Official Conor McGregor thread (part 2). **Read warning in 1st post**

Lukker-

Pettis would be a huge draw if he became FW champion. Not over a million PPV buys big, but people like Conor and Ronda are the exception not the rule, they want the other champs to be bringing in 500k+ which is perfectly healthy numbers.

People saying FW division would die without Conor are being ridiculous.

jcd5971

Lukker- wrote:

People saying FW division would die without Conor are being ridiculous.

Yep same was said when couture, left and same was said when gsp left.

Newsflash there's always someone else coming.

Mellor

H8GHOTI wrote: »

Aldo fighting someone else for the interim title again while Conor keeps his belt would be daft. Can't see that happening.

If Conor isn't stripped. Aldo might not want to sit around.
He is getting more attention now that he ever did prior to McGregor. He may wish to capitalize on that.

BOHtox wrote: »

Has something like that happened before?

The interim title holder defending his interim belt?

Big Nog was interim champion while Randy was on hiatus.
Randy came back, losing the title to Lesnar.
At the very next PPV, Mir beat Big Nog to take the interim title.

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I find it very odd that, if it's such a piece of cake to get it overturned, there's been literally no mention of Conor's medical suspension since it was announced. I thought Kavanagh had been saying that they'd have it overturned the week after 202?

The 6 month suspension (February) is routine to turn over.
But there's also a clause that he much serve the suspension until at least October. That part can't be overturned.

Mellor

OrgasmicBaz wrote: »

By that I mean that the title would be up for contest maybe 2-3 times a year. At the moment its non-existent

Like before Conor became champ? When it was defended every few months...oh wait.

MagicIRL

I would like to see Conor defend the belt once, then vacate it and play in the 155 division. I don't think anyone can dethrone him in Featherweight, but I've always held the opinion that a champ isn't a real champ until they have won the belt and successfully defended the belt once. That opinion doesn't change simply because Conor is Irish.

The money is too good for him to pass up fighting these big fights, so I doubt we'll see him back to defend the 145 and really I can't blame him. Everything he does generates him huge income, so more power to him. But if he's not going to fight at 145, then vacate the belt and lets get the division moving.

Personally I think Conor fights for the 155 title at UFC205 in New York, becomes a two division champion, then vacates the 145 title almost immediately. I think Alvarez takes too many punches when he brawls, and reckon Conor puts him away in under 3.

newbbieb

jcd5971 wrote: »

Yep same was said when couture, left and same was said when gsp left.

Newsflash there's always someone else coming.

Before Conor came to that division it definitely had good fighters but it was one of if not the worst performing divisions,so when people say it will be dead they mean it will probably go back to how it was before Conor arrrived.

There will always be other fighters coming off course but there definitely won't always be 145 pounders that can sell over a million ppvs,there won't be the same interest in the all the other fighters,Conor raised the profile of every single fighter in the top 10 of that division.

Depp

MagicIRL wrote: »

I would like to see Conor defend the belt once, then vacate it and play in the 155 division. I don't think anyone can dethrone him in Featherweight, but I've always held the opinion that a champ isn't a real champ until they have won the belt and successfully defended the belt once. That opinion doesn't change simply because Conor is Irish.

The money is too good for him to pass up fighting these big fights, so I doubt we'll see him back to defend the 145 and really I can't blame him. Everything he does generates him huge income, so more power to him. But if he's not going to fight at 145, then vacate the belt and lets get the division moving.

Personally I think Conor fights for the 155 title at UFC205 in New York, becomes a two division champion, then vacates the 145 title almost immediately. I think Alvarez takes too many punches when he brawls, and reckon Conor puts him away in under 3.

really think thats the best route to go alright!

Outlaw Pete

Don't you reckon the whole "13 seconds was a fluke" thing is something that Conor would like to obliterate though?

Can't see Conor not fighting Aldo within the next two fights tbh.

I think the fact that Aldo has toned down his remarks about McGregor, to the point where he was almost saying he likes him, suggests, to me anyway, that he has been given some kind of assurance that Conor will fight him at some stage.

I feel if Aldo got the impression he was not getting a rematch he would be vocal about it and I actually think it would be more about money than the belt. Not sure how rich Aldo is or anything but you're talking $20m after ppv cut, no way he is gonna get that fighting anyone else.... and especially so given that he doesn't have that long left in his career.

Aldo was on some TV show a couple of days back where he gave the following interview where he spoke about fighting Pettis (I think he'd be mad to as *if* he lost it could damage his chances of getting a McGregor rematch):

http://www.punditarena.com/mmaufc/sraftery/jose-aldo-prays-every-night-mcgregor-rematch/


Holloway reacted to the interview with the following:

https://twitter.com/BlessedMMA/status/775833697052274688

Swashbuckler

Outlaw Pete wrote:

Don't you reckon the whole "13 seconds was a fluke" thing is something that Conor would like to obliterate though?

I'd be surprised and disappointed if Conor gave a sh*t. Seems like no matter what he does there's always some excuse. If Conor cared about that stuff he'd have to go back and fight Mendes on a full camp, Aldo for longer than 13 seconds, and possibly add in Swanson and Lamas and re-win the 145 belt so he can say he didn't have an easy path to the title.

wonderfullife

MMA "Insider" Dizz is claiming on Twitter that Conor v Eddie will be announced before Saturday and that Conor will be keeping the FW belt and it will be a champion v champion event, with a presser for the event "soon".

As i've said before, this guy gets a lot of scoops correct.

It's also worth noting that he's followed by Eddie Alvarez, Dana White and Audie Attar (Conors manager) on Twitter. At the very least that means he can send any of them a PM.

So the chances of him actually being fed reliable information on certain stuff is pretty high.

froog

Outlaw Pete wrote:

Don't you reckon the whole "13 seconds was a fluke" thing is something that Conor would like to obliterate though?

Don't know many who think it was a fluke.

JJayoo

froog wrote: »

Don't know many who think it was a fluke.

Knocking the p4p out with one punch while receiving virtually no damage is, imo, akin to a pro golfer getting a hole in one. You need the talent to put the ball consistently on the green but you also need luck to get that millimetre perfect shot/punch.

Mellor

JJayoo wrote: »

Knocking the p4p out with one punch while receiving virtually no damage is, imo, akin to a pro golfer getting a hole in one. You need the talent to put the ball consistently on the green but you also need luck to get that millimetre perfect shot/punch.

That's a good analogy.
But I also think I highlights the difference between it and an outright fluke.

If I got a hole in one on the golf course. It'd be a total fluke.
If Rory McIroy does it. He may of had a bit of luck on his side, but it's not a fluke.

Tazzimus

JJayoo wrote: »

Knocking the p4p out with one punch while receiving virtually no damage is, imo, akin to a pro golfer getting a hole in one. You need the talent to put the ball consistently on the green but you also need luck to get that millimetre perfect shot/punch.

Except it's not the first time he's done it

Outlaw Pete

Reminds of the famous quote by Samuel Goldwyn.

The harder I work, the luckier I get.

finglashoop

Mellor wrote: »

That's a good analogy.
But I also think I highlights the difference between it and an outright fluke.

If I got a hole in one on the golf course. It'd be a total fluke.
If Rory McIroy does it. He may of had a bit of luck on his side, but it's not a fluke.

Its not luck. Golfers aim for the hole so when it goes in, they succeeded not got lucky . Same with mcgregor. He aimed for the chin and caught it perfectly.

wonderfullife

JJayoo wrote: »

Knocking the p4p out with one punch while receiving virtually no damage is, imo, akin to a pro golfer getting a hole in one. You need the talent to put the ball consistently on the green but you also need luck to get that millimetre perfect shot/punch.

By that logic, every KO rendering an opponent unconscious is a fluke.

It shouldn't matter if it takes 13 seconds or 3 rounds, if you land a good shot on your opponents chin and KO him unconscious then there's no luck involved.

Otherwise, by your thinking every Dominick Cruz KO or Demian Maia submission is a bit of a fluke. They takes zero damage against top guys - Cruz dances around them and Maia drags them to the ground and chokes them. You're basically saying Cruz gets lucky when he lands on their chin and Maia needs the talent to pass their guard but it takes luck to get that millimeter perfect takedown in the first place.

There are instances where i do believe luck plays a part. For example - against Dustin Poirier, i've no doubt in my mind that he wasn't aiming for behind his right ear. He may have been aiming for the temple or chin, but he caught him at such a weird angle behind the ear and Dustin crumbled, allowing the hammerfists to stop him. That's an easier argument to make.

Anyway, I don't think luck should be mentioned. I don't think fluke should be mentioned. 13 seconds or 13 minutes it really shouldn't matter. A one-punch KO at any stage of any round is the execution of talent.

Mellor

finglashoop wrote: »

Its not luck. Golfers aim for the hole so when it goes in, they succeeded not got lucky . Same with mcgregor. He aimed for the chin and caught it perfectly.

Nobody is saying they didn't aim for the hole. That doesn't mean there's not an element of luck involved too. Goes both ways, were they can get unlucky too.

And as above, the fact luck can play a role doesn't demote it to a fluke.

Alf Veedersane

finglashoop wrote: »

Its not luck. Golfers aim for the hole so when it goes in, they succeeded not got lucky

So what do you call it when they aim for the hole and miss?

I've seen plenty of fairway shots not go into the hole? Did the golfer fail? Was he unlucky?

Depp

are we seriously dealing with this again? to call the aldo ko luck is ridiculous at this stage

clsmooth

Mellor wrote: »

Nobody is saying they didn't aim for the hole. That doesn't mean there's not an element of luck involved too. Goes both ways, were they can get unlucky too.

And as above, the fact luck can play a role doesn't demote it to a fluke.

http://i.makeagif.com/save/Dc73js

AlmightyCushion

Just because people are saying there is an element of luck in McGregor KO'ing Aldo in 13 seconds or a pro golfer getting a hole in one doesn't mean they are saying it was a fluke. I've never fought or played golf before, if I was to get a hole in one or KO Aldo in 13 seconds then it's a fluke because there would be absolutely no skill involved just sheer luck. With someone like McGregor KO'ing Aldo in 13 seconds it mostly skill with a bit of luck thrown in for good measure. Doesn't mean it was a fluke or negate his skill and talent.

DeVore

Its hard to say its luck when he demonstrated it in the changing room beforehand

Useful.Idiot

DeVore wrote: »

Its hard to say its luck when he demonstrated it in the changing room beforehand

Not to mention he even predicted in a pre-fight interview that that exact counter would KO an over-emotional Aldo.

JJayoo

JJayoo wrote: »

Knocking the p4p out with one punch while receiving virtually no damage is, imo, akin to a pro golfer getting a hole in one. You need the talent to put the ball consistently on the green but you also need luck to get that millimetre perfect shot/punch.

"You need the talent to put the ball consistently on the green"

I think alot of people missed the above part.

Outlaw Pete

DeVore wrote: »

Its hard to say its luck when he demonstrated it in the changing room beforehand

Pretty much described it an interview too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1QO4mC1n2A

irish_major

Please please announce a fight for 205. I'm in New York that weekend!

finglashoop

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

So what do you call it when they aim for the hole and miss?

I've seen plenty of fairway shots not go into the hole? Did the golfer fail? Was he unlucky?

Same as when a punch is thrown and is missed. The technique was off or their judgement or distance or timing.

A fluke in golf is obvious as the ball could take a weird bounce or hit something and go in a different direction.

I think a fluke ko is a rare thing to be honest.

TimRiggins

Lukker- wrote: »

Pettis would be a huge draw if he became FW champion. Not over a million PPV buys big, but people like Conor and Ronda are the exception not the rule, they want the other champs to be bringing in 500k+ which is perfectly healthy numbers.

People saying FW division would die without Conor are being ridiculous.

No he wouldn't. When he was at his peak going into the RDA fight and that only did 310k. He's lost 3 fights in his last 4. A FW title won't turn Pettis (Or anybody) into a draw.

rob316

irish_major wrote: »

Please please announce a fight for 205. I'm in New York that weekend!

Good luck man getting a ticket will be next to impossible I'd say been the first event in new York.