Nike sponsoring sub-2 hour marathon attempt

KSU

OOnegative wrote: »

Runners aren’t helping Sir Mo anyway!!

Or Rupp. Hasay gone before 5k

Itziger

Jaysus, Women's Record gone!!

MY BAD

Brigid Kosgei unreal in Chicago! This is better than Kipchoge yesterday

KSU

Just regarding the shoes,

Worth noting that Emma Bates with a big breakthrough from 2.28 to 2.25 wearing Aasics. This follows on from Sara Halls huge 2.22 from Berlin both wearing the metarride

adrian522

Good thread here....

https://twitter.com/stevemagness/status/1183033707659251713?s=19

Rodin

Mellow Yellow 26.2 wrote: »

Brigid Kosgei unreal in Chicago! This is better than Kipchoge yesterday

Catch yourself on.
Eliud would be 5k further down the road at 2.14

walshb

Rodin wrote: »

Catch yourself on.
Eliud would be 5k further down the road at 2.14

You’re probably joking, but I think the poster meant achievement wise..

Kipchoge yesterday was more an accurate and true reflection of what a record is compared to the IAAF interpretation...

No hills, rain, poxy wind, dickheads getting in your way, breaking rhythm to grab drinks, “substandard footwear,” etc etc...

Trampas

I assume all races to count for world records will need to be done bare feet, no drafting ruling and they’ve to carry all water or whatever on themselves so to please everyone.

walshb

Trampas wrote: »

I assume all races to count for world records will need to be done bare feet, no drafting ruling and they’ve to carry all water or whatever on themselves so to please everyone.

Indeed....

No pleasing some.....

adrian522

Trampas wrote: »

I assume all races to count for world records will need to be done bare feet, no drafting ruling and they’ve to carry all water or whatever on themselves so to please everyone.

Nonsense post. The rules are fairly clear if you bother to read them.

Sacksian

adrian522 wrote: »

Good thread here....

https://twitter.com/stevemagness/status/1183033707659251713?s=19

Here's a follow-up today from Steve Magness on twitter, which puts the shoes (and the massive jumps in the WR) into historical perspective.

Talk of shoes, pacing, etc. aren't taking away from Kipchoge's and others accomplishment.

They are explaining why guys who ran 2:03-2:04 a few years ago, now are able to run sub 2. That jump just doesn't happen, even with training or "belief."

If you don't think shoes, tech, drafting, etc. matter, then drugs have to be thrown in as an explainer.

So I'd rather have it be "the shoes" then it be some new PED...

To put this another way, the last time you saw such a drop in any era in the marathon was the 1960s with Derek Clayton.

Back then marathoning was just taking hold and you had the beginning of “modern” training.

That begs an explanation of why we are seeing it now.

Most of the research shows that the lower weight is what mattered most to performance.

A 3.5oz reduction in weight= about 1% improvement in economy.

So from modern shoe era until now you are looking at fractions of improvement.

Sacksian

Separately, what I love about track and xc running is that everyone has the same access to the same equipment. One of the cheapest running shoes you can buy will be a pair of spikes and the same pair can do you over 10k xc or 800m with negligible difference in performance. I don't think I've ever seen people talking about what spikes Cheptegei wore when he won world xc.

silverharp

he is a bit of grumpy old soul but i like some of his videos, he isnt a fan of this new carob fiber plate and airbag technology

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E6_RRXIhYY

Chivito550

Sacksian wrote: »

Separately, what I love about track and xc running is that everyone has the same access to the same equipment. One of the cheapest running shoes you can buy will be a pair of spikes and the same pair can do you over 10k xc or 800m with negligible difference in performance. I don't think I've ever seen people talking about what spikes Cheptegei wore when he won world xc.

There has been a bit of talk about spikes Laura Muir has worn and spikes worn by some women in that ridiculously fast 1500 in Doha

Of course, it doesn't get the same attention in the media as the marathon shoes. But if a shoe benefits one distance, it stands to reason they'll find a way of developing one for another distance.

Chivito550

gypsy79 wrote: »

And Dina Asher Smith is assumed filthy too.

Assumed by who?

Sacksian

Chivito550 wrote: »

There has been a bit of talk about spikes Laura Muir has worn and spikes worn by some women in that ridiculously fast 1500 in Doha

Of course, it doesn't get the same attention in the media as the marathon shoes. But if a shoe benefits one distance, it stands to reason they'll find a way of developing one for another distance.

I'd forgotten about the Laura Muir 4% spikes!! It seems they've been developing a few versions of those - I should look out a bit more for that.

I think the issue with track spikes is that they will have difficulty selling a very expensive spike in the same volume as with marathon/road shoes - probably not the same sized market for $250 track spikes as you do for $250 marathon shoes!

Ultimately, the marketing of 2hours/Kipchoge/Vaporfly is to sell more shoes for the benefit of Nike - it's not to promote athletics.

BeepBeep67

Seem to be a bit more lenient with Nike than other brands in the past https://www.puma-catchup.com/the-forbidden-shoe/
You still can't have more than 6 spikes in a track shoe to this day!

KSU

BeepBeep67 wrote: »

Seem to be a bit more lenient with Nike than other brands in the past https://www.puma-catchup.com/the-forbidden-shoe/
You still can't have more than 6 spikes in a track shoe to this day!

Don't forget the Spira

Funny enough no one is clammering for that 25 min 10k to be ratified.

walshb

Excellent video that really shows the insanity and intensity of what Kipchoge did. Camera at the front really shows the pace!

https://youtu.be/pQRY_YzmdEI

4Ad

walshb wrote: »

Excellent video that really shows the insanity and intensity of what Kipchoge did. Camera at the front really shows the

https://youtu.be/pQRY_YzmdEI

I watched that, he is genuinely fecked at the end !

walshb

4Ad wrote: »

I watched that, he is genuinely fecked at the end !

Yes, retired 800 runner. Folks could be wondering why so fecked, when he has run low 1.40s at 800 “recently.” His HR is an indicator that he genuinely suffered here..

Chivito550

walshb wrote: »

Yes, retired 800 runner. Folks could be wondering why so fecked, when he has run low 1.40s at 800 “recently.” His HR is an indicator that he genuinely suffered here..

Take Symmonds with a grain of salt. He's out to promote himself and his business to the masses. That's why he pulled that stunt making sub 3 hours a harder deal than it really is for an athlete of his level. He was trying to get the average Joe to relate with him.

According to Symmonds he ran 1:59 for 800m a few weeks ago. Not sure how he could be so f**ked running through 800m in 2:15.

Either he's faking it, he's in terrible shape or he had a stinking hangover.

KSU

Chivito550 wrote: »

Take Symmonds with a grain of salt. He's out to promote himself and his business to the masses. That's why he pulled that stunt making sub 3 hours a harder deal than it really is for an athlete of his level. He was trying to get the average Joe to relate with him.

According to Symmonds he ran 1:59 for 800m a few weeks ago. Not sure how he could be so f**ked running through 800m in 2:15.

Either he's faking it, he's in terrible shape or he had a stinking hangover.

To be fair he has spent the last few months training as a 100m runner (think he was trying to break 11) for his most recent marketing stunts. fact that the HR drops after about 100 sec show he is seriously lacking aerobic endurance.