Travellers protesting the lodging of refugees in a local authority house(read post 1)

DredFX

Eight members of an itinerant family staged a protest outside County Hall in Castlebar, Co. Mayo today after council officials attempted to move Syrian refugees into a vacant house.

It’s believed that members of the Traveller family have been on a waiting list for local authority housing for “some time”.

“They are protesting because a vacant house, which has been vacant for some time, is being occupied by a Syrian family when some of their own family members have been on the list for ages, years, and haven’t been housed,” said local councillor Michael Kilcoyne.

Article quoted, courtesy of theJournal.ie

So, the bones and meat are that other travellers have been seeking to claim this house for a while now, only to be pushed aside in favour of a displaced, war-torn family from Syria.

What do you think of this? Should the itinerants or the refugees come first?


Mod-The first sign of Traveller or refugee bashing will be cracked down upon with an iron fist. This is the only warning that will be given.

Sciprio

I thought living in a house wasn't a part of their culture?

y0ssar1an22

:pac::pac::pac:

RayM

I see the Journal haven't enabled comments on that article, thus saving their regular contributors the stress of having to decide who they hate more, Travellers or refugees.

Gatling

DredFX wrote: »

Eight members of an itinerant family staged a protest outside County Hall in Castlebar, Co. Mayo today after council officials attempted to move Syrian refugees into a vacant house.



Article quoted, courtesy of theJournal.ie

So, the bones and meat are that other travellers have been seeking to claim this house for a while now, only to be pushed aside in favour of a displaced, war-torn family from Syria.

What do you think of this? Should the itinerants or the refugees come first?

This says it all really

"A number of local sources in the town say that a Traveller family living next door to the house in question were “not happy” about the Syrian family being housed there and protested outside the house as a result"

tomatofruit

I'm heading in to get popcorn. Don't start without me

Galwayguy35

If they came to protest in new SUV's and Transits let them buy their own house and leave the Syrians alone.

suicide_circus

RayM wrote: »

I see the Journal haven't enabled comments on that article, thus saving their regular contributors the stress of having to decide who they hate more, Travellers or refugees.

Actually I'm more interested in seeing the left leaning reaction as they'll find it hard to criticise either.

Ulysses Gaze

DredFX wrote: »

Eight members of an itinerant family staged a protest outside County Hall in Castlebar, Co. Mayo today after council officials attempted to move Syrian refugees into a vacant house.



Article quoted, courtesy of theJournal.ie

So, the bones and meat are that other travellers have been seeking to claim this house for a while now, only to be pushed aside in favour of a displaced, war-torn family from Syria.

What do you think of this? Should the itinerants or the refugees come first?


Mod-The first sign of Traveller or refugee bashing will be cracked down upon with an iron fist. This is the only warning that will be given.

Let's see what Pavee Point have to say.

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SEPT 23 1989

The neck of them thinking they can claim houses when they contribute absolutely nothing to the state

kona

I don't even know where to begin.

DredFX

DredFX wrote: »

Eight members of an itinerant family staged a protest outside County Hall in Castlebar, Co. Mayo today after council officials attempted to move Syrian refugees into a vacant house.



Article quoted, courtesy of theJournal.ie

So, the bones and meat are that other travellers have been seeking to claim this house for a while now, only to be pushed aside in favour of a displaced, war-torn family from Syria.

What do you think of this? Should the itinerants or the refugees come first?


Mod-The first sign of Traveller or refugee bashing will be cracked down upon with an iron fist. This is the only warning that will be given.

After hours answer: A fight to the death to see who get the house a simple swift answer to who should get it. Its a daft question with no correct answer.

DredFX

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

:pac::pac::pac:

This isn't the time to be playing Pacman.

Sleeper12

DredFX wrote:

What do you think of this? Should the itinerants or the refugees come first?

Whoever is the most needy. In this case the refugees

eviltwin

The irony of travellers protesting about another group getting perceived special treatment. Are settled folk allowed to apply for traveller specific housing? No. Never.seen any protesting outside council offices about that though.

whoopsadoodles

Worst part is, the refugees will eventually have to be moved. They'll never find peace in that house.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

People living on the side of the the road in a glorified tin can should not be something we see as a civilised society. If a family had been in a waiting list years, then they should be in line for social housing before people brought in from another country. Everybody should be treated the same. One persons homelessness is less important than the others. If there is a waiting list in place then it should be followed. Of course if the family in question were on the list longer than the travellers then I can understand the outrage over

suicide_circus

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Whoever is the most needy. In this case the refugees

Dats descriminatory against de travelling peeple

irishgeo

Its probabaly been turned down by traveller families before as not big enough for them.

Little CuChulainn

It's no secret that travelers demand to be housed near family. There are whole estates dedicated to one or two families. I feel sorry for the Syrian family. They will most likely not have a good time living in that house.

Sue Pa Key Pa

My thoughts are with the Syrian family. Their troubles are far from over

irishgeo

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

It's no secret that travelers demand to be housed near family. There are whole estates dedicated to one or two families. I feel sorry for the Syrian family. They will most likely not have a good time living in that house.

why should the traveller familes get to decide where they live. No other families do. Its take the house or leave it.

pappyodaniel

After a week of living in Cashelbar they'll be pining for the death and destruction of Aleppo.

irishgeo

pappyodaniel wrote: »

After a week of living in Cashelbar they'll be pining for the death and destruction of Aleppo.

its not that bad.:D

Spanish Eyes

I wonder what genius in Mayo co co thought it was a great idea to house Syrians next door to Travellers.

Maybe Mary Robinson and family will set up a foundation to help them. She has form with refugees and is from around there. LOL.

Omackeral

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

The neck of them thinking they can claim houses when they contribute absolutely nothing to the state

Which group are you referring to?




:P

um7y1h83ge06nx

Forget about the Syrian army, ISIS and rebels, Travelers are a whole different animal!

I think it's hilarious, if it was settled people protesting against Travelers all the hippies and Pavee Point would be up in arms.

eviltwin

LexieOnRale wrote: »

People living on the side of the the road in a glorified tin can should not be something we see as a civilised society. If a family had been in a waiting list years, then they should be in line for social housing before people brought in from another country. Everybody should be treated the same. One persons homelessness is less important than the others. If there is a waiting list in place then it should be followed. Of course if the family in question were on the list longer than the travellers then I can understand the outrage over

The people protesting have a house. They live in the house next door to the refugees. They are protesting because they want the house to go to their own family. Sense of entitlement or what ?

suicide_circus

irishgeo wrote: »

why should the traveller familes get to decide where they live. No other families do. Its take the house or leave it.

Actually there have been plenty of cases of people on housing lists refusing free houses based on location. This type of refusal is however generally restricted to those with little or no work experience or tax contributions. Funny how things work out.

The Wolverine

I dont care whether they are travellers, settled Irish or some polish family here for years, if they are on the list they should be housed before these people being brought in refugees or not that goes for everyone on housing lists where supposed refugees are being housed not just this case

Sue Pa Key Pa

Would you all just wait until EOTR has finished his tea. Bit of manners please

whoopsadoodles

The Wolverine wrote: »

I dont care whether they are travellers, settled Irish or some polish family here for years, if they are on the list they should be housed before these people being brought in refugees or not that goes for everyone on housing lists where supposed refugees are being housed not just this case

Ah stop.

Being on a list doesn't mean you need a house it just means you're eligible to be on the list!

pablo128

suicide_circus wrote: »

Actually there have been plenty of cases of people on housing lists refusing free houses based on location. This type of refusal is however generally restricted to those with little or no work experience or tax contributions. Funny how things work out.

I get your point, but the houses are not free. Like any other rented house, rent must be paid on it. So they are not free.

Carry on.

DredFX

whoopsadoodles wrote: »

Ah stop.

Being on a list doesn't mean you need a house it just means you're eligible to be on the list!

To get a house.

RayM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Actually I'm more interested in seeing the left leaning reaction as they'll find it hard to criticise either.

Perhaps the criticism could be directed not at two under-privileged groups being pitted against each other, but at the system that encourages this to happen.

Mr Joe

Well well well, been saying this would happen for some time and I was mocked. The Irish Government think they can land 12,000 - 20,000 Syrian refugees to Ireland without adequate housing and shove them to the top of the Council housing list ahead of people and families who have been waiting 5 - 10 years.

This is only the start and is going to cause real tensions in communities these refugees are placed in. Happened in Britain and mainland Europe it will happen here. Bottom line is these refugees should never have been accepted, we do not have the housing to support these people, and even there was, they should have been bottom of the list like Irish citizens.

suicide_circus

pablo128 wrote: »

I get your point, but the houses are not free. Like any other rented house, rent must be paid on it. So they are not free.

Carry on.

Actually i wont carry on.

if you don't work and have never worked, where does your rent money come from?

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

eviltwin wrote: »

The people protesting have a house. They live in the house next door to the refugees. They are protesting because they want the house to go to their own family. Sense of entitlement or what ?

Ahh okay, that makes more sense. Yeah social housing shouldn't be given out to people because their mam lives next door. If people are turning houses down then they're clearly not in great need. I do think though - there should be no que skipping, irregardless of who you are, single man, single mother, traveller or refugee.

suicide_circus

RayM wrote: »

Perhaps the criticism could be directed not at two under-privileged groups being pitted against each other, but at the system that encourages this to happen.

Agree 100%. However the system being disgustingly immoral dosnt mean that some of us plebs arent taking the piss to the detriment of other plebs.

RayM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Actually i wont carry on.

if you don't work and have never worked, where does your rent money come from?

Do we actually know whether the people in question work, don't work, used to work or never worked?

whoopsadoodles

DredFX wrote: »

To get a house.

If, at some point you need it more than anyone else on the list.

Not in order of when you went on it.

But you both know that of course.

pablo128

suicide_circus wrote: »

Actually i wont carry on.

if you don't work and have never worked, where does your rent money come from?

Do all social housing tenants not work?

This argument has been done to death. The houses are not free. If you don't pay your rent, eventually you will be fcuked out.

Carry on.

Omackeral

Sue Pa Key Pa wrote: »

Would you all just wait until EOTR has finished his tea. Bit of manners please

Still waiting for him to answer my question on another thread that he cowered out of not once but twice.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=101742294#post101742294

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=101745671#post101745671

suicide_circus

If you have never worked and thus never paid income tax, you have not contributed to the pool of money from which social welfare payments originate. Therefore paying rent from social welfare is de facto a free house for you. It's not rocket science.

SEPT 23 1989

RayM wrote: »

Perhaps the criticism could be directed not at two under-privileged groups being pitted against each other, but at the system that encourages this to happen.

Travellers under privileged?

Get off the stage

DredFX

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Travellers under privileged?

Get off the stage

Well, they do have an awful time finding houses, in fairness.

RayM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Travellers under privileged?

Get off the stage

Yes, Travellers are underprivileged.

For example, the people in question are living in small caravans in an industrial estate.

Widdershins

should travellers or refugees come first. If the refugees first safe haven they should come first as their need is most urgent (assuming travellers have some form of accommodation at the time and arent literally on the streets.) as it is not their first port of call it should be a matter of who was on the waiting list longest.

Kadser

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

The neck of them thinking they can claim houses when they contribute absolutely nothing to the state

Exactly, send them back to Syria!

eviltwin

RayM wrote: »

Yes, Travellers are underprivileged.

For example, the people in question are living in small caravans in an industrial estate.

A lot of them are doing that by choice Ray and don't actually want to move into a settled community.

AgileMyth

Mr Joe wrote: »

Irish people homeless on the streets and many unable to afford a mortgage, while a bunch of Mohammeds get a free house and money for life, laughing at us. Open your mouth and you're a "racist" .

It's hard not to call you a racist when you refer to them as a bunch of Mohammeds to be fair.