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Rugby at the olympics. The draw is as follows ....

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  • 28-06-2016 8:17pm
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    Group A: Fiji, United States, Argentina, Brazil.

    Group B: South Africa, Australia, France, Spain.

    Group C: New Zealand, Britain, Kenya, Japan.


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    pickarooney
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    Hard to believe Spain are better than Samoa


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    Felix Jones is God
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    Ireland and Italy are the only 2 major nations not there ....not sure I'm too bothered in truth


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    JaCrispy
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    Felix Jones is God wrote: »
    Ireland and Italy are the only 2 major nations not there ....not sure I'm too bothered in truth

    Wales and Scotland?


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    Adbrowne
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    JaCrispy wrote: »
    Wales and Scotland?

    britain :)


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    ThisRegard
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    JaCrispy wrote: »
    Wales and Scotland?

    Covered by Britain. (Until the next referendum)

    What sort of panel line up for those teams?


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    moleyv
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    Actually is the Irish team ROI, or all island. Since its normally GB & NI in the Olympics.


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    Glenbhoy
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    moleyv wrote: »
    Actually is the Irish team ROI, or all island. Since its normally GB & NI in the Olympics.

    It's not really, it depends on the individual, I'd say the vast majority of northerners who have competed at Olympic games have done so for Ireland (45% of the population would choose to do so regardless, persons from the other 55% often see their representative chances increase by declaring for Ireland).

    In Irish rugby's case as it's an All Ireland sport, then presumably the rugby sevens were based on the players under the IRFU jurisdiction.


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    The Lost Sheep
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    Adbrowne wrote: »
    Group A: Fiji, United States, Argentina, Brazil.

    Group B: South Africa, Australia, France, Spain.

    Group C: New Zealand, Britain, Kenya, Japan.
    Suppose we may as well have separate thread for the tournament...
    Below are teams in Womens tournament
    Brazil, Oz, Canada, GB, NZ, Columbia, US, France, Kenya, Fiji, Japan, Spain
    Felix Jones is God wrote: »
    Ireland and Italy are the only 2 major nations not there ....not sure I'm too bothered in truth
    Think we're missing out and we should considering how much others are using 7s...
    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Covered by Britain. (Until the next referendum)

    What sort of panel line up for those teams?
    Squads? Will be mainly specialists but there is some 15s who've crossed over.
    moleyv wrote: »
    Actually is the Irish team ROI, or all island. Since its normally GB & NI in the Olympics.
    All island. No NI would make GB side anyway...


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    moleyv
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    Glenbhoy wrote:
    In Irish rugby's case as it's an All Ireland sport, then presumably the rugby sevens were based on the players under the IRFU jurisdiction.


    Yes I understand a person from the north would be able to choose their preference, but the teams would be called ROI and GB & NI?

    The normal sevens team would be just Ireland? So would they have to change entity for the Olympics (if they were in it).

    These are questions by the way, not me stating facts, its just questions that came to me as I don't really follow sevens.


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    The Lost Sheep
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    moleyv wrote: »
    Yes I understand a person from the north would be able to choose their preference, but the teams would be called ROI and GB & NI?

    The normal sevens team would be just Ireland? So would they have to change entity for the Olympics (if they were in it).

    These are questions by the way, not me stating facts, its just questions that came to me as I don't really follow sevens.
    They wouldn't be able to choose. IRFU said they wouldn't and there would have to have been a legal challenge to that. The IRFU and each of unions in Eng, Scot, Wales essentially made an agreement that NI players would play for Ireland.
    The normal 7s team would just be Ireland but the entity wouldn't essentially have to change as the Olympic eligibility is different.


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    moleyv
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    Thanks for the clarifications.

    Are the games going to be played in a traditional sevens tournament style, or more spread out?

    I kind of hope its spread out, I'd be more willing to watch then.


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    ThisRegard
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    Squads? Will be mainly specialists but there is some 15s who've crossed over.
    ..

    As in they're all professionals playing for union or league club teams, with some players not playing high level club rugby but pretty good at sevens, or a little from every column? I've seen the make up of the GB team so wondering how the other countries approach it.


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    The Lost Sheep
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    moleyv wrote: »
    Thanks for the clarifications.

    Are the games going to be played in a traditional sevens tournament style, or more spread out?

    I kind of hope its spread out, I'd be more willing to watch then.
    I understand games will be slightly more spread out. There is only 12 teams and games will be played over 3 days. There is 3 groups of 4 followed by quarters etc.


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    The Lost Sheep
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    ThisRegard wrote: »
    As in they're all professionals playing for union or league club teams, with some players not playing high level club rugby but pretty good at sevens, or a little from every column? I've seen the make up of the GB team so wondering how the other countries approach it.
    The GB team is mainly 7s specialists though is it not? There is some club pros playing. Who are the league guys involved?
    Look up, google countries.... . Most countries will overwhelmingly use the players they've used in world series with the odd 15 man game star crossing over for the games


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    moleyv wrote: »
    ... Since its normally GB & NI in the Olympics.


    No, it's not. It's normally "GB" at the Olympics, NI usually not mentioned.

    Of course, most NI competitors choose to compete for IRL as others have said. If they want to compete for GB, they can, but the name of the team doesn't change.


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    moleyv
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    locum-motion wrote:
    No, it's not. It's normally "GB" at the Olympics, NI usually not mentioned.


    I disagree. Team GB, or when they give it its full title, they say Great Britain and Northern Ireland. I lived in the north during the 2012 Olympics so its something that stuck with me.

    In the corner of the TV it would just say GB.


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    ArmaniJeanss
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    I understand games will be slightly more spread out. There is only 12 teams and games will be played over 3 days. There is 3 groups of 4 followed by quarters etc.

    That's almost too spread out.
    3 groups so just 18 group games in total. Then 7 knockout games. Though they'll presumably have plates and shields and stuff for lower placings.
    But they are having two different three hour ticketing slots on each of the three days, so difficult to see how theres enough games to spread it out such that's its a worthwhile ticket to buy.
    https://smsprio2016-a.akamaihd.net/sport/rtfhAw/rio2016_spectator_guide_og_rugby_en.pdf (page 2)


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    The Lost Sheep
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    ArmaniJeanss wrote: »
    That's almost too spread out.
    3 groups so just 18 group games in total. Then 7 knockout games. Though they'll presumably have plates and shields and stuff for lower placings.
    But they are having two different three hour ticketing slots on each of the three days, so difficult to see how theres enough games to spread it out such that's its a worthwhile ticket to buy.
    https://smsprio2016-a.akamaihd.net/sport/rtfhAw/rio2016_spectator_guide_og_rugby_en.pdf (page 2)
    AFAIK it is

    Day 1 for round 1 (6 matches) and 1 for round 2 (6 matches).

    Day 2 is round 3 (6 matches) then quarter finals + bowl semis.

    Day 3 is plate/cup semis + bowl finals and plate finals + cup finals (bronze and gold medals matches).

    So essentially its 2 matches a day for each team


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    RichieRich89
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    It was pretty impressive how Morris Kirksey won silver in the 100m, and picked up a gold in rugby last time out


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    The Lost Sheep
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    NZ squads named.
    http://www.worldrugby.org/news/174026
    Men's squad: Scott Curry (captain), Sam Dickson, DJ Forbes, Akira Ioane, Rieko Ioane, Gillies Kaka, Tim Mikkelson, Augustine Pulu, Teddy Stanaway, Regan Ware, Joe Webber, Sonny Bill Williams.

    Travelling reserves; Sione Molia, Lewis Ormond.

    Women's squad: Shakira Baker, Kelly Brazier, Gayle Broughton, Theresa Fitzpatrick, Sarah Goss (captain), Kayla McAlister, Huriana Manuel, Tyla Nathan-Wong, Terina Te Tamaki, Ruby Tui, Niall Williams, Portia Woodman.

    Travelling reserves: Michaela Blyde, Shiray Tane


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    French squads named.
    http://www.worldrugby.org/news/175081
    Men's squad: Jérémy Aicardi, Steeve Barry, Terry Bouhraoua (captain), Julien Candelon, Damien Cler, Manoël Dall Igna, Vincent Inigo, Pierre-Gilles Lakafia, Jonathan Laugel, Stephen Parez, Virimi Vakatawa, Sacha Valleau.

    Women's squad: Audrey Amiel, Pauline Biscarat, Camille Grassineau, Lina Guérin, Elodie Guiglion, Fanny Horta (captain), Shannon Izar, Caroline Ladagnous, Jade le Pesq, Marjorie Mayans, Rose Thomas, Jennifer Troncy.


    South Africa squad:
    Kyle Brown (c), Tim Agaba, Philip Snyman, Werner Kok, Dylan Sage, Kwagga Smith, Rosko Specman, Cheslin Kolbe, Cecil Afrika, Justin Geduld, Juan de Jongh, Seabelo Senatla
    Travelling reserves: Chris Dry, Francois Hougaard


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    looking forward to the 7s in the Olympics - will anyone stop Fiji ? - All blacks I suppose , maybe Britain or US as a long shot - should be fun.


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    The Lost Sheep
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    thebaz wrote: »
    looking forward to the 7s in the Olympics - will anyone stop Fiji? - All blacks I suppose, maybe Britain or US as a long shot - should be fun.
    New Zealand, South Africa will definitely be challenging Fiji. Don't think its simply a case of anyone stopping Fiji by a long shot. Don't see USA or Britain as long shot for gold at all.


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    The Lost Sheep
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    Womens tournament starts Saturday..
    First game 3pm between France and Spain


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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    Womens tournament starts Saturday..
    First game 3pm between France and Spain

    any idea when the mens starts ?

    ps thought the Irish women were close to qualifying , what happened ?


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    thebaz wrote: »
    any idea when the mens starts ?

    Starts on Tuesday August 9th (3pm Irish time).
    Continues on August 10th and August 11th. The gold medal match is at 11pm Irish time.


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    The Lost Sheep
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    thebaz wrote: »
    any idea when the mens starts?

    ps thought the Irish women were close to qualifying, what happened
    Womens team were in the final qualifier and it was held in UCD in June. There was 1 spot up for grabs in that event and we got to the semi finals. Losing to Russia before beating Kazakstan to finish 3rd.
    Spain qualified from that tournament.
    Mens as others have posted is between August 9th and 11th


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    thebaz
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    thanks guys - was hoping for Irish participation , someone told the mens nearly qualified too , but Spain got in over the more fancied Samoa - regardless ,looking forward to it


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    It is ridiculous that we don't have a strong 7's team in the Olympics.

    I can't help but feel that if Ireland invested heavily in the 7's format, it would reap dividends in the senior national team.

    When you think about the cultivation of 7's skills, the running, flowing, passing style of play, it would help to generate a flow of players who are able to think on their feet like the Argies or Aussies were in the WC. In other words, it would be a tangible step towards bridging the glaring gap on display in the world cup.

    It is criminal that we don't have a decent team in the Olympics when you consider how popular the sport is in this country. Can't believe it's not even really discussed in the media either, George Hook is the only pundit I've ever heard mention it.


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    Deleted User wrote: »
    It is ridiculous that we don't have a strong 7's team in the Olympics.

    I can't help but feel that if Ireland invested heavily in the 7's format, it would reap dividends in the senior national team.

    When you think about the cultivation of 7's skills, the running, flowing, passing style of play, it would help to generate a flow of players who are able to think on their feet like the Argies or Aussies were in the WC. In other words, it would be a tangible step towards bridging the glaring gap on display in the world cup.

    It is criminal that we don't have a decent team in the Olympics when you consider how popular the sport is in this country. Can't believe it's not even really discussed in the media either, George Hook is the only pundit I've ever heard mention it.
    Why do you think there is a correlation between success in 7s game and 15s game as there isn't really. 7s has become very much a specialist game and when you say invest heavily in 7s in terms of Ireland and the IRFU? What do you want this money to be spent on and where do you take it from in terms of current benefit.
    It isn't due to 7s that the Argies/Aussies etc were playing such free flowing rugby in the last 15s world cup
    It isn't criminal at all that we don't have a team in the Olympics. There is only 12 spots. Because we are not competing at the world series level we were competing for only 2 spots and we finished 7th in the final ranking tournament where there was only 1 spot in the Olympics up for grabs


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