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    #92
    Smondie
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    A Norwegian solmalian with a house in London.

    He gets around.


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    #93
    Smondie
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    A Norwegian solmalian with a house in London.

    He gets around.


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    #94
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    Beefy78 wrote: »
    There are 30 knife crimes in London every day.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-36411782

    The horrible incident in Russell Square was actually the second mass stabbing resulting in a death in London just yesterday. The first for some reason didn't make the headlines.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/aug/03/man-dies-wandsworth-south-london-stabbing

    There's no real need to wait on the name in order to know if the attacker last night was a Muslim man or not. If he wasn't then it wouldn't have made the news, it would just be another on the long list of horrible knife attacks in London.

    Put away the pitch forks lads

    http://m.independent.ie/world-news/europe/britain/london-knife-attack-woman-killed-in-stabbing-rampage-was-us-citizen-34938426.html
    Meanwhile, a woman who witnessed the aftermath of the Russell Square stabbings has told how she saw a black man running away from police, carrying a knife with blood on his hands.

    no evidence has been found of radicalisation that would suggest the man in custody was "in any way motivated by terrorism".


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    #95
    Mr. CooL ICE
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    conorhal wrote: »
    It doesn't seem to stop you demonizing mentally ill people though, that's fine it seems.

    Mod:

    The poster you are quoting did nothing of the sort. Drop it.


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    #96
    Alive1
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    Butters1979 wrote: »
    You are trying to stop discussion about a very real issue, by using deflection and shame tactics.

    Any examples of that pathetic claim??


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    #97
    A Little Pony
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    Lucky he didn't have a machine gun.


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    #98
    [Deleted User]
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    failinis wrote: »
    I had to go to London last year when there were warnings about "when" an attack would happen, still used the underground when a colleague refused and took the bus everywhere. You just have to take your chances but if that risk is too much then I guess its better you feel more secure.

    I have lived near Russell Square in the past, its a safe enough area in my eyes, if you are going to London to visit friends or if its for work, do go down that area, the Brit museum is there and nice public gardens.

    I was at a festival recently in London, with "when" still in the air, and I got on the underground, stayed with crowds of people, heck, even had a Muslim staying in the hostel room with me and, as it turned out, the hostel was actually in an area populated by Muslims and other religions, all in their religious garbs.

    And not once did the possibility of a terrorist attack happening enter my head. Why? Because, realistically I'm much more likely to get killed by a car while crossing the road here in Galway than I am of dying/being injured in a terrorist attack anywhere else. But it wouldn't stop me from going outside and crossing the road, so why should it stop me from travelling?


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    #99
    Alive1
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    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Lucky he didn't have a machine gun.

    I wouldnt imagine it would be that easy for a mentally disturbed forigner to get their hands on a machine gun in London.


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    #100
    Butters1979
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    Shenshen wrote: »
    And once the media confirm that there's an Islamist connection, and you get your happy "told you so!" moment online ... what difference will it make to your life?

    A woman is dead, and some people worry that innocents will suffer as a result. I'm not sure what deflection you're seeing here.

    More guilt and deflection bull****ology. Show me where I ever sad what it was. I never said it was a terrorist attack, nor would I be happy if it turned out to be so there would be no 'told you so' from me.
    I specifically said it could be more that one thing. My point was there is good reason to suspect it might have been terrorist, or that it might have been a crazy person. We can't discuss that with the same people on here every day trying to shut down those discussions.


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    #101
    Harry Palmr
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    Claims the person responsible was a middle eastern man.
    lertsnim wrote: »
    Did they say where they got that from? The American news channels are always quick to scream terrorism.
    Bobthefireman wrote: »
    My money is on Mohammad being involved somewhere.
    shedweller wrote: »
    Ah here. They are falling over themselves to say its not islamic terrorism or just islamic nutjobs.
    And nobody is downplaying. Haha!
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Lucky he didn't have a machine gun.

    Welcome to After Hours 2016.

    The suspect left Norway in 2002 according to the Norwegian fuzz and given he is only 19 that means he has basically grown up in England.


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    #102
    Butters1979
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    Alive1 wrote: »
    Any examples of that pathetic claim??

    In the post of yours I quoted.


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    #103
    Alive1
    Registered Users Posts: 99 ✭✭Alive1


    Butters1979 wrote: »
    In the post of yours I quoted.

    I'll take that as no then, as expressing sympathy for the victim is hardly trying to shut a discussion down or guilt tripping anyone.


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    #104
    Butters1979
    Registered Users Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭Butters1979


    Alive1 wrote: »
    I'll take that as no then, as expressing sympathy for the victim is hardly trying to shut a discussion down or guilt tripping anyone.

    No you won't take it as no. You expressed 'sympathy' for the victim in a way of accusing someone else of not doing so, so as to deflect from their point in the first place. Counter their point instead of just implying someone has no sympathy for the victims because they have a different point of view to you. That's what's pathetic.


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    #105
    Alive1
    Registered Users Posts: 99 ✭✭Alive1


    Butters1979 wrote: »
    No you won't take it as no. You expressed 'sympathy' for the victim in a way of accusing someone else of not doing so, so as to deflect from their point in the first place. Counter their point instead of just implying someone has no sympathy for the victims because they have a different point of view to you. That's what's pathetic.

    My veiw being that i reported what the police and the BBC said???
    Or you going for me because I chose to express sympathy and an RIP for the victim?
    Enough of the personal digs at me , they are unwarranted.


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    #106
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    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Welcome to After Hours 2016.

    The suspect left Norway in 2002 according to the Norwegian fuzz and given he is only 19 that means he has basically grown up in England.

    Not just "After Hours 2016", but the media as well. I mean, CNN have already labeled it a "terrorist" attack, with zero evidence to back up this claim.

    Someone has been arrested for this crime and they'll be treated and, likely, jailed accordingly or, at least, will never see the outside of a psychological hospital, if it is deemed that they are mentally ill.


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    #107
    Butters1979
    Registered Users Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭Butters1979


    Alive1 wrote: »
    My veiw being that i reported what the police and the BBC said???
    Or you going for me because I chose to express sympathy and an RIP for the victim?
    Enough of the personal digs at me , they are unwarranted.

    I'm responding to your posts. Not one personnel attack on you. And it's the way you chose to use sympathy for the victims as a tool to retort someone else and imply they did not have is sympathy is what I find so vile. So stop claiming personnel digs. Another deflection.
    Alive1 wrote: »
    Pretty sick thing to say.
    A woman is dead, a family are mourning, people are injured.
    Thats all that matters right now, and RIP to the poor victim.

    You told them it was a 'sick thing to say' followed it up with how someone was dead implying they don't care about that then said 'that's all that matters right now'. That is exactly what trying to shut down discussion is.


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    #108
    Shenshen
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    Butters1979 wrote: »
    More guilt and deflection bull****ology. Show me where I ever sad what it was. I never said it was a terrorist attack, nor would I be happy if it turned out to be so there would be no 'told you so' from me.
    I specifically said it could be more that one thing. My point was there is good reason to suspect it might have been terrorist, or that it might have been a crazy person. We can't discuss that with the same people on here every day trying to shut down those discussions.

    Please explain to me what I was trying to deflect from?
    As there would be very few reasons I can think of for anyone not radicalised or insane (or both) to go out and kill random strangers, and people have been discussing this for 8 pages now, what exactly is it you feel can't be discussed?


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    #109
    Butters1979
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    Shenshen wrote: »
    Please explain to me what I was trying to deflect from?
    As there would be very few reasons I can think of for anyone not radicalised or insane (or both) to go out and kill random strangers, and people have been discussing this for 8 pages now, what exactly is it you feel can't be discussed?

    You tried to say I would be happy if it was Islamic related and would be on here saying I told you so. I never said it was Islamic related I said it could be one of two things. So why would I be happy if it was. And even if I did predict it was Islamic related why would I be happy? Bassically you either didn't read what I said or purposely chose to distort it. Just read your reply to me.

    People are genuinely concerned about this issue and anyone discussing that concern here gets accused of being delighted when it happens, of pushing some agenda and of not having concern for he victims. That's why I feel it can't be discussed. It happens in every thread. The same people trying to deflect away from the discussion by arguing the nationality, demanding statistics, suggesting as Irish we can't criticise terrorist because of the IRA histroy, talking about your chances of a car crash or just downright implying we're talking pleasure in all this. Believe me I am not. I wish this stuff wasn't happening and we didn't have these threads. But here we are and once again it's full of people trying to suppress the issue.


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    #110
    The_Kew_Tour
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    The Gentleman is of Somalian decent.

    No surprise really


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    #111
    Alive1
    Registered Users Posts: 99 ✭✭Alive1


    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    The Gentleman is of Somalian decent.

    No surprise really

    Why?
    Really why?
    The London Metropolitan Police are still saying mental health issue is their main focus.
    Or are you implying that all persons of Somalian descent pose a threat to the world???


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    #112
    Alive1
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    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-36972126

    A man has been arrested on suspicion of murder after a US citizen was killed and five other people were injured in a knife attack in central London.
    Police believe the attack in Russell Square on Wednesday was "spontaneous", with victims "selected at random".
    The woman who died was thought to be in her 60s. The injured people were from Britain, America, Israel and Australia.
    Police arrested a 19-year-old Norwegian national of Somali origin. They say there is no evidence of radicalisation.
    The Met Police's assistant commissioner for specialist operations, Mark Rowley, said the investigation "increasingly points" to the attack being "triggered by mental health issues".


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    #113
    The_Kew_Tour
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    Alive1 wrote: »
    Why?
    Really why?
    The London Metropolitan Police are still saying mental health issue is their main focus.
    Or are you implying that all persons of Somalian descent pose a threat to the world???

    Well I have been to Somalia,I have dealt with quite a few and yes many are off their head.

    Mental health issue is a poor lame excuse. It's amazing that many have mental health issues bur continue to murder and kill.

    Ask people from Scandinavia what they think of Somalian refugees too. Most won't have much nice things to say.


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    #114
    Alive1
    Registered Users Posts: 99 ✭✭Alive1


    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

    Mental health issue is a poor lame excuse.

    A lame excuse for what, being unstable??
    By there very nature certain, not all, but certain mental health issues can cause people to become extremely violent


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    #115
    Fabb
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    It is funny how most people with mental health issues usually lock themselves away and contemplate suicide.


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    #116
    Beefy78
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    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    Well I have been to Somalia,I have dealt with quite a few and yes many are off their head.

    Mental health issue is a poor lame excuse. It's amazing that many have mental health issues bur continue to murder and kill.

    Ask people from Scandinavia what they think of Somalian refugees too. Most won't have much nice things to say.

    Mo Farah turned out alright :)


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    #117
    mewe
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    The_Kew_Tour wrote:
    Well I have been to Somalia,I have dealt with quite a few and yes many are off their head.

    The_Kew_Tour wrote:
    Mental health issue is a poor lame excuse. It's amazing that many have mental health issues bur continue to murder and kill.


    I think you're off your head after reading that post.


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    #118
    BalcombeSt4
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    Claims the person responsible was a middle eastern man.

    Hopefully he's just an insane Middle Eastern man and not a terrorist Middle Eastern man.


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    #119
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    The Gentleman is of Somalian decent.

    No surprise really

    Why?


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    #120
    The_Kew_Tour
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    Alive1 wrote: »
    A lame excuse for what, being unstable??
    By there very nature certain, not all, but certain mental health issues can cause people to become extremely violent
    Beefy78 wrote: »
    Mo Farah turned out alright :)

    He killed an American, hurted a Jewish Person and Australian.

    I suppose its just sheer coincidence again, oh ya im off my head. Im off to murder few people I dont like and call it Mental Health issue, sure you just said im off my head;)

    im tad sarcastic


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    #121
    Alive1
    Registered Users Posts: 99 ✭✭Alive1


    BalcombeSt4 wrote: »
    Hopefully he's just an insane Middle Eastern man and not a terrorist Middle Eastern man.

    Hes Norwegian,
    Norway is not in the Middle East its in Northern Europe.


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