South Africa V Ireland, Second Test Build-up Thread

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

evil_seed wrote: »

clearly guys haven't been watching Roux play with Connacht. Not concerned with this at all. Delighted for Tiernan too

He wasn't in the team for the last part of the season, was he?

awec

molloyjh wrote: »

I'd say it's going to be tough deciding between the two for Ulster if they can both stay fit and in form. Leinster can take Olding off Ulsters hands I suppose....

Marshall plays 13 for Ulster.

connemara man

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

He wasn't in the team for the last part of the season, was he?

He hasn't played since the Treviso match 29 April.

bilston

Wow.

One thing Roux might have is experience of the highveldt but it's a ballsy call. You'd have to think Dillane has a knock though. Even then I'd have thought Ryan would have been ahead of Roux.

Loving the sight of Henderson at 6. That's powerful back row. I guess Best and Heaslip will be our chief poachers.

I'm really excited to see Olding at 12. Hopefully we see more of Gilroy with the ball than without! Finally it will be great to see TOH get some gametime. His form definitely merits it.

Again an utter disgrace. 5 Leinster starters and only 2 on the bench.

Schmidt has forgotten his roots. Time to move on.

They've even had to go as far as pretending that Henderson is a Leinster player to get the numbers up!
http://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2016/0616/796059-roux-set-for-debut-as-schmidt-makes-five-changes/

Conservative rubbish as usual from him.

bilston

molloyjh wrote: »

swiwi_ wrote: »

I feel genuinely sorry for Marshall. I mean I think it's great Olding is getting a run, but poor old Luke, after battling back from all those concussion issues and loss of form, has a very decent season for Ulster...puts in an excellent stint for Ireland...and gets the joy of watching someone else have a chance to take his spot.

Bet he was like "yeah, Stu, well done mate, delighted for you", with such gritted teeth even Jamie's Beat's headphones couldn't block out the din.

I'd say it's going to be tough deciding between the two for Ulster if they can both stay fit and in form. Leinster can take Olding off Ulsters hands I suppose....

Olding 12
Marshall 13

Easy.

I swear McCloskey was only getting the nod iver Olding because Ulster had feck all ball carriers with Williams injured. Not that that is going to change massively for the first part of next season.

Nice problem to have though.

errlloyd

If we win this game I think the IRFU should be doing everything in their power to keep him, even up to cutting all communications in and out of Ireland so no Super Rugby franchises can lure him away.

Clearlier

It's Furlong I'm most interested to see. We all know that he offers more around the pitch than Ross but to date all of the evidence that we have suggests that his scrummaging is still off the level of Ross. Ross had trouble with Mtawarira last week but we didn't get to see Furlong against him as he left the pitch at the same time as Ross. This week we get to see how Furlong handles him right from the start.

Clearlier

errlloyd wrote: »

If we win this game I think the IRFU should be doing everything in their power to keep him, even up to cutting all communications in and out of Ireland so no Super Rugby franchises can lure him away.

I really don't see the result of this game changing the IRFU's opinion one way or the other. They've made it very clear that they want him to stay, the ball is in Joe's court.

sydthebeat

will this team be the youngest average age under Schmidt ?

MJohnston

Good god I can't wait for this match now with that team.

former total

evil_seed wrote: »

clearly guys haven't been watching Roux play with Connacht. Not concerned with this at all. Delighted for Tiernan too

Well, he finished the season behind Muldowney, Dillane and Andrew Browne, so no, we haven't been watching him play for Connacht...

Buer

I'm surprised they went with Roux. He has less than 3 full games of rugby under his belt in 2016. To start against the Boks in a test match is going to push his fitness to the absolute limit. We can forget about Toner not playing back to back 80 minutes.

the baby bull elephant

Is the first test still available on Youtube? Can't find it there and this announcement has really made me want to rewatch it.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

bilston wrote: »

Olding 12
Marshall 13

Easy.

I swear McCloskey was only getting the nod iver Olding because Ulster had feck all ball carriers with Williams injured. Not that that is going to change massively for the first part of next season.

Nice problem to have though.

Payne at 15, Charlie on the wing with one of Trimble/Bowe/Gilroy.

Simples.

Stheno

Looking forward to this

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Murray Kinsella says that other than Stander none of the changes were forced ones, ie. nobody is injured or carrying a knock.

Podge_irl

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Murray Kinsella says that other than Stander none of the changes were forced ones, ie. nobody is injured or carrying a knock.

Don't get Dillane losing out in that case. Not like he put in a long shift

gamma001

Podge_irl wrote: »

Don't get Dillane losing out in that case. Not like he put in a long shift

Id guess it's related to Furlong starting

wp_rathead

Podge_irl wrote: »

Don't get Dillane losing out in that case. Not like he put in a long shift

Roux is a big Tighthead lock - will help Furlong come scrum time
Roux was potential Connacht player of the season last year - he has been cursed with injuries this year unfortunately

Also interesting that Bealham is covering TH on the bench

Cannot wait for this match

Podge_irl

gamma001 wrote: »

Id guess it's related to Furlong starting

Yeah, I know Schmidt is big on having an actual tighthead lock. Would have thought Dillane would provide better impact from the bench than Ryan though.

And Reidy over Murphy is a bit odd too.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Podge_irl wrote: »

Don't get Dillane losing out in that case. Not like he put in a long shift

Maybe he's being saved for the 3rd test.

I wonder what Schmidt's plans were re rotation of players before we went down there and if that's changed in any way having won the first test?

Looking at the players available to us would anyone call this a second string side? I'm sure some people would argue Earls over Gilroy on the wing, but other than that is there anyone who will be kicking their heels (unenforced) on Saturday that would improve the side drastically?

Teferi

Really interesting selection. Looking forward to the game, I don't think we'll win it with the chosen team but I think we will learn quite a bit.

Zzippy

Am I the only one thinking that Joe's got all adventurous now because he knows he's leaving... no need to be conservative anymore.

former total wrote: »

Well, he finished the season behind Muldowney, Dillane and Andrew Browne, so no, we haven't been watching him play for Connacht...

He spent most of the season injured, and tbh nearly every other Irish lock bar Toner would have been behind Muldowney and Dillane this season the way they were playing.

shuffol

Cracking selection, looks like Ruddock and Murphy are both getting a shot at the 7 jersey ahead of the final test.

Hagz

It's the summer tests. People shouldn't look at a players absence as him being dropped. Luke Marshall hasn't been dropped for Olding. Giving players an opportunity is refreshing. I'm very excited about this selection.

Mr Tickle

Zzippy wrote: »

He spent most of the season injured, and tbh nearly every other Irish lock bar Toner would have been behind Muldowney and Dillane this season the way they were playing.

If only Muldowney was staying in Ireland (and was maybe 3 years younger). Himself and Henderson in the 2nd row for Ireland. drool

vienne86

Fascinating team. Delighted for Olding, but hope Marshall is just getting rested. Second row is amazing. I'm a huge fan of Roux but he has been incredibly unlucky with injuries. He's a big lump of a guy who will add weight to the scrum, which could be needed on the tight head side with Ross missing. And he speaks Afrikaans I think. Delighted for TOH, and hope he gets a run, but also delighted Payne is staying at 15.

Can't wait for this!

CMOTDibbler

Zzippy wrote: »

Am I the only one thinking that Joe's got all adventurous now because he knows he's leaving... no need to be conservative anymore.

I hope niot. In any case Joe has previous with Leinster. The one thing I would say is that Joe doesn't set out to lose a game, he always wants to win, so this selection is about winning.

Zzippy wrote: »

He spent most of the season injured, and tbh nearly every other Irish lock bar Toner would have been behind Muldowney and Dillane this season the way they were playing.

I'd agree with that. But again, this isn't about players being dropped. Decin Toner must be a very fit man to be in the frame for another 80 minute stretch.

Mahatma Geansai

Exciting selection. Some odd selections - Roux in particular stands out - but the side has a very fresh, if somewhat weakened, look to it.

Hopefully Schmidt isn't only shedding the shackles now as he knows that he is off when the tour is over.