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Travellers protesting the lodging of refugees in a local authority house(read post 1)

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    #32
    whoopsadoodles
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    The Wolverine wrote: »
    I dont care whether they are travellers, settled Irish or some polish family here for years, if they are on the list they should be housed before these people being brought in refugees or not that goes for everyone on housing lists where supposed refugees are being housed not just this case

    Ah stop.

    Being on a list doesn't mean you need a house it just means you're eligible to be on the list!


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    #33
    pablo128
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Actually there have been plenty of cases of people on housing lists refusing free houses based on location. This type of refusal is however generally restricted to those with little or no work experience or tax contributions. Funny how things work out.

    I get your point, but the houses are not free. Like any other rented house, rent must be paid on it. So they are not free.

    Carry on.


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    #34
    DredFX
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    whoopsadoodles wrote: »
    Ah stop.

    Being on a list doesn't mean you need a house it just means you're eligible to be on the list!

    To get a house.


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    #35
    RayM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Actually I'm more interested in seeing the left leaning reaction as they'll find it hard to criticise either.

    Perhaps the criticism could be directed not at two under-privileged groups being pitted against each other, but at the system that encourages this to happen.


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    #36
    Mr Joe
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    Well well well, been saying this would happen for some time and I was mocked. The Irish Government think they can land 12,000 - 20,000 Syrian refugees to Ireland without adequate housing and shove them to the top of the Council housing list ahead of people and families who have been waiting 5 - 10 years.

    This is only the start and is going to cause real tensions in communities these refugees are placed in. Happened in Britain and mainland Europe it will happen here. Bottom line is these refugees should never have been accepted, we do not have the housing to support these people, and even there was, they should have been bottom of the list like Irish citizens.


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    #37
    suicide_circus
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    pablo128 wrote: »
    I get your point, but the houses are not free. Like any other rented house, rent must be paid on it. So they are not free.

    Carry on.
    Actually i wont carry on.

    if you don't work and have never worked, where does your rent money come from?


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    #38
    qo2cj1dsne8y4k
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    eviltwin wrote: »
    The people protesting have a house. They live in the house next door to the refugees. They are protesting because they want the house to go to their own family. Sense of entitlement or what ?

    Ahh okay, that makes more sense. Yeah social housing shouldn't be given out to people because their mam lives next door. If people are turning houses down then they're clearly not in great need. I do think though - there should be no que skipping, irregardless of who you are, single man, single mother, traveller or refugee.


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    #39
    suicide_circus
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    RayM wrote: »
    Perhaps the criticism could be directed not at two under-privileged groups being pitted against each other, but at the system that encourages this to happen.
    Agree 100%. However the system being disgustingly immoral dosnt mean that some of us plebs arent taking the piss to the detriment of other plebs.


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    #40
    RayM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Actually i wont carry on.

    if you don't work and have never worked, where does your rent money come from?

    Do we actually know whether the people in question work, don't work, used to work or never worked?


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    #41
    whoopsadoodles
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    DredFX wrote: »
    To get a house.

    If, at some point you need it more than anyone else on the list.

    Not in order of when you went on it.

    But you both know that of course.


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    #42
    pablo128
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,221 ✭✭✭pablo128


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Actually i wont carry on.

    if you don't work and have never worked, where does your rent money come from?

    Do all social housing tenants not work?

    This argument has been done to death. The houses are not free. If you don't pay your rent, eventually you will be fcuked out.

    Carry on.


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    #43
    Omackeral
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    Sue Pa Key Pa wrote: »
    Would you all just wait until EOTR has finished his tea. Bit of manners please

    Still waiting for him to answer my question on another thread that he cowered out of not once but twice.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=101742294#post101742294

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=101745671#post101745671


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    #44
    suicide_circus
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    If you have never worked and thus never paid income tax, you have not contributed to the pool of money from which social welfare payments originate. Therefore paying rent from social welfare is de facto a free house for you. It's not rocket science.


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    #45
    SEPT 23 1989
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    RayM wrote: »
    Perhaps the criticism could be directed not at two under-privileged groups being pitted against each other, but at the system that encourages this to happen.

    Travellers under privileged?

    Get off the stage


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    #46
    DredFX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 287 ✭✭DredFX


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    Travellers under privileged?

    Get off the stage

    Well, they do have an awful time finding houses, in fairness.


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    #47
    RayM
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    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    Travellers under privileged?

    Get off the stage

    Yes, Travellers are underprivileged.

    For example, the people in question are living in small caravans in an industrial estate.


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    #48
    Widdershins
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    should travellers or refugees come first. If the refugees first safe haven they should come first as their need is most urgent (assuming travellers have some form of accommodation at the time and arent literally on the streets.) as it is not their first port of call it should be a matter of who was on the waiting list longest.


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    #49
    Kadser
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    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    The neck of them thinking they can claim houses when they contribute absolutely nothing to the state

    Exactly, send them back to Syria!


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    #50
    eviltwin
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    RayM wrote: »
    Yes, Travellers are underprivileged.

    For example, the people in question are living in small caravans in an industrial estate.

    A lot of them are doing that by choice Ray and don't actually want to move into a settled community.


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    #51
    AgileMyth
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    Mr Joe wrote: »

    Irish people homeless on the streets and many unable to afford a mortgage, while a bunch of Mohammeds get a free house and money for life, laughing at us. Open your mouth and you're a "racist" .
    It's hard not to call you a racist when you refer to them as a bunch of Mohammeds to be fair.


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    #52
    Spanish Eyes
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    Would I be right in thinking that the Syrians were selected from refugee camps in Lebanon and Turkey etc. You know, by the UN under agreement?

    That I don't mind. They are vetted and selected - good.

    It's the other mish mash of chancers that I have little time for, complaining about DP and mounting challenge after challenge against deportation on FLA.

    But that's the system folks.


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    #53
    Larbre34
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    Mr Joe wrote: »
    These aren't refugees, they could claim asylum in a lot closer areas than Ireland. They are smart smart people who have picked us out because of our limp wristed liberal politicians. They are economic migrants here to bag their free house and tax payer funded lifestyle at the expense of normal citizens.

    Irish people homeless on the streets and many unable to afford a mortgage, while a bunch of Mohammeds get a free house and money for life, laughing at us. Open your mouth and you're a "racist"

    This is a very sick country we live in now.

    No mate, its a sick world. Try a weekend break in Aleppo and come back and tell us with a straight face that ordinary people there dont deserve assistance. Yes, people in our Country have it bad, but we are very, very fortunate compared to some and it does not absolve us of a humane obligation to contribute.


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    #54
    Widdershins
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    I wonder what genius in Mayo co co thought it was a great idea to house Syrians next door to Travellers.

    Maybe Mary Robinson and family will set up a foundation to help them. She has form with refugees and is from around there. LOL.


    You have no idea how welcoming and kind traveller women can be to other women. The Syrian woman in the family could find that she has the best neighbour anyone could want.


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    #55
    PucaMama
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    Mr Joe wrote: »
    These aren't refugees, they could claim asylum in a lot closer areas than Ireland. They are smart smart people who have picked us out because of our limp wristed liberal politicians. They are economic migrants here to bag their free house and tax payer funded lifestyle at the expense of normal citizens.

    Irish people homeless on the streets and many unable to afford a mortgage, while a bunch of Mohammeds get a free house and money for life, laughing at us. Open your mouth and you're a "racist"

    This is a very sick country we live in now.
    Agreed. Economic migrants shouldn't come before actual Irish people in Ireland.


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    #56
    ChikiChiki
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    Not comfortable with Syrians leapfrogging the queue for housing when there are so many Irish families living homeless. We need to get our own house (excuse the pun) in order first.

    Also not comfortable a huge segment of a certain ethnic groups lack of contribution to society and would question how deserving they are of a house.


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    #57
    Widdershins
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    eviltwin wrote: »
    A lot of them are doing that by choice Ray and don't actually want to move into a settled community.

    True but clearly these ones do.

    And look at the welcome. Hardly any wonder some of them prefer to stay away.


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    #58
    eviltwin
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    Widdershins wrote: »
    True but clearly these ones do.

    And look at the welcome. Hardly any wonder some of them prefer to stay away.

    These ones already have a house. You can't get dibs on a house next door because you want your family member to move in.


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    #59
    PucaMama
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    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    Not comfortable with Syrians leapfrogging the queue for housing when there are so many Irish families living homeless. We need to get our own house (excuse the pun) in order first.

    Also not comfortable a huge segment of a certain ethnic groups lack of contribution to society and would question how deserving they are of a house.

    They are just as deserving as, say, a homeless drug addict or alcoholic. People want to help those. To help them sort themselves out. So why not travellers. Everyone on here knows the reasons behind how they live. But it's more fun to suggest every traveller ever is just a waste of space.


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    #60
    qo2cj1dsne8y4k
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    They're absolutely just as deserving, but not MORE deserving. There should be nobody sleeping on the streets or living in tents/caravans.


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    #61
    Widdershins
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    eviltwin wrote: »
    These ones already have a house. You can't get dibs on a house next door because you want your family member to move in.


    I haven't read anything about wanting to move next to family. Are the ones protesting currently living in rented accommodation?

    They must be in line for a place according to their position on the waiting list, no?


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