Knife Attack London

The_Valeyard

Horrible reports on a fatal stabbing of one woman, and six other people in London.


Terrorism has not been ruled out and the story is still in a very early stage.


http://news.sky.com/story/terror-not-ruled-out-in-deadly-knife-attack-10522062


Story so far:

"A woman has been killed and five other people injured in a knife attack, in which police have not ruled out terrorism.

Police were called to reports of an armed man attacking people in Russell Square, London, shortly after 10.30pm on Wednesday.

Officers attending the scene found up to six people injured.

A woman was treated at the scene but was declared dead a short time later.

The condition of the other people hurt has not been released.

A man was arrested just minutes later after a Taser was fired by one of the police officers"


London has been on high alert for the past while now, they were expecting something to happen, one has to wonder if this was it, or part of it.

Mods: feel free to add or edit if needed (bed time)

Edit: 11:53 4th Aug


One American woman died (RIP)

Those in hospital expected to make a full recovery.

A suspect is in custody. He is not known to authorities and no longer believe the attack was motivated by terror. It appears that mental health issues maybe at play here.

DominoDub

Sh*t I spent 5 days around Russell Square two weeks ago ...felt very safe walking around ..:eek:

The_Valeyard

DominoDub wrote: »

Sh*t I spent 5 days around Russell Square two weeks ago ...felt very safe walking around ..:eek:

Yeah, its quite a nice spot.


Hoping its just some insane person rather than terrorism, with all the increase in xenophobia in England at the moment, this will not help things.

foggy_lad

Probably just some nut job had a row with his wife after too much booze or cheap drugs or "legal highs".

Noveight

Police were called to reports of an armed man attacking people in Russell Square, shortly at 10.33pm on Wednesday.

A man was arrested at 10.39pm after a Taser was fired by one of the police officers.

Six or so minutes between being called and making an arrest.

Fair play to them.

The_Valeyard

Noveight wrote: »

Six or so minutes between being called and making an arrest.

Fair play to them.

I often found that about London, you might not see many police, but when anything happens (fights, etc) police show up very quickly. Probably all the CCTV in operation.

kumate_champ07

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Yeah, its quite a nice spot.


Hoping its just some insane person rather than terrorism, with all the increase in xenophobia in England at the moment, this will not help things.

whats the difference? anyone who would do that is insane

RobertKK

Police will give a news conference at 3.30am.

RobertKK

CNN say it is believed to be a terrorist attack.

One of the injured is American.

The_Valeyard

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

whats the difference? anyone who would do that is insane

Oh, of course there insane. Anyone who acts that way is mental. My fear is that if it was a planned attack, minority racial groups could be on the receiving end of hostility and abuse. Also be more of a rallying call for right wing elements.

Grayson

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

whats the difference? anyone who would do that is insane

I believe the answer was in the second part of the sentence that you quoted but didn't bold.

Minderbinder

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Oh, of course there insane. Anyone who acts that way is mental. My fear is that if it was a planned attack, minority racial groups could be on the receiving end of hostility and abuse. Also be more of a rallying call for right wing elements.

Why are you politicizing it yourself if your worried about it being politicized?

RobertKK

Claims the person responsible was a middle eastern man.

Dreannz

I'm around Russell Square a lot as I spend so much time in Queens Square Hospital.
I would leave very late after appointments and always feel safe around Queens Sq and Russell Sq.
My power wheelchair is so fast I'd consider it a weapon though, I feel like I've always some defense with me. I can just run people over.
It makes me feel a bit safer but this is just scary.

failinis

Bbc seem to be saying mental health is a factor but they can not rule anything out yet.

A 19-year-old man was arrested at 22:39 after a Taser was discharged by an officer. The Met said mental health was a "significant factor" in the events.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36972126

Same as Dreannz - when I was in London it was 15mins from Russell Street and often used the station late at night. Its a nice and safe area. I think there is a huge hostel near there too.
(On phone so apologies for messed up quoting)

Fabb

It was a spooky ghost

lertsnim

RobertKK wrote: »

CNN say it is believed to be a terrorist attack.

One of the injured is American.

Did they say where they got that from? The American news channels are always quick to scream terrorism.

kyogger

foggy_lad wrote: »

Probably just some nut job had a row with his wife after too much booze or cheap drugs or "legal highs".

What's the difference between booze and a 'legal high'?

sullivlo

kyogger wrote: »

What's the difference between booze and a 'legal high'?

Booze is regulated.

Legal highs are essentially recreational drugs that have been modified to get around the legal aspect of drugs. They're legal until the law is updated to make them illegal, and then they modify them again. They can cause unpredictable side effects as they're not regulated or tested and there can be huge variation of responses within different people.

Tombi!

Fabb wrote: »

It was a spooky ghost

mod: consider this your only warning: don't make jokes like this again

Ulysses Gaze

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Oh, of course there insane. Anyone who acts that way is mental. My fear is that if it was a planned attack, minority racial groups could be on the receiving end of hostility and abuse. Also be more of a rallying call for right wing elements.

My concern would be for the dead lady and the injured.

But that's just me.

suicide_circus

Good to see the use of the taser, no need for 5 rounds to the chest

from_atozinc

suicide_circus wrote: »

Good to see the use of the taser, no need for 5 rounds to the chest

I wouldn't lose a wink if the person did get 5 rounds to the chest. I'm sure the family of the woman killed would be the same.

RobertKK

RobertKK wrote: »

CNN say it is believed to be a terrorist attack.

One of the injured is American.

D'ya reckon they're only crying terrorism because one of them is American?

Knife crime has been a huge problem in London for a very long time. This isn't anything new, sadly.

Megahead

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

My concern would be for the dead lady and the injured.

But that's just me.

I'm sure your're terribly concerned for someone you've never heard of or met.

But that's just you.

Little CuChulainn

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

My concern would be for the dead lady and the injured.

But that's just me.

You can be concerned for more than one thing at a time you know.

The_Valeyard

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Oh, of course there insane. Anyone who acts that way is mental. My fear is that if it was a planned attack, minority racial groups could be on the receiving end of hostility and abuse. Also be more of a rallying call for right wing elements.

so your initial concern is welfare of minority groups then?? eehh OK!!

Ulysses Gaze

Megahead wrote: »

I'm sure your're terribly concerned for someone you've never heard of or met.

But that's just you.

Yes....because you know me so well having met me and discussed these things with me.

You can be concerned for more than one thing at a time you know.

Of course...but when the first thing that is posted is the potential political ramifications, rather than human empathy, it is a misplaced concern.

stunmer

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

whats the difference? anyone who would do that is insane

I hope the perpetrator turns out to be insane and is not a terrorist. This could be insanity, terrorism, a mix of both or something else.

If it turns out to be terrorism we can discuss exactly how this does not fit into our normal definition of insanity. I'm not going to go into it until I hear more details as it is too early to speculate.

Bobthefireman

If mental health has been cited as a factor, it's likely there has been a leak that he has a history of mental illness/treatment. Sadly, I feel those with mental health issues are more vulnerable to radicalisation, so terrorism could also be a factor.

Ave Sodalis

Ulysses Gaze wrote:

Of course...but when the first thing that is posted is the potential political ramifications, rather than human empathy, it is a misplaced concern.

Generally, when someone is attacked, I would have thought pity and sadness for the victims goes without saying. However, it seems it now needs to be said in very clear terms to quell the moral high horsers before expressing any other sort of opinion. Funny old world we live in...

SEPT 23 1989

I feel sorry for people with genuine mental health issues having to listen to this after every attack

up for anything

Any right thinking person can feel both sadness and concern for individuals they've never met but can think about them there but for the grace of the he who cannot not be named go I, and also for the political concerns raised by the incident.

If boards had been around at the end of June, 1914 - this thread would have had very similar sentiments in many ways - As a thread it's looking like a good one. All the usual thread denizens have been out and had their spake. Now for the repetition.

getzls

Cause of insanity found.
Islam

Fabb

getzls wrote: »

Cause of insanity found.
Islam

And why do feel it to be this way?

shedweller

Is there any information on the attacker? Name? Photo?

The_Valeyard

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Yes....because you know me so well having met me and discussed these things with me.




Of course...but when the first thing that is posted is the potential political ramifications, rather than human empathy, it is a misplaced concern.

F*ck this post. I started by saying horrible reports but little information. The concern and empathy was obvious, sorry you could not see that, rather trying to get some dig in.

shedweller

Fabb wrote: »

And why do feel it to be this way?

Probably because mental health issues were mentioned as the cause.
And the speed of the diagnosis.
Feckin nhs is a top class service!

Bobthefireman

shedweller wrote: »

Is there any information on the attacker? Name? Photo?

My money is on Mohammad being involved somewhere.

shedweller

Bobthefireman wrote: »

My money is on Mohammad being involved somewhere.

Ah jaysus theres no need for that....

Alive1

getzls wrote: »

Cause of insanity found.
Islam

Eh??? Evidence??

Walter H Price

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I feel sorry for people with genuine mental health issues having to listen to this after every attack

Yeh i have a diagnosed mental illness , pisses me all the way off after every one of these attacks that words like insane or nut job can be freely thrown around by the liberal sheeple but mention Islam or Muslims and well your just a xenophipic , uneducated , bigotted , racisit arn't you.

Thees "People" are not screeming Bi Polar , Depression , Anxiext before stabing , shooting beheading , running over or blowing up innocent westerners they are screemin ALLAH AKBAR , Islam is the common thread here not mental illness a religion of opression , intolerance and violence

Bobthefireman

Sky's Martin Brunt has tweeted that he has been arrested for murder and terrorism has been removed...

conorhal

The_Valeyard wrote: »

F*ck this post. I started by saying horrible reports but little information. The concern and empathy was obvious, sorry you could not see that, rather trying to get some dig in.

Sure.

Right off the bat we have the classic 'the real victims of this tragedy are ordinary Muslims' meme, followed quickly the the attackers diagnosis as 'mentally ill', without the attacker even being identified, somehow I have little confidence in the ability of comentators to make such a claim without any access to his medical records, and then we have a new one on me, it's probably legal highs!
The only only thing 'self evident' about your post is it's agenda.

What next? 'Don't pre judge this incident! You don't know that he wasn't simply advertising Ali's Snackbar!'

robbiezero

Bobthefireman wrote: »

Sky's Martin Brunt has tweeted that he has been arrested for murder and terrorism has been removed...

Martin Brunt eh, he always looked so harmless.

Alive1

conorhal wrote: »

Sure.


The only only thing 'self evident' about your post is it's agenda.

From the BBC News Website
Kevin Hurley, former lead on counter terrorism at City of London Police, told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "First and foremost, the tragic event that occurred could have happened at any day of the week in any street in our cities, because there are lots of mentally disordered people who should be in hospital and who are out and about. This is not unusual. We should not jump to conclusions and say that this is terrorist-related.
"However, it is another reminder of the fact that we need to do more, potentially, to stop people from being groomed on the internet and hate creatures spreading some unpleasantness.
"But let's remember, you're much more likely to likely to die or be badly injured in your home, than you will either by a mentally disordered person, or indeed a terrorist."

shedweller

Ah here. They are falling over themselves to say its not islamic terrorism or just islamic nutjobs.
And nobody is downplaying. Haha!

Alive1

shedweller wrote: »

Ah here. They are falling over themselves to say its not islamic terrorism or just islamic nutjobs.
And nobody is downplaying. Haha!

Ever criminal act in the world is not an act of Islamic Terrorism, I mean you do know that?

shedweller

Alive1 wrote: »

Ever criminal act in the world is not an act of Islamic Terrorism, I mean you do know that?

I do indeed.

The_Valeyard

conorhal wrote: »

The only only thing 'self evident' about your post is it's agenda.

What next? 'Don't pre judge this incident! You don't know that he wasn't simply advertising Ali's Snackbar!'

My agenda? Paranoid much?
We dont know the facts yet, but please dont let that stop you from going on a rant about Muslims.

conorhal

Alive1 wrote: »

From the BBC News Website
Kevin Hurley, former lead on counter terrorism at City of London Police, told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "First and foremost, the tragic event that occurred could have happened at any day of the week in any street in our cities, because there are lots of mentally disordered people who should be in hospital and who are out and about. This is not unusual. We should not jump to conclusions and say that this is terrorist-related.
"However, it is another reminder of the fact that we need to do more, potentially, to stop people from being groomed on the internet and hate creatures spreading some unpleasantness.
"But let's remember, you're much more likely to likely to die or be badly injured in your home, than you will either by a mentally disordered person, or indeed a terrorist."

That's a vague generalization that reads more like pre-emptive PR spin, which BTW, no less pre-judging events than I am. My (perhaps admittedly premature) pre-judgement however is based on probability, or has there not been a pattern of attacks in major European capitals by jihadist leaning nutters lately?