Hail To The Chief (Read Mod Warning In OP)

darkpagandeath

listermint wrote: »

Saturday night, drinks on... More of the the alts come out to play.


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darkpagandeath

B_Wayne wrote: »

Not necessarily, there is a very good chance that he will face an impeachment before his presidency is through. I don't think people will cease to protest if his administration continues going in its current direction.

On what grounds ? Barry was committing war crimes.

Christy42

C. Montgomery Gurns wrote: »

A great deal of those Americans are living in poverty out of their own refusal to work. There are housing projects in Chicago with 90 percent plus unemployment rates, families that haven't had an employed member in 50 years, yet thousands of Mexicans with minimal language skills and no papers work in that very city (and before you ask, it is only the Mexicans with a criminal record that Trump is looking to track down)



The poor and needy? In Merkel's Germany people are being turfed out of social housing to make way for the newcomers.

What has she done about the Cologne rapes? Some of those caught have received suspended sentences and are still in the country. She's a miserable old childless witch that couldn't give a toss about her people.

Wait how is it the Mexican's fault that poor people won't work (not that I agree with the statement that there are loads refusing to work).

Also shouldn't we go back to Obama's policies who simply drove down unemployment? Also we are at a point where there is net migration towards Mexico. However that seems likely to change given the damage Trump's tweets are having on the Mexican economy. Seems to be increasing the likelihood of immigrants and that wall will do nothing.

What is the exact benefit to listing out the crimes committed by aliens? Aside from generating hate against immigrants. It won't help track any down so...

If he really wanted to stop terrorists why isn't Saudi Arabia on the list and why is Iran on it? Does anyone expect ISIS to recruit in Iran?

What does Merkel's number of children have to do with anything and why do you bring it up? Would Hillary being a mother make her a more able leader? Interestingly I have never heard the number of children being an issue with male politicians.

BuilderPlumber

B_Wayne wrote: »

Not necessarily, there is a very good chance that he will face an impeachment before his presidency is through. I don't think people will cease to protest if his administration continues going in its current direction.

Donald Trump has a choice to make:

1 Continue being a puppet for the KKK-types that have poisoned the Republican party and become a second Dubya Bush.

Or:

2 Distance himself from his advisers and the KKK wing of the Republican Party and adopt a moderate inclusive approach for all the American people.

It is his choice. I feel he is afraid of the types he is a puppet for to be honest and I predict the minute Trump becomes more moderate, that is when he will be assassinated by his former puppetmasters.

ScumLord

Akrasia wrote: »

Problem is, the Israeli wall is constantly breached by tunnels and the Israelis have to bomb the sh1t out of Gaza every few years to collapse them

With the billions of dollars to be made in drugs and smuggling, you can guarantee that the criminals and people traffickerswill get in, so unless America invades Mexico every few years to destroy the tunnels, the wall will accomplish nothing except to make the criminals more organised and more ruthless

I don't know, last time I was in Israel I didn't see any Mexicans, seems like it's working to me.

A Little Pony

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

B_Wayne wrote: »

Not necessarily, there is a very good chance that he will face an impeachment before his presidency is through. I don't think people will cease to protest if his administration continues going in its current direction.

Donald Trump has a choice to make:

1 Continue being a puppet for the KKK-types that have poisoned the Republican party and become a second Dubya Bush.

Or:

2 Distance himself from his advisers and the KKK wing of the Republican Party and adopt a moderate inclusive approach for all the American people.

It is his choice. I feel he is afraid of the types he is a puppet for to be honest and I predict the minute Trump becomes more moderate, that is when he will be assassinated by his former puppetmasters.

What a load of rubbish!

MightyMandarin

C. Montgomery Gurns wrote: »

A great deal of those Americans are living in poverty out of their own refusal to work. There are housing projects in Chicago with 90 percent plus unemployment rates, families that haven't had an employed member in 50 years, yet thousands of Mexicans with minimal language skills and no papers work in that very city (and before you ask, it is only the Mexicans with a criminal record that Trump is looking to track down)

The poor and needy? In Merkel's Germany people are being turfed out of social housing to make way for the newcomers.

What has she done about the Cologne rapes? Some of those caught have received suspended sentences and are still in the country. She's a miserable old childless witch that couldn't give a toss about her people.

Again, absolute drivel you're spouting. The US Unemployment rate is well under 5%. Yet the millions of Americans living in poverty are just too lazy to work according to you. You don't think the min. wage being worth **** all has anything to do with that?

Where are you getting this bs from? Turfed from their houses? I think you've been reading too much on Breitbart.


Wtf has she got to do with the judicial system? If she got involved in that case, there'd be war over breaching the separations of power.

A 5yr old could make a better argument than you.

C. Montgomery Gurns

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Lol, the hysteria and made up crap on this thread gets better by the hour :pac:

You mean to tell me that when someone you know says they are off to France the first thing to cross your mind isn't terrorism?

France since 2012- at least 21 attacks, be they lone wolf or ISIS directly. 510 people killed or injured in four separate vehicular attacks. 23 dead or wounded in at least 13 lone wolf knife attacks. 498 dead or injured in the November 13th Paris attacks.

How about your friend is off to Belgium? 32 dead and 300 injured in the Brussels bombings. A massacre averted at a public screening of the Belgium vs Ireland EURO 2016 match that likely would have seen a few Irish caught up. At least three lone wolf knife attacks.

Or how about your friend is off to Germany? Does the Berlin truck attack enter your mind? The Munich gun massacre where the German authorities covered up the ISIS inspiration with the full co operation of their media? At the last count six lone wolfe knife attacks leaving 3 dead and 19 wounded. 60 dead and injured in the Berlin truck attack. A total of 128 dead or wounded in all attacks in Germany.

That right there is about 960 people dead or injured in those three countries. That isn't taking into account the pretty much daily reports of rape in Germany, Sweden and Austria.

Or how about America? Since 2013 people admitted on refugee visas have committed at least 5 attacks.

Hysteria? Jesus Christ.

BuilderPlumber

A Little Pony wrote: »

What a load of rubbish!

No it isn't. People need to believe this current American regime is more than just one man. It is an entire entourage of very nasty people and the natural successor to the Dubya years. I hear everywhere people wishing for Trump to be shot dead. The minute that happens is when the REAL trouble starts. The regime will still be there and will then have an excuse to implement an emergency regime in the name of 'National Security'. Russia, China, Iran, anyone you want can be blamed for the assassination. Ethnic minorities could be rounded up and all along, Trump's killers would be from his own side. Trump is merely a novice dealing with ruthless and evil professionals whose aim seems to be total militarisation and extreme rightwing control of America.

darkpagandeath

MightyMandarin wrote: »

Again, absolute drivel you're spouting. The US Unemployment rate is well under 5%. Yet the millions of Americans living in poverty are just too lazy to work according to you. You don't think the min. wage being worth **** all has anything to do with that?

Where are you getting this bs from? Turfed from their houses? I think you've been reading too much on Breitbart.


Wtf has she got to do with the judicial system? If she got involved in that case, there'd be war over breaching the separations of power.

A 5yr old could make a better argument than you.

Odd Barry had 2 terms on that ? Trumps fault ?

MightyMandarin

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Odd Barry had 2 terms on that ? Trumps fault ?

Have I mentioned Trump being at fault for it? All I said before was that Trump is the last person in the world who'd 'care for his people', and that has everything to do with thing's he's done as president and before.

If by 'Barry' you mean 'Barack Obama', then yeah, a major criticism of him is that he didn't raise the min. wage to 15$/hr like Bernie advocated for, but that's neither here nor there, because Donnie has been screwing over 'the little guy' his entire life, why the **** would anyone with a brain think he's going to suddenly change now?

Billy86

The type of person Trump, who faked injury to avoid serving his country, just banned:

This includes thousands of Iraqis who acted as interpreters for our soldiers. At the time, they were promised that if this whole "occupation" thing didn't work out, they'd be able to get a visa and move to the land of apple pie and Oxycontin. President Trump just slammed the door in their faces.

Some of the men who fought alongside them are speaking out, including Chase Milsap. He's a former Marine officer, former Green Beret, and basically the guy that every schoolkid in America claimed to have as an uncle. He told me about the man who saved his life:

"I walked out on the line ... shots rang out over my head, and next thing I know, this guy pushes me down and runs toward the gunfire."

That guy was an Iraqi army lieutenant who'd gotten his start in Saddam's army.

...

Eventually Chase, like America, left Iraq. His friend stayed in the Iraqi Army, and around 2014 found himself caught up in a "perfect storm" of ISIS, "Factions within the Iraqi Army," and Shia militias, all of which wanted him dead. It turns out having a reputation as a friend to Americans doesn't make for a long life in Iraq. Go figure. He fled to Turkey, but he can't make a living there because the only jobs hiring involve manual labor, and he's now disabled. Because, during that war he helped us fight, he got hit by an IED ("and still kept fighting", Chase noted).

He applied for a visa, Chase helped him "navigate the broken refugee admissions system", and the application moved along smoothly until, on November 9th, one day after the election, he received a letter saying, in essence, "We've stopped this visa because we think you're shady." Reminder: The United States trusted this guy with a gun around our soldiers for more than a decade, but we now don't trust him to buy salsa at a Trader Joe's. He and Chase were working on getting the process moving again, when yesterday, Mr. Trump's next executive order leaked.

"If that does come out, that effectively ends his ability to come here," Chase added, "I don't know how to tell him that we've abandoned him." And the order's scope would even impact people who are much further along in the visa process than Chase's friend. Mica Varga, who works with Chase at the interpreter-rescuing charity No One Left Behind, told me, "We have guys who already have their visas in hand, who have already passed the strictest immigration background checks of any immigration category in the U.S. ... and the executive order today is likely going to mean even though they have flights scheduled, this will all just be abandoned."

There are roughly 13,000 people, Iraqis and Afghans, in this same position. And maybe you don't feel sorry for them, thinking, "A lot of sketchy stuff happens in that 'Iraq' place. Trump's not saying they can never come in. We've just got to vet them." But the thing is, we already ****ing have. Haider Salman has been fighting alongside the U.S. in Iraq since Donald Trump was a reality television star: "[In 2007], I worked with first cav[alry]. 2008 with 101st airborne. 2009 with 25th Infantry division, [and in 2010] I worked with 25th infantry division and Oregon national guard." During that last posting, "I got hit by IED eight times ..." He started the application process for his visa back in 2012, and he admitted that the fact that it's taken so long "was my fault." See, he's had a little trouble completing each part of the process in a timely matter. His only excuse is the massive, bloody war against ISIS.

"Y'know how things are going in Iraq, you can't go freely everywhere you [want to] go. So to finish some document and stuff like that, it's pretty hard when you can't go freely out in the world, not with car bombs going off, you know?"

"Actually, I did my first interview in the embassy, it was 2014, and when I went in, my doc wasn't finished, so they gave me another date for new interview ..." But before that date came, "ISIS came in and took over most of Iraq, they came close to my town, but they didn't get my town. We defend the town, actually. So six months I cannot get out of town, because if I leave my town, I [will] be killed."

But Haider still got his visa. Even without the whole "under siege by ISIS" thing, he had a lot of hoops to jump, including a "background check and a couple recommendations from officers, the ones I was working with through the U.S. army." It was not a speedy process. "I did my interview on November 2015, so they tell me you're good, your paper is now in administrative processing ... it took over one year and one month to finish that process."

He bought a plane ticket as soon as he got his visa, and he was busy getting ready for his flight on February 9th, when this hit:

Iraq is one of those "Countries of Particular Concern." Haider isn't sure if he'll be sent back to Iraq as soon as he lands, because the wording of the EO is pretty broad and trying to find authoritative information on the internet today is like searching for an unopened condom in a landfill. "I went on Facebook and the media ... everyone say something, and you don't know what is the truth here."

And if Haider is stuck in Iraq, it'll be for another (minimum) 60 days. That's an eternity in "heavily armed militias want to kill you" time. He and Chase's anonymous friend and thousands of other interpreters who fought and risked their lives on this country's behalf just got a big orange middle finger from our 45th president. I guess we shouldn't be surprised that Donald Trump is reneging on another debt

Except apparently the second guy who already has his visa is banned too.

ISIS & co just got a hell of a lot stronger today, both in the middle east and in the US, so well done on that one Donald! And the same idiots cheering this on will be the same idiots looking for someone, anyone, else to blame when the sh*t hits the fan way worse than it has already.

C. Montgomery Gurns

MightyMandarin wrote: »

Again, absolute drivel you're spouting. The US Unemployment rate is well under 5%. Yet the millions of Americans living in poverty are just too lazy to work according to you. You don't think the min. wage being worth **** all has anything to do with that?

This may amaze you, but a lot of Americans don't seem to realise that working in McDonalds is a job for teenagers and students (or, as I saw over there, retirees who do a few hours cleaning the sit down area to keep themselves busy and earn a few dollars). If you are a 35 year old mother of three and you are working in McDonalds in a non management role the company does not owe you 15 dollars per hour because you are still doing a job you should have left 13 years ago. How many people in their 30's work minimum wage jobs in this country?

B_Wayne

One Iraqi released so far, literally the sort of person you want in the US tbh. Also looks like US government is gonna be in legal hot water including a potential class action suit.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/queens/iraqi-man-free-detainment-jfk-airport-article-1.2958091

MightyMandarin

C. Montgomery Gurns wrote: »

This may amaze you, but a lot of Americans don't seem to realise that working in McDonalds is a job for teenagers and students. If you are a 35 year old mother of three and you are working in McDonalds in a non management role the company does not owe you 15 dollars per hour because you are still doing a job you should have left 13 years ago. How many people in their 30's work minimum wage jobs in this country?

Yeah, there's no way you're serious.

'McDonalds is just a job for students and teenagers'- I've never heard such elitist bollocks in my life, and I've met a fair few elitists at Trinity.

darkpagandeath

C. Montgomery Gurns wrote: »

This may amaze you, but a lot of Americans don't seem to realise that working in McDonalds is a job for teenagers and students. If you are a 35 year old mother of three and you are working in McDonalds in a non management role the company does not owe you 15 dollars per hour because you are still doing a job you should have left 13 years ago. How many people in their 30's work minimum wage jobs in this country?

My experience is The polish have filled those kind of jobs. Like tesco, Lidyl Mcdonalds. I have to say I have not even seen many students doing the either.

mansize

I won't be visiting Trump's America

CalamariFritti

Britain is in self-inflicted tatters. America elected a 12 year old psycho into presidency. Makes Russia look like a haven of stability at the moment. And I didn't think I'd ever say that but I'm actually glad that Angela Merkel is still in charge back home. This is quite depressing.

darkpagandeath

MightyMandarin wrote: »

Yeah, there's no way you're serious.

'McDonalds is just a job for students and teenagers'- I've never heard such elitist bollocks in my life, and I've met a fair few elitists at Trinity.

So you are saying a minimum wage job is supposed to be able to support a family ?

CalamariFritti

C. Montgomery Gurns wrote: »

This may amaze you, but a lot of Americans don't seem to realise that working in McDonalds is a job for teenagers and students (or, as I saw over there, retirees who do a few hours cleaning the sit down area to keep themselves busy and earn a few dollars). If you are a 35 year old mother of three and you are working in McDonalds in a non management role the company does not owe you 15 dollars per hour because you are still doing a job you should have left 13 years ago. How many people in their 30's work minimum wage jobs in this country?

Sadly in America you see a lot 60 year olds working in McDonalds or in CVS or such.

MightyMandarin

darkpagandeath wrote: »

So you are saying a minimum wage job is supposed to be able to support a family ?

With 2 working parents, it should absolutely support a family of 4 imo.

Give me one good reason why it shouldn't.

By support I mean comfortable living btw, not several foreign holidays a year and 3 cars in the driveway.

moneymad

MightyMandarin wrote: »

Again, absolute drivel you're spouting. The US Unemployment rate is well under 5%. Yet the millions of Americans living in poverty are just too lazy to work according to you. You don't think the min. wage being worth **** all has anything to do with that?

Where are you getting this bs from? Turfed from their houses? I think you've been reading too much on Breitbart.


Wtf has she got to do with the judicial system? If she got involved in that case, there'd be war over breaching the separations of power.

A 5yr old could make a better argument than you.

The US Unemployment rate is well over 20%.

darkpagandeath

MightyMandarin wrote: »

With 2 working parents, it should absolutely support a family of 4 imo. By support I mean comfortable living btw, not several foreign holidays a year and 3 cars in the driveway.

Give me one good reason why it shouldn't.

Capitalism.

tonycascarino

mansize wrote: »

I won't be visiting Trump's America

I will. I cannot wait to go there now.

MightyMandarin

moneymad wrote: »

The US Unemployment rate is well over 20%.

Read this.

It hasn't been anywhere near 20% in the past 10yrs. Dunno wtf you're on about.

A Little Pony

A Little Pony wrote: »

They will give up protesting soon enough. He is going to be President for the next 4 years before another election. They will have to get used to it. The American people voted him to be President.

The electoral college system actually. He lost the popular vote by 3m. I hope his administration fails utterly.

darkpagandeath

Deleted User wrote: »

The electoral college system actually. He lost the popular vote by 3m. I hope his administration fails utterly.

Enshrined in the US constitution. Just like Bear arms...

MightyMandarin

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Capitalism.

Ah come on ffs, try harder than that.

Why defend McDonalds or WalMart? Why can't they pay their workers a wage which is fair?

darkpagandeath

MightyMandarin wrote: »

Ah come on ffs, try harder than that.

Why defend McDonalds or WalMart? Why can't they pay their workers a wage which is fair?

I'm not defending, I gave a reason.

MightyMandarin

darkpagandeath wrote: »

I'm not defending, I gave a reason.

'Capitalism' is not a reason. You're using a cop-out now. 2 parents on min. wage in Ireland can support a family, why can't it be the same in the US? or are we not capitalist?