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Travellers protesting the lodging of refugees in a local authority house(read post 1)

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    #122
    Spanish Eyes
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    This will open debate and maybe will allow us to actually talk about travellers and refugees in a calm considered and totally measured fashion without being called racist.

    No, scrap that.

    Funny thing is two factions that can cause racism are causing all the chatter. And one is against the other. Mad.


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    #123
    DrumSteve
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    PoorAuldDivil wrote: »
    If you have any evidence that these people are being "blown up and executed by ISIS" please do provide evidence.


    Edit: These specific people.

    Lol.

    Just lol.

    The **** am I going looking for that at this hour.


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    #124
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »

    Funny thing is two factions that can cause racism are causing all the chatter. And one is against the other. Mad.

    Travellers are Irish.
    Therefore you can't be racist against them.
    They are Irish.


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    #125
    kittensmittens
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    Widdershins wrote: »
    I'm just having so much fun mouthing ''jacuzzi'' in a traveller accent now.

    10 Hail mary's in the confessional for you, me bucko :D


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    #126
    Donal55
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    I'd guess they wont last long there. I give it a week.


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    #127
    Spanish Eyes
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    Travellers are Irish.
    Therefore you can't be racist against them.
    They are Irish.

    No dear, they are ethnic and not Irish, that is the status they want. Travellers exist from Romania to Britain and they want to be "other".

    But the reality is that they are actually Irish here. But they are doing the divil and all to get ethnic minority status. I am sure there are advantages to that strategy, and I am sure someone will tell me what it is.


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    #128
    Donal55
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    No dear, they are ethnic and not Irish, that is the status they want. Travellers exist from Romania to Britain and they want to be "other".

    But the reality is that they are actually Irish here. But they are doing the divil and all to get ethnic minority status. I am sure there are advantages to that strategy, and I am sure someone will tell me what it is.

    Its all that funding. Similar to grant aid for Gaeltacht areas.


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    #129
    Widdershins
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    Travellers are Irish.
    Therefore you can't be racist against them.
    They are Irish.

    You can be plenty prejudiced though.


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    #130
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    No dear, they are ethnic and not Irish, that is the status they want. Travellers exist from Romania to Britain and they want to be "other".

    But the reality is that they are actually Irish here. But they are doing the divil and all to get ethnic minority status. I am sure there are advantages to that strategy, and I am sure someone will tell me what it is.

    It doesn't matter what they want, the facts are that they are Irish.
    They do not have any ethnic status in this country.
    The majority of travellers in this country are not from any other country, they originate from the famine times in Ireland, and are Irish.
    You can't discriminate against them under equality legislation, but you can't be racist against them, because they are Irish.


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    #131
    nhunter100
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    kittensmittens wrote:
    Like I said, I haven't got a horse in this race. I felt empathy with the conversation those women were having. Have you ever slept in one of them? I have. In MAY!!! It would freeze the nuts off a snake. And that was without thick November frost. If I was to even go there with your strawman, we could feck the travellers out of the trailers and house the Syrians in the trailers and give the travellers giant gold houses with crystal chimneys and ruby windows Am I doing it right?


    Strawman vrs your anecdotal overheard conversation.
    Btw I have sleep in a mobile/ caravan in winter found it quite pleasant actually it had a stove cosy. I grew up in a house with no central heating and I remember scratching my name on the inner pane of glass in winter.


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    #132
    nhunter100
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    LexieOnRale wrote:
    Well put the Syrians into the tin yoke until it's their turn on the social housing list?


    See that's the thing immediate need overrides longevity on the waiting list. Sucks but in most council areas that's the case. Plus councils to get funds are following dictate from government re housing refugees.


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    #133
    Widdershins
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    nhunter100 wrote: »
    Strawman vrs your anecdotal overheard conversation.
    Btw I have sleep in a mobile/ caravan in winter found it quite pleasant actually it had a stove cosy. I grew up in a house with no central heating and I remember scratching my name on the inner pane of glass in winter.

    With another adult and four children?

    I've done it myself (not with 4 kids) and some nights are fine and others are not.


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    #134
    Donal55
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    nhunter100 wrote: »
    See that's the thing immediate need overrides longevity on the waiting list. Sucks but in most council areas that's the case. Plus councils to get funds are following dictate from government re housing refugees.

    Immediate need increased by 35% according to latest homeless figures.


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    #135
    nhunter100
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    PoorAuldDivil wrote:
    If you have any evidence that these people are being "blown up and executed by ISIS" please do provide evidence.


    If you've been blown up or executed it's not a house you need but a coffin tbh.


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    #136
    Spanish Eyes
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    It doesn't matter what they want, the facts are that they are Irish.
    They do not have any ethnic status in this country.
    The majority of travellers in this country are not from any other country, they originate from the famine times in Ireland, and are Irish.
    You can't discriminate against them under equality legislation, but you can't be racist against them, because they are Irish.

    I know all this, but do not understand why they want minority ethnic status so much, does anyone?.

    Must be money houses or caravans, and free movement, and no tax audits for cars or income. Sorry I was a bit sleepy there!


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    #137
    nhunter100
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    Donal55 wrote:
    Immediate need increased by 35% according to latest homeless figures.


    Not disputing the 35% but just relevant to this thread I find it hard to believe that someone is years on the housing list and is homeless.


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    #138
    Goya
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    RayM wrote: »
    Yes, Travellers are underprivileged.

    For example, the people in question are living in small caravans in an industrial estate.
    PucaMama wrote: »
    People want to help those. To help them sort themselves out. So why not travellers. Everyone on here knows the reasons behind how they live.
    But it's part of their culture. I'm not saying that just to be glib but it is part of traveller culture to live in a caravan and to be disenfranchised from broader society and just to stick with their own, so why speak of them as if they are victims?
    PucaMama wrote: »
    And? Your probably more annoyed that the caravans will bring down the appearance of the area rather than those "children" getting married at 16.
    On what are you basing that probability? Could it not be the case that they are more concerned about the 16-year-olds being married off?


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    #139
    qo2cj1dsne8y4k
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    nhunter100 wrote: »
    See that's the thing immediate need overrides longevity on the waiting list. Sucks but in most council areas that's the case. Plus councils to get funds are following dictate from government re housing refugees.


    http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/my-son-6-cant-have-liver-op-because-we-are-homeless-30781049.html


    Id say that's pretty much the definition of "immediate need" but she was left in a caravan with a critically ill child who needed specialist care in London and needed an address before he could have a life saving operation. Took her having to go to the media before she could shame the council into housing her and the kids. I'm sure there's plenty more families like her.


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    #140
    CatFromHue
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    kittensmittens wrote: »
    Thats the very first I have EVER heard of any estate having a quota of ANY particular group(I hate to be that guy that asks for a link but its purely out of genuine curiosity :))
    Didn't think that could be done at all tbh

    It was in The Times
    Mother of two Teresa McDonagh, a daughter-in-law of Kathleen McDonagh, said she “got really vexed when she heard these foreign people had arrived in a bus”.
    She said she had put her name down for the property involved but the council told her the quota for Traveller families on the estate had been reached and they would not be able house another Traveller family there.


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    #141
    Donal55
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    nhunter100 wrote: »
    Not disputing the 35% but just relevant to this thread I find it hard to believe that someone is years on the housing list and is homeless.

    I'd say its not that difficult in any of the cities.
    As for this case, in reality would any settled family be even offered this house, and if so, would they even accept same.
    I think its equally unfair on the traveller family and also the Syrian family.As someone else prefaced, they'll probably be the first and last refugee family for Castlebar if this goes pearshaped.


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    #142
    Ronan|Raven
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    I find it interesting how so many suddenly care about the homeless in Ireland when they suddenly hear of a refugee getting a place no matter where in Ireland. In my experience a lot of these people couldn't give a tuppenny **** ordinarily about the homeless in Ireland until it suits a certain agenda.


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    #143
    kittensmittens
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    CatFromHue wrote: »
    It was in The Times

    Cheers for that :)
    Does this open up a can of worms though? Does this work across every group or is it only applicable to travellers, I wonder?


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    #144
    darkpagandeath
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    No dear, they are ethnic and not Irish, that is the status they want. Travellers exist from Romania to Britain and they want to be "other".

    But the reality is that they are actually Irish here. But they are doing the divil and all to get ethnic minority status. I am sure there are advantages to that strategy, and I am sure someone will tell me what it is.

    To shout ethnic cleansing when the council trys to move them on or Racist when the dole office refuses to pay out.


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    #145
    Donal55
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    Ronan|Raven wrote: »
    I find it interesting how so many suddenly care about the homeless in Ireland when they suddenly hear of a refugee getting a place no matter where in Ireland. In my experience a lot of these people couldn't give a tuppenny **** ordinarily about the homeless in Ireland until it suits a certain agenda.

    Theres also a lot of people who do care and are out dishing out sandwiches and bedding etc.on a daily basis.
    I wouldnt use a thread in AH on boards as a barometer.


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    #146
    darkpagandeath
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    CatFromHue wrote: »
    It was in The Times

    Hang on Travellers want to have foreign status here...


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    #147
    qo2cj1dsne8y4k
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    Ronan|Raven wrote: »
    I find it interesting how so many suddenly care about the homeless in Ireland when they suddenly hear of a refugee getting a place no matter where in Ireland. In my experience a lot of these people couldn't give a tuppenny **** ordinarily about the homeless in Ireland until it suits a certain agenda.


    You can't deny that it's bizzare that they're happy enough leaving people (Irish, Polish, Roma, whatever they are) to sleep on the streets and in doorways, being peed on and set on fire (as per new reports this week), relying on volunteers to walk around with soup and sandwiches, they can't even find beds never mind individual houses, but are able to bring people into the country with the sole intention of rehoming them? It is bizzare. Charity starts at your own front door. I've no problem with helping home refugees but sort out the problems closer to home first because it's a disgrace


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    #148
    _Kaiser_
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    This is what happens when you put your "need" to be validated and approved of (an Irish thing anyway, but in this context I'm talking our pro-EU leaders) over the needs of your country and its citizens

    These "refugees" were already safe in camps. There is/was absolutely zero need to set them up in Ireland - especially at a time when the country is in a housing crisis that has people on the street, living in hotels, or one paycheque away from homelessness because of the rental hikes and when there are thousands already waiting for social housing.

    Plus we ALREADY give hundreds of millions of Euro annually to foreign aid AND we've had our navy acting as a taxi and ferry service in the Med for much of this year.

    In short, we've done MORE THAN OUR PART to help in this "crisis" - especially as a small island nation with a population less than most UK citiies and which has been decimated by a recession that (spin aside) we're still far from recovered from.

    It's not often I'd agree with Travellers but on this one they're absolutely spot on. Charity begins at home and we've more than enough deserving citizens who need that help.


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    #149
    Widdershins
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    Flimpson wrote: »
    But it's part of their culture. I'm not saying that just to be glib but it is part of traveller culture to live in a caravan and to be disenfranchised from broader society and just to stick with their own, so why speak of them as if they are victims?

    On what are you basing that probability? Could it not be the case that they are more concerned about the 16-year-olds being married off?

    So they're not allowed to deviate from their culture and live in a house if they want to? Just because someone's brought up in a culture doesn't mean they have to be imprisoned by it for the rest of their life if they're unhappy in it.


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    #150
    road_high
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    pappyodaniel wrote: »
    After a week of living in Cashelbar they'll be pining for the death and destruction of Aleppo.

    Jesus I just pissed meself at this comment! You're right, one of the most miserable dreariest towns I was ever in Ireland. Pissed rain both times I was there too


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    #151
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    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    This is what happens when you put your "need" to be validated and approved of (an Irish thing anyway, but in this context I'm talking our pro-EU leaders) over the needs of your country and its citizens

    These "refugees" were already safe in camps. There is/was absolutely zero need to set them up in Ireland - especially at a time when the country is in a housing crisis that has people on the street, living in hotels, or one paycheque away from homelessness because of the rental hikes and when there are thousands already waiting for social housing.

    Plus we ALREADY give hundreds of millions of Euro annually to foreign aid AND we've had our navy acting as a taxi and ferry service in the Med for much of this year.

    In short, we've done MORE THAN OUR PART to help in this "crisis" - especially as a small island nation with a population less than most UK citiies and which has been decimated by a recession that (spin aside) we're still far from recovered from.

    It's not often I'd agree with Travellers but on this one they're absolutely spot on. Charity begins at home and we've more than enough deserving citizens who need that help.

    There are more than enough empty houses and estates in Ireland that our own Irish homeless won't live in.
    I'm sure refugees from Syria are just happy to be safe and have a roof over their heads.


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