on the phone. He said if the motorist doesn't pay the fine he'll end up in court. Not sure if I will have to go.

This motorist was a mature, healthy, intelligent, wealthy, well spoken, well turned out man in his fifties driving a modern expensive saloon car.

I didn't think the Guard was taking me seriously at first. I just hope, giving recent stories he's telling the truth! I'll keep you informed if anything else comes up.

Fair play for following through with that. It shows the system does work. If it does go to court, you will have to attend and give your side of it again, but I'd say there is a fair chance, after cooling down and reflecting on it, he'll suck up the points and the fine. Dangerous driving is a pretty serious offence. Even careless driving is not great to have on your record. Regardless of how it ends up, he'll think twice before acting in such an obnoxious manner again.

Chuchote · 12-09-2017 08:31AM

I've taken to setting the helmet camera backwards to an angle so it focuses on cars coming up behind me. Strangely, it seems to make some drivers behave more carefully.

Meanwhile… I was talking to someone who was worried about her student son because he can never remember his bike lights and doesn't bother with hi-viz, so she's bought him a car and paid €1,000+ for a year's insurance… :eek:

07Lapierre · 12-09-2017 08:44AM

Chuchote wrote: »

I've taken to setting the helmet camera backwards to an angle so it focuses on cars coming up behind me. Strangely, it seems to make some drivers behave more carefully.

Meanwhile… I was talking to someone who was worried about her student son because he can never remember his bike lights and doesn't bother with hi-viz, so she's bought him a car and paid €1,000+ for a year's insurance… :eek:

Clever Boy!

amcalester · 12-09-2017 08:47AM

ED E wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/car-crashes-into-creche-after-driver-loses-control-36120625.html

"A car crashed into a creche in Co Waterford this morning after the driver lost control when entering the car park.
The incident happened at First Steps Creche in the Ballybeg area at around 9.30am."

I saw that, crazy stuff. The car lost control in the car park, I wonder if the driver's foot slipped and then slammed on the accelerator or something like that. You see those clips of cars in car parks slowly pulling into a space and then all of a sudden lurching forward and the next thing the car is sitting on another car's bonnet.

First time cycling in since the schools went back and was surprised by how much traffic there was but pleasantly surprised that everyone seemed to be behaving themselves until...a car turned left across me without indicating or checking mirrors.

I'm always surprised how loud I can roar when a car does that.

Chuchote · 12-09-2017 08:55AM

07Lapierre wrote: »

Clever Boy!

Not so clever that this gormless youth is now at the wheel of 1.5 tons of metal sharing the road with me.

CramCycle · 12-09-2017 11:19AM

Car pulled across me on the N11 and I let a half garbled roar. In his defence, he pulled up at the next lights to reassure me he was not going to encroach on the cycle lane and was sorry for scaring me. I said it was grand, just couldn't tell and got a fright.

I should have pointed out that he indicated as he began the turn, but more importantly, I wasn't in the cycle lane. I was in the bus lane, and I had to swerve out of his way. I kind of just let his lack of observation away because he had the good grace to slow down and engage in a polite and civilised fashion.

Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

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