Hail To The Chief (Read Mod Warning In OP)

darkpagandeath

A Little Pony wrote: »

Exactly. Celebrity talked about blowing up the white house. Its been a disaster of an 18 months for the left in Western politics. They had a good run and now the right is in charge.

I know they are American and don't really get Irony. But what's happening with the left loosing their minds and actions. Is exactly what was peddled in the election on Hillarys side said would happen If Trump lost.

moneymad

Christy42 wrote: »

Are you just deciding to ignore the aging population in the US which might be why the labour participation force is dropping. Note that the majority of the decrease in the labour force can be explained by the increase in over 65s.

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.POP.65UP.TO.ZS?locations=US

This is my understanding of it all.
Country A has a population of 100 people.
5 people are unemployed. The unemployment rate is 5%
If 50 of those 100 retire or stop looking for work, the unemployment rate is now 10%. Most older people are still working. People on disability and college students living off of student loans have gone way up in recent years.
As i said, Trump wouldn't be in the whitehouse if the rate was <5%. It's pure fiction.

moneymad

fryup wrote: »

well at least his keeping to his campaign promises...how many politicians can you say that about??

haha thats true. And they were only saying that on the radio today. Very unusual.

MightyMandarin

darkpagandeath wrote: »

And Hillary would have ?

Kept it the same/made it worse. I've maintained many, many times I would not have voted for Hillary.

darkpagandeath

MightyMandarin wrote: »

Kept it the same/made it worse. I've maintained many, many times I would not have voted for Hillary.

Soooo, The options were to fix this ?

super_furry

Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

This is what Trump is breeding - https://thinkprogress.org/islamic-center-of-victoria-fire-8a683f632a7a#.kh8koqyzj

MightyMandarin

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Soooo, The options were to fix this ?

Vote Trump, hope he ****s it up terribly for average americans and the DNC get their **** together. It's a long shot, but it's the only way America can even hope to get back to its glory days imo.

Hank Scorpio

This is a decent video showing how easy it is to manipulate the voting system in the US.

Little CuChulainn

This is the same group who posted a video of people supposedly planning to disrupt the inauguration. Then it turned out they sent one of their own to offer money to people to disrupt it.

Hank Scorpio

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

This is the same group who posted a video of people supposedly planning to disrupt the inauguration. Then it turned out they sent one of their own to offer money to people to disrupt it.

People were arrested because of that video, I don't see the relevance. You're talking about something else I think.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/20/police-arrested-activist-scott-ryan-charney-featur/

Oh edit: Yeah they claimed it was a joke, I don't buy that.

Richard Hillman

super_furry wrote: »

Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

This is what Trump is breeding - https://thinkprogress.org/islamic-center-of-victoria-fire-8a683f632a7a#.kh8koqyzj

Americans still have the exact same liberty as they had last week.

Christy42

moneymad wrote: »

This is my understanding of it all.
Country A has a population of 100 people.
5 people are unemployed. The unemployment rate is 5%
If 50 of those 100 retire or stop looking for work, the unemployment rate is now 10%. Most older people are still working. People on disability and college students living off of student loans have gone way up in recent years.
As i said, Trump wouldn't be in the whitehouse if the rate was <5%. It's pure fiction.

You understanding is correct. Your figures are wrong though.

If the above situation happened your graph would show an unemployment rate of 55% as it is counting the retired as unemployed which is fudging the figures to suit your ideas.

You have made many declarations as to what the unemployment rate is with no (serious) evidence to back it up. You have fought to argue that the unemployment rate is what you want it to be.

Your graph showed what the unemployment rate would be if you assume there are no more retired people or disabled people than 8 years ago which is not true.

darkpagandeath

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Americans still have the exact same liberty as they had last week.

Apparently Abortion is going to be made Illegal I have heard.

C. Montgomery Gurns

MightyMandarin wrote: »

Ah come on ffs, try harder than that.

Why defend McDonalds or WalMart? Why can't they pay their workers a wage which is fair?

Oh FFS.

In order to be, relatively speaking, cheap to buy, McDonalds pays staff minimum wage. You think McDonalds staff in Ireland should be paid 18.50 an hour? Far more than most qualified tradesmen or chefs would earn? Fair enough- your Big Mac meal now costs 13 euro. Bringing the kids and wife for happy meals and a McChicken meal for yourself and her now leaves you with not much change from a 50. Pretty soon a McDonalds family treat goes from twice a month to strictly on the kids birthday and at Christmas. The teenagers eating there three times a week can no longer afford it. Ergo, the company goes bust.

They do pay a fair wage. A fair wage to the 95 percent of their staff who are under 22, childless, live locally and at most have to pay a household contribution to their parents rather than actual rent.

The economic illiteracy of the left never ceases to amaze me.

wildgreen

Leroy42 wrote: »

IMO it will work in the short term and over 5/10 years America will look back and wonder how it all went wrong.

He may well be the latest Last Emperor.

Tombi!

moneymad, MightyMandarin
Play nice. Both of you took shots at each other. Don't do it again. Either be civil or don't pos

MightyMandarin

C. Montgomery Gurns wrote: »

Oh FFS.

In order to be, relatively speaking, cheap to buy, McDonalds pays staff minimum wage. You think McDonalds staff in Ireland should be paid 18.50 an hour? Far more than most qualified tradesmen or chefs would earn? Fair enough- your Big Mac meal now costs 13 euro. Bringing the kids and wife for happy meals and a McChicken meal for yourself and her now leaves you with not much change from a 50. Pretty soon a McDonalds family treat goes from twice a month to strictly on the kids birthday and at Christmas. The teenagers eating there three times a week can no longer afford it. Ergo, the company goes bust.

They do pay a fair wage. A fair wage to the 95 percent of their staff who are under 22, childless, live locally and at most have to pay a household contribution to their parents rather than actual rent.

The economic illiteracy of the left never ceases to amaze me.

You call people like myself 'economically illiterate' yet you seem to have misunderstood the meaning of what a minimum wage is. If the min. wage is 18.50, and McDonalds pays their workers minimum wage, how could McDonald's workers earn more than any tradesman or chef, since they too would be paid the same at least?

Your argument is pointless anyway, since I haven't advocated for an increase in Ireland, nor to 18.50 either.

And for God's sake stop thinking everyone who works at McDonalds is 17.

Billy86

moneymad wrote: »

This is my understanding of it all.
Country A has a population of 100 people.
5 people are unemployed. The unemployment rate is 5%
If 50 of those 100 retire or stop looking for work, the unemployment rate is now 10%. Most older people are still working. People on disability and college students living off of student loans have gone way up in recent years.
As i said, Trump wouldn't be in the whitehouse if the rate was <5%. It's pure fiction.

You might have missed the post when I asked last time, so I'll ask again - why do you think a lower percentage of people over 65 are employed than people under the age of 65?

Christy42

C. Montgomery Gurns wrote: »

Oh FFS.

In order to be, relatively speaking, cheap to buy, McDonalds pays staff minimum wage. You think McDonalds staff in Ireland should be paid 18.50 an hour? Far more than most qualified tradesmen or chefs would earn? Fair enough- your Big Mac meal now costs 13 euro. Bringing the kids and wife for happy meals and a McChicken meal for yourself and her now leaves you with not much change from a 50. Pretty soon a McDonalds family treat goes from twice a month to strictly on the kids birthday and at Christmas. The teenagers eating there three times a week can no longer afford it. Ergo, the company goes bust.

The economic illiteracy of the left never ceases to amaze me.

Any way to back up the fact that a big Mac would go up 8 quid?

Can the minimum wage not increase at all without hitting 18.50?

Also how close are McDonald's to the bread line? You seem to think they are exceptionally close running a razor tight profit margin.

You raise the same argument that has been raised 1000 times before from the right before any increase in minimum wage or even the introduction of it. It sounds great off a soap box or a pub stool. Less so against actual economic figures and facts.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/minimum-wage-effect-on-jobs-2016-5?client=ms-android-h3g-ie

C. Montgomery Gurns

MightyMandarin wrote: »

You call people like myself 'economically illiterate' yet you seem to have misunderstood the meaning of what a minimum wage is. If the min. wage is 18.50, and McDonalds pays their workers minimum wage, how could McDonald's workers earn more than any tradesman or chef, since they too would be paid the same at least?

.

Because if McDonalds staff earn 18.50 an hour

a- Nobody will bother doing a 4 year apprenticeship, or

b- To retain/ attract staff, the going rate for a tradesman will go up to 30 euro per hour.

It's a bit like Leo Varadkar's minimum pricing plan. If the likes of Dutch Gold go up to 2 euro a can, the brand name beers will chance their arm and try to go up to 3 euro a can. After 3 months either the brand name beers will drop back to their regular pricing due to loss of sales or the DG type beers will fold because it now costs the exact same to drink a nicer beer.

Billy86

C. Montgomery Gurns wrote: »

Oh FFS.

In order to be, relatively speaking, cheap to buy, McDonalds pays staff minimum wage. You think McDonalds staff in Ireland should be paid 18.50 an hour? Far more than most qualified tradesmen or chefs would earn? Fair enough- your Big Mac meal now costs 13 euro. Bringing the kids and wife for happy meals and a McChicken meal for yourself and her now leaves you with not much change from a 50. Pretty soon a McDonalds family treat goes from twice a month to strictly on the kids birthday and at Christmas. The teenagers eating there three times a week can no longer afford it. Ergo, the company goes bust.

They do pay a fair wage. A fair wage to the 95 percent of their staff who are under 22, childless, live locally and at most have to pay a household contribution to their parents rather than actual rent.

The economic illiteracy of the left never ceases to amaze me.

In Australia McDonalds staff get paid the minimum wage of $17.70 (and people on the working holiday visa actually have an even higher min wage, of effectively $21.00 give or take a few pennies) - approx $35,000 a year. That $17.70 comes out to €12.50 (so approx €25,000 a year, full time) or USD $13.37 (approx $26,500). When the Aussie dollar was the same strength as the US (actually stronger, if I recall) about worth about €0.87 or so the min wage was at the same rate.

By comparison, min wage in the US is $7.25, which is about $14,500 per year working full time.

(handy tip for anyone job hunting - multiply hourly rate by 2,000 to get a pretty accurate estimate of what that works out to as an annual salary!)

C. Montgomery Gurns

Billy86 wrote: »

In Australia McDonalds staff get paid the minimum wage of $17.70 (and people on the working holiday visa actually have an even higher min wage, of effectively $21.00 give or take a few pennies) - approx $35,000 a year. That $17.70 comes out to €12.50 (so approx €25,000 a year, full time) or USD $13.37 (approx $26,500). When the Aussie dollar was the same strength as the US (actually stronger, if I recall) about worth about €0.87 or so the min wage was at the same rate.

By comparison, min wage in the US is $7.25, which is about $14,500 per year working full time.

(handy tip for anyone job hunting - multiply hourly rate by 2,000 to get a pretty accurate estimate of what that works out to as an annual salary!)

And from memory my friends who went there with trades were typically on about 25 euros per hour, or twice the minimum wage. There aren't many tradesmen in Ireland taking in twice our minimum wage- only the other week I was watching that Generation F'd documentary where a site manager was saying he was grateful to clear 600 per week. A site manager in Australia would typically be on a six figure sum, in dollars at least.

Leftist economic illiteracy again rears its head.

Billy86

C. Montgomery Gurns wrote: »

And from memory my friends who went there with trades were typically on about 25 euros per hour, or twice the minimum wage. There aren't many tradesmen in Ireland taking in twice our minimum wage- only the other week I was watching that Generation F'd documentary where a site manager was saying he was grateful to clear 600 per week. A site manager in Australia would typically be on a six figure sum, in dollars at least.

Leftist economic illiteracy again rears its head.

On a quick check, the average electrician rate compared to min wage:

Ireland, min wage is €9.25 - average electrician makes €17.84 - 192% of min wage.
Australia, min wage is $17.70 (€12.50) - average electrician makes $30.24 (€21.35) - 170% of min wage.
USA, min wage is $7.25 (€6.77) - average electrician makes $20.57/hr (€19.22) - 283% of min wage.

Your friends would have had the 25% loading that I already pointed out if on the working holiday visa (negatives - can only work in one job for 6 months, you get no sick days, no paid leave, and have little job security... but for young people travelling/saving without dependents, the one positive is huge - you get paid a 25% loading on top of what the listed salary is, and despite what some say Irish workers are very highly regarded there so they typically won't try to skimp you). In that instance, your friends going against the above Aussie figure would have been on about $40.50, which would come out at 228% of min wage - though that's still closer to Ireland's 192% than the US's 283%.

I'm aware of the above because I lived there too, by the way.

EDIT: To bridge that gap to the US, they would have needed to be on $67.60/hr, or $135,000 a year. In other words, everyone would need to be on the same amount as the site manager you were talking about. And while we're at it, the average salary for a site manager in the US is $95,000 - which is $125,000 AUD. Meanwhile, min wage remains $7.25/hr or $14,500/yr.

jimmycrackcorm

MightyMandarin wrote:

'Capitalism' is not a reason. You're using a cop-out now. 2 parents on min. wage in Ireland can support a family, why can't it be the same in the US? or are we not capitalist?

That's patently not true given the expense of childcare here.

Christy42

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/trudeau-canada-refugees-banned-u-s/

Canada to do the right thing and take the refugees the US is turning away.

Jfk has turned into a protest zone. This policy has been put through with no serious discussion of the details and chaos has been the result of it. Dude might last another 4 years but he will do and has done massive damage already. So far Trump seems to be trying to rule by decree. I get the need of executive actions but Trump has both houses of parliament controlled by his party so it does not seem to be necessary to be doling out the same style of orders he gave out about at a faster rate than anyone else.


I guess credit where credit is due, the no lobbying one is a good one. Damn near everything else he has done has been terrible.

The Backwards Man

The Samsung will be getting a hammering, ACLU wins a stay against the refugee ban

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/28/aclu-mounts-legal-challenge-to-trumps-refugee-ban-calling-it-unlawful.html

darkpagandeath

The Backwards Man wrote: »

The Samsung will be getting a hammering, ACLU wins a stay against the refugee ban

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/28/aclu-mounts-legal-challenge-to-trumps-refugee-ban-calling-it-unlawful.html

Cant see why the would not put a temporary lift on it. An amnesty if you like for those caught out. Some never thought he would stick to policy promises.

The Backwards Man

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Cant see why the would not put a temporary lift on it. An amnesty if you like for those caught out. Some never thought he would stick to policy promises.

We shall wait and see if ol' Donnie will be as contrite.

Hank Scorpio

Trump signed the 5 year lobbying ban today. He's been very consistent with his campaign promises so far it has to be said, even if you don't agree with them.

BuilderPlumber

A Little Pony wrote: »

No one wanting to kill him will get within a mile of him.

Let's just hope so. Trump living believe it or not is what everyone both left, centre and right should agree on. Rightwing fanaticism reigns otherwise. And I mean a Hitler type regime not Trump btw!