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Trent Houseboat

Christy42 wrote: »

So far Trump seems to be trying to rule by decree. I get the need of executive actions but Trump has both houses of parliament controlled by his party so it does not seem to be necessary to be doling out the same style of orders he gave out about at a faster rate than anyone else.


I guess credit where credit is due, the no lobbying one is a good one. Damn near everything else he has done has been terrible.

I said earlier that it might just be for the photo op. I was being flippant, but I can't see any other reason. Like signing the one to build a wall hasn't gotten them any closer to a border wall it still has to go to Congress. The one to come up with a plan to defeat ISIS is laughable as though the pentagon were sitting there unaware of ISIS.
What's next an executive order telling the treasury to make it that the economy is better?

Photo ops let his supporters think that he's done something.

Maybe it lets Ryan continue the day to day while Donie sits in front if the cameras and take all the anger.

Grayson

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

I said earlier that it might just be for the photo op. I was being flippant, but I can't see any other reason. Like signing the one to build a wall hasn't gotten them any closer to a border wall it still has to go to Congress. The one to come up with a plan to defeat ISIS is laughable as though the pentagon were sitting there unaware of ISIS.
What's next an executive order telling the treasury to make it that the economy is better?

Photo ops let his supporters think that he's done something.

Maybe it lets Ryan continue the day to day while Donie sits in front if the cameras and take all the anger.

It's not just that. At every step Trump had declared the agenda and the GOP has followed. By doing these thing he places them in a position where they have to agree with him or disavow their own president a week after the election. Bannon et al are very savvy political operators. They know that if they tried a muslim ban or anything like that in two years they'd face trouble from their own party who were up for election. If they do it now it's all wrapped up in the same push for repealing Obamacare and everything else the rank and file GOP want. If the GOP object they to stuff like the wall or the muslim ban they endanger their own agenda.

InTheTrees

There's a big protest going on in JFK right now, more in airports all over the country. There's a fairly large one at the the airport here in Seattle.

darkpagandeath

InTheTrees wrote: »

There's a big protest going on in JFK right now, more in airports all over the country. There's a fairly large one at the the airport here in Seattle.

Did the miss the amnesty ? better turn up to virtue signal though.

darkpagandeath

Manic Moran

FWIW, the "real" unemployment rate appears to be about 10%. Historically it would appear to be about double the official rate.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/05/charts-whats-the-real-unemployment-rate.html
https://www.thebalance.com/what-is-the-real-unemployment-rate-3306198
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-real-unemployment-rate-is-still-close-to-10-2016-07-08

IvyTheTerrible

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Did the miss the amnesty ? better turn up to virtue signal though.

The amnesty apparently doesn't apply immediately to green card holders. They still have to wait to get back into the country.
(Why are most people framing those EO as being anti refugee,when people legally living in the US are being denied re-entry? That to me, is the bigger story.)

I surely can't be the only one who sees the irony in that six of the seven countries have a ban on Israeli citizens.

Not saying that Trump is right but sixteen Muslim countries do what Trump is doing.

masculinist

http://time.com/4652703/president-trump-lobbying-ban/

If it had been Killary, Obama or any other President, you just know all campaign promises would be put on the long finger and ignored by the media and eventually forgotten by or given up opn by a disillusioned apathetic public force fed a Kardassian diet. The same malaise affects Ireland, the EU and our relationship with the EU.

Instead Trump gets shiit done. His personal life is none of my business [I thought someones personal life, marriage , divorce, sexuality etc being nobodys elses business was the lesson of the Irish liberal 90s awakening] but thats all the mainstream American media wants to focus on. People on Facebook mock Trumps dancing while ignoring Obamas kill count in the tens of thousands comparing Trumps dancing to Obama ignoring Trump is 70 and has to be stiffer than Obama since hes 20 years older. A peck on the cheek during an important occasion making sure not to ruin Melanias make up is turned into a scandal but if it had been done differently [ to appease people who dont matter about a non issue which doesnt matter] I'm sure Trump would have been treated like Al Gore and the infamous sloppy kiss. Meanwhile Trump was elected to get shiit done and thats what Western economies need, not lawyers or full time activists. We need in office the people who get shiit done.

So it looks like a large portion of American sentiment towards Muslims and refugees is turning to what it was in Europe at the start of the crisis. ie. Yeah, they're great.

My American friend who is a Jew and was massively against Islam in the West a year ago is now talking about them like they're his long lost brothers.. I expect the Democrat candidate for 2020 could end up running with a Merkelly policy on it. That'll be good for Europe I guess.

masculinist

Deleted User wrote: »

So it looks like a large portion of American sentiment towards Muslims and refugees is turning to what it was in Europe at the start of the crisis. ie. Yeah, they're great.

My American friend who is a Jew and was massively against Islam in the West a year ago is now talking about them like they're his long lost brothers.. I expect the Democrat candidate for 2020 could end up running with a Merkelly policy on it.

I dont mind any policy so long as its consistent. I dont see any of these Merkelly types calling out the 8 or so Muslims countries which ban Israeli citizens.

Haha, gold.

Picture of an Iraqi immigrant after getting out of JFK on the Guardian.

The Iraqi guy in the picture says he likes Trump on CNN. The congresswoman is utterly shocked.

SILVAMAN

Fifth column inside WH

https://twitter.com/RogueSNRadvisor

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Haha, gold.

Picture of an Iraqi immigrant after getting out of JFK on the Guardian.

The Iraqi guy in the picture says he likes Trump on CNN. The congresswoman is utterly shocked.

I'd say anyone with an interest in staying in the USA will say they love the country and the President.

C. Montgomery Gurns

Deleted User wrote: »

So it looks like a large portion of American sentiment towards Muslims and refugees is turning to what it was in Europe at the start of the crisis. ie. Yeah, they're great.

My American friend who is a Jew and was massively against Islam in the West a year ago is now talking about them like they're his long lost brothers.. I expect the Democrat candidate for 2020 could end up running with a Merkelly policy on it. That'll be good for Europe I guess.

That's an interesting point. Will our quota* of intake now be increased? More back of the line treatment for the Irish taxpayer?


*: I say quota but then a quota would indicate some limited number. We have went from an initial 200 to upwards of 5000 planned for, from what I have read we have taken less than was targeted because most of those being assessed are refusing and are holding out to be sent to Germany and Sweden- given the freebies on offer there most of them aren't snapping the arm off the dept of foreign affairs assessment team for a free house in Leitrim.

My God, people are nuts.

There's a big conspiracy doing the rounds that a lot of you might have seen about how Trump has business interests in other big Muslim countries and he didn't ban them.

Apart from the fact that the Obama administration had already identified those countries sans Syria, it would be highly stupid for Trump to do business in countries that Obama was bombing the shỉt out of. Everyone says he's an awful businessman so I guess it might surprise some people that he wasn't building hotels and golf courses in Yemen and Somalia.

Banned Countries: Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Iran
Obama bombed: Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Libya, Somalia, Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Panrich

tonycascarino wrote: »

I will. I cannot wait to go there now.

Where are you from Tony? I'd get things organised sharpish if I was you. He might ban EU citizens next.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Haha, gold.

Picture of an Iraqi immigrant after getting out of JFK on the Guardian.

The Iraqi guy in the picture says he likes Trump on CNN. The congresswoman is utterly shocked.

ABC News just decides to cut the interview short by those important 10 seconds where he says he likes Trump. What a coincidence.

bodice ripper

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Did the miss the amnesty ? better turn up to virtue signal though.

It's not possible to just give a ****, no? If the only motive you can imagine for protesting is to signal virtue, perhaps the problem is you.

dav3

There are a good few people tying themselves in knots trying to defend trump's muslim ban.

His election pledge throughout the campaign involved the security and protection the US which included a ban on muslims entering the country.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-muslim-ban-registry-berlin-attack-twitter-you-know-my-plans-immigration-racism-a7489611.html

"Donald J Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on,"

and

"When I am elected, I will suspend immigration from areas of the world when there is a proven history of terrorism against the United States, Europe or our allies, until we understand how to end these threats,"

He decided not to ban Saudi Arabia or Pakistan. Yet some people still don't get it, it was never about security.

Speaking of security, what's the problem with countries banning Israelis? We should have done it ourselves with the contempt they've shown this country over the years.

wildgreen

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

But what I do think is if illegals did vote, there was only candidate they could vote for.

The original article you posted estimated that 19% would vote Republican so around one quarter of a million (illegal) votes for President Trump.

dav3

dav3 wrote: »

There are a good few people tying themselves in knots trying to defend trump's muslim ban.

His election pledge throughout the campaign involved the security and protection the US which included a ban on muslims entering the country.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-muslim-ban-registry-berlin-attack-twitter-you-know-my-plans-immigration-racism-a7489611.html



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He decided not to ban Saudi Arabia or Pakistan. Yet some people still don't get it, it was never about security.

Speaking of security, what's the problem with countries banning Israelis? We should have done it ourselves with the contempt they've shown this country over the years.

Obama had decided by the end of his term that Saudi Arabia was no longer a threat.. It wasn't listed as a danger and it's an ally. Pakistan isn't listed as a danger either.

I'm not sure why you say it's not about security.. The biggest Muslim countries in the world are not banned.

People aren't happy with banning entire groups of people because of race or religion. I just pointed out the irony.
You're actually suggesting Ireland does the same as what Trump just did whereas at least Trump, in both of those quotes mentions how it's temporary and his executive order is the same apart from Syria.

Little CuChulainn

Deleted User wrote: »

ABC News just decides to cut the interview short by those important 10 seconds where he says he likes Trump. What a coincidence.

You cut his quote short too.

"I like Trump but I don't know. This is a policy I don't know. He is a president and I am a normal person."

Little CuChulainn

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

You cut his quote short too.

"I like Trump but I don't know. This is a policy I don't know. He is a president and I am a normal person."

Haha, what in the actual fủck.


Here, I'll fix it for you to show how he doesn't know what to make of the executive order..

Picture of an Iraqi immigrant after getting out of JFK on the Guardian.

The Iraqi guy in the picture says he likes Trump but doesn't know this policy on CNN. The congresswoman is utterly shocked.


ABC News just decides to cut the interview short by those important 10 seconds where he says he likes Trump but doesn't know policy. What a coincidence.



There, truthful reporting by Ads by Google. I apologise for being as fake as ABC News.

B_Wayne

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Obama had decided by the end of his term that Saudi Arabia was no longer a threat.. It wasn't listed as a danger and it's an ally. Pakistan isn't listed as a danger either.

I'm not sure why you say it's not about security.. The biggest Muslim countries in the world are not banned.

People aren't happy with banning entire groups of people because of race or religion. I just pointed out the irony.
You're actually suggesting Ireland does the same as what Trump just did whereas at least Trump, in both of those quotes mentions how it's temporary and his executive order is the same apart from Syria.

It literally bans the most vulnerable of Muslim community. The average city of these countries has absolutely nothing to do with their government's policies and many are fleeing such policies. Yet you seem to think that they have personally banned Israelis.

Christy42

I have no idea what the bans on Israel citizens Muslim countries have has anything to do with Trump's Muslim ban. They are hardly countries I want to copy in terms of policy. The protests are because of the US sudden switch towards these crazy policies.

Also gotta love the complete switch on Saudi from the right. During the election they were worried about Obama and Hillary being friends with Saudi due to the terrorism connections. Now they feel it is less likely to produce an ISIS terrorist than Iran ffs.

Gotta love logic.

Hande hoche!

Christy42 wrote: »

I have no idea what the bans on Israel citizens Muslim countries have has anything to do with Trump's Muslim ban. They are hardly countries I want to copy in terms of policy. The protests are because of the US sudden switch towards these crazy policies.

Also gotta love the complete switch on Saudi from the right. During the election they were worried about Obama and Hillary being friends with Saudi due to the terrorism connections. Now they feel it is less likely to produce an ISIS terrorist than Iran ffs.

Gotta love logic.

Too much Saudi money, both in terms of investment and arms sales. It's seldom the same critical eye is applied to the Saudi Arabia by US politicians.

BoJack Horseman

B_Wayne wrote: »

It literally bans the most vulnerable of Muslim community.

A 90 day delay on an entry visa does not a "ban" make.

It seems pretty similar to Obama's 6 month delay on Iraqi migrants in 2011.

SkinnyBuddha

Panrich wrote: »

Where are you from Tony? I'd get things organised sharpish if I was you. He might ban EU citizens next.

A leave Tony alone....he is of a nervous disposition when it comes to muslims...poor chap thinks south circular road is a muslim ghetto:pac::pac:

Christy42

Manic Moran wrote: »

FWIW, the "real" unemployment rate appears to be about 10%. Historically it would appear to be about double the official rate.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/05/charts-whats-the-real-unemployment-rate.html
https://www.thebalance.com/what-is-the-real-unemployment-rate-3306198
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-real-unemployment-rate-is-still-close-to-10-2016-07-08

Sure it if you want to use U6 you should tell people that and make it clear as most people are used to u3 which will always be smaller and is the one talked about in the news most of the time.

Getting U6 below 5% would be near impossible. From your own link it only went to 7% with the 90s boom. Definitely a bit of slack in the U6 numbers but it is still massively down from the recession values of 17%. 9.7% is hardly disaster area, maybe about 2% where economists would like U6 even if there is a small bit of room to improve.