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Official Conor McGregor thread (part 2). **Read warning in 1st post**

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  • #4082
    JustShon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭JustShon


    lougal88 wrote: »
    I feel the same about Aldo vs McGregor, but Aldo's calls for a rematch were laughed at.

    No complaints, Conor caught him rushing in. It was a fantastic KO.
    But I'd love to see that rematch, think it would be a lot different if Aldo was in the right headspace.

    I definitely think Aldo deserves the rematch before Conor gets his against Diaz.

    I want to see the Diaz rematch, I really want to see it but I think Conor should defend his belt first. Aldo / Edgar deserve their shot. Especially Aldo, his fight with Conor was definitely not representative of his capabilities.


  • #4083
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    lougal88 wrote: »
    I don't feel like he OWES anybody an explanation per se.
    But I still think he should explain his actions. I think if a different fighter told the world they were on a card that they hadn't signed to they would be destroyed for it.

    He shouldn't have posted it, I think everyone sees that. But if you went and booked a flight off the back of that tweet alone, then you only have yourself to blame.

    As soon as I saw that tweet, I said, let's see what Dana says...


  • #4084
    srm23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,298 ✭✭✭srm23


    Saipanne wrote: »
    So he saved two cards that you attended, and yet, you still feel like he owes you...

    He owes you **** all.

    cards he was going to in the first place to support Mcgregor?


  • #4085
    JustTheOne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭JustTheOne


    JustShon wrote: »
    I definitely think Aldo deserves the rematch before Conor gets his against Diaz.

    I want to see the Diaz rematch, I really want to see it but I think Conor should defend his belt first. Aldo / Edgar deserve their shot. Especially Aldo, his fight with Conor was definitely not representative of his capabilities.

    Laughable.

    You're only as good as your last fight.

    He got beaten because he let his guard down. That is representive of his capabilities.

    It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile.


  • #4086
    srm23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,298 ✭✭✭srm23


    Saipanne wrote: »
    He shouldn't have posted it, I think everyone sees that. But if you went and booked a flight off the back of that tweet alone, then you only have yourself to blame.

    As soon as I saw that tweet, I said, let's see what Dana says...

    obviously not many booked after that second tweet - a lot would have booked after the ufc announced the fight months back. it was annoying then having already booked the flights for conor to say he is back on it to these fans - then nothing since.


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  • #4087
    Adamocovic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,292 ✭✭✭Adamocovic


    Saipanne wrote: »
    So he saved two cards that you attended, and yet, you still feel like he owes you...

    He owes you **** all.

    It's quite understandable that fans would be annoyed with whats gone on and would like to hear why he acted as such.

    On the underlined bit you are right in the thinking that he isn't obligated to give an explanation of his action but despite that you would expect him to explain what happened to his fans out of respect to them.

    Yes he's made it where he is through hard work and determination but without the huge support of fans he wouldn't have achieved what he has, and you would imagine as a sign of good faith to them he would explain what happened.


  • #4088
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,386 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    dulux99 wrote: »
    I've had my flights booked since before this whole debacle. To wake up that morning and think for a while that the fight was back on, was a great feeling. To have it slowly unravel that it was basically a lie, wasn't very nice. It would be nice to have some sort of explanation, especially considering the money I've spent going over to Vegas, this was due to be my fourth trip in 12 months.
    But that tweet changed nothing, you'd still be left here with flights booked in the same situation regardless.

    I was considering going but was never going to book flights before ticket prices were out, and prob not before I had one guaranteed.


  • #4089
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    srm23 wrote: »
    cards he was going to in the first place to support Mcgregor?

    McGregor could have pulled out, like most fighters seem to do, but he didn't. So I reckon he's done enough for his committed fans.


  • #4090
    Adamocovic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,292 ✭✭✭Adamocovic


    JustTheOne wrote: »
    Laughable.

    You're only as good as your last fight.

    He got beaten because he let his guard down. That is representive of his capabilities.

    It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile.

    So by that logic McGregor shouldn't have a rematch with Diaz, as his loss was a representative of his capabilities.

    Gotch'ya


  • #4091
    dulux99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,795 ✭✭✭dulux99


    JustTheOne wrote: »
    In fairness you should only go by what the ufc say about fights been on or off.

    I did go on what the ufc had said. They announced diaz vs mcgregor 2 and I booked flights accordingly, just like I did for 189, 194 and 196.

    @saipanne, don't get me wrong, I'm not angry at McGregor for any of the debacle of him being pulled from the fight. I think he was absolutely right in what he did. However if you take my personal circumstances out of it, where he did save two of the cards, I was travelling on this trip with three guys who hadn't been to Vegas before, one of which is after taking out an absolutely gargantuan loan from the credit union to bring himself and his 15 year old son who idolises Conor. Imagine how both of them feel, and trying to explain to a 15 year old lad that McGregor was only messing when he said he was back on the card?


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  • #4092
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    dulux99 wrote: »
    I did go on what the ufc had said. They announced diaz vs mcgregor 2 and I booked flights accordingly, just like I did for 189, 194 and 196.

    @saipanne, don't get me wrong, I'm not angry at McGregor for any of the debacle of him being pulled from the fight. I think he was absolutely right in what he did. However if you take my personal circumstances out of it, where he did save two of the cards, I was travelling on this trip with three guys who hadn't been to Vegas before, one of which is after taking out an absolutely gargantuan loan from the credit union to bring himself and his 15 year old son who idolises Conor. Imagine how both of them feel.

    What has your mate paid for that can't be retrieved? Hotels tend to be painless to cancel. Flights can get something refunded. No fight tickets yet. Take the losses and plan for his next fight?


  • #4093
    JustShon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭JustShon


    JustTheOne wrote: »
    Laughable.

    You're only as good as your last fight.

    He got beaten because he let his guard down. That is representive of his capabilities.

    It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile.

    You can't be seriously suggesting that getting knocked out 13 seconds into the fight is the best that Aldo could do.

    I'm not making excuses for him, he fcuked up and he got smashed for it. He deserved the loss and deserved to lose the belt but he could definitely put on a better show in a rematch.


  • #4094
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,386 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Saipanne wrote: »
    What has your mate paid for that can't be retrieved? Hotels tend to be painless to cancel. Flights can get something refunded. No fight tickets yet. Take the losses and plan for his next fight?
    the flights are likely the brunt of the expense and I don't think any airline does refunds. None that I've flown anyway.


  • #4095
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    Mellor wrote: »
    the flights are likely the brunt of the expense and I don't think any airline does refunds. None that I've flown anyway.

    You can get the taxes back, I think. Still a loss, but it's something.


  • #4096
    dulux99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,795 ✭✭✭dulux99


    Saipanne wrote: »
    What has your mate paid for that can't be retrieved? Hotels tend to be painless to cancel. Flights can get something refunded. No fight tickets yet. Take the losses and plan for his next fight?

    We are still going. The problem for my pal with his kid is getting him time off school. July is perfect for the summer hols, and I know it's being discussed that Conor may fight later in the summer but as someone else said booking a second set of flights wasn't feasible for them, when it may or may not even happen, and the trip to Vegas was the kids Christmas present.


  • #4097
    johnpatrick81
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭johnpatrick81


    ^ that was the point I was making all along. McGregor has punked his own fans.


  • #4098
    lougal88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭lougal88


    Saipanne wrote: »
    lougal88 wrote: »
    I don't feel like he OWES anybody an explanation per se.
    But I still think he should explain his actions. I think if a different fighter told the world they were on a card that they hadn't signed to they would be destroyed for it.

    He shouldn't have posted it, I think everyone sees that. But if you went and booked a flight off the back of that tweet alone, then you only have yourself to blame.

    As soon as I saw that tweet, I said, let's see what Dana says...
    I didn't book flights off the back of it or any such thing.
    I never really believed he was back on the card for 200.
    I'd just like to know his thought process...
    I'll tweet this, fans will love it, Dana and the UFC will crumble and book the fight?
    It was as desperate as some of Aldo's recent tweets which are usually highly embarrassing.


  • #4099
    Lukker-
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,405 ✭✭✭Lukker-


    I feel for some fans who booked tickets but you have to expect fights to get called off unfortunately.

    It works both ways too. Conor has saved cards before, with much shorter notice both times. Loads of fighters like Werdum and Jones would have pulled and left fans no choice but to go.

    I think it's worth booking through booking agents for UFC events, you can do it before tickets are released and that way you can cancel and get a full refund if something goes wrong.


  • #4100
    JustTheOne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭JustTheOne


    Adamocovic wrote: »
    So by that logic McGregor shouldn't have a rematch with Diaz, as his loss was a representative of his capabilities.

    Gotch'ya

    Yeah pretty much. But people say he was beaten fair and square whereas some people here suggest Aldo wasn't and it's not fair.

    No excuses from conor but many from Aldo.


  • #4101
    johnpatrick81
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    Lukker- wrote: »
    It works both ways too. Conor has saved cards before, with much shorter notice both times. Loads of fighters like Werdum and Jones would have pulled and left fans no choice but to go.

    You can't compare injury related pull outs to McGregor hissy fit pull out. Especially after all his "injured vagina" comments. People will defend him to the hilt, but he has screwed his fans over and made himself out to be the ultimate hypocrite.


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  • #4102
    CSF
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    XsApollo wrote: »
    If anything it's the Aldo fight that feels unresolved.
    Would love to see them go a few rounds at each other.

    Hold on a sec, let me get this straight, so the fight where one party landed absolutely no offence before being unceremoniously KOed at a weight class he'd been fighting at his all his life in a fight he'd been preparing for with a full camp feels unresolved.

    But the one where the party would have been actually ahead of the scorecards before a great punch effectively ended the fight does not. How does this make sense? Seems like another of these 'twist the argument in any way that does not reflect well on McGregor' type things.


  • #4103
    akelly02
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    JustTheOne wrote: »
    Yeah pretty much. But people say he was beaten fair and square whereas some people here suggest Aldo wasn't and it's not fair.

    No excuses from conor but many from Aldo.

    Conor did have an excuse, he shot himself in the foot however. He said '' 155ers and 145ers crumble under them shots. What he seems to be forgetting is Nate is a 155er. So essentially he was blaming the weight.


  • #4104
    JustShon
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    JustTheOne wrote: »
    Yeah pretty much. But people say he was beaten fair and square whereas some people here suggest Aldo wasn't and it's not fair.

    No excuses from conor but many from Aldo.

    I certainly don't think there was anything unfair about how Aldo was beaten. He got destroyed and rightly lost his belt.

    All I'm saying is that I think he can do better against Conor and he deserves that chance. Conor deserve his chance against Diaz too.

    I think anyone who loses to someone else in any sport should be given a second chance. Lose to the same person twice without a win though and it's pretty clear who has the advantage.


  • #4105
    Lukker-
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    johnpatrick81 wrote: »
    You can't compare injury related pull outs to McGregor hissy fit pull out. Especially after all his "injured vagina" comments. People will defend him to the hilt, but he has screwed his fans over and made himself out to be the ultimate hypocrite.

    Werdum and Jones weren't injured they just didn't want short notice fights


  • #4106
    johnpatrick81
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭johnpatrick81


    Which is entirely understandable. Again way more understandable than McGregor's post agreement hissy fit.


  • #4107
    CSF
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,478 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    JustShon wrote: »
    You can't be seriously suggesting that getting knocked out 13 seconds into the fight is the best that Aldo could do.

    I'm not making excuses for him, he fcuked up and he got smashed for it. He deserved the loss and deserved to lose the belt but he could definitely put on a better show in a rematch.

    There's rarely a fight where the losing party couldn't have done better on another day. Those where someone performs to their absolute maximum and still can't win are the sort of mismatches that should never take place.

    In the end, Aldo approaches the fight wrong on the night, stormed in like a bull and got KOed. In the same way that McGregor approached the Diaz fight wrong and showboated a little too much, gassed and Diaz took advantage like the tough b*stard that he is.

    Could Aldo beat McGregor on a given night? Absolutely. Could McGregor beat Diaz on a given night? Absolutely. Does that mean either deserves a rematch? Only if the public wishes for it to be so. In the end you have to perform on the night and neither did.


  • #4108
    JustShon
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    CSF wrote: »
    Could Aldo beat McGregor on a given night? Absolutely. Could McGregor beat Diaz on a given night? Absolutely. Does that mean either deserves a rematch? Only if the public wishes for it to be so. In the end you have to perform on the night and neither did.

    As I've said earlier, in my opinion everyone deserves at least one rematch against someone who beat them. One shot to show that they can do better against that person. After that, well you had two chances to beat them and didn't manage so shut up and accept that they're better than you.

    As for what the public wants, rematches are generally pretty hype so I wouldn't worry too much on that front. I know Conor v Diaz had split opinions but anything involving Conor has split opinions, he should be Conor "Marmite" McGregor.


  • #4109
    lougal88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭lougal88


    CSF wrote: »
    JustShon wrote: »
    You can't be seriously suggesting that getting knocked out 13 seconds into the fight is the best that Aldo could do.

    I'm not making excuses for him, he fcuked up and he got smashed for it. He deserved the loss and deserved to lose the belt but he could definitely put on a better show in a rematch.

    There's rarely a fight where the losing party couldn't have done better on another day. Those where someone performs to their absolute maximum and still can't win are the sort of mismatches that should never take place.

    In the end, Aldo approaches the fight wrong on the night, stormed in like a bull and got KOed. In the same way that McGregor approached the Diaz fight wrong and showboated a little too much, gassed and Diaz took advantage like the tough b*stard that he is.

    Could Aldo beat McGregor on a given night? Absolutely. Could McGregor beat Diaz on a given night? Absolutely. Does that mean either deserves a rematch? Only if the public wishes for it to be so. In the end you have to perform on the night and neither did.
    Guess which one got their immediate rematch though...

    You are comparing the 2 like they are the same.


  • #4110
    CSF
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    JustShon wrote: »
    As I've said earlier, in my opinion everyone deserves at least one rematch against someone who beat them. One shot to show that they can do better against that person. After that, well you had two chances to beat them and didn't manage so shut up and accept that they're better than you.

    As for what the public wants, rematches are generally pretty hype so I wouldn't worry too much on that front. I know Conor v Diaz had split opinions but anything involving Conor has split opinions, he should be Conor "Marmite" McGregor.
    That would make sport really boring if every fight had to be had twice before it becomes in some way conclusive. What's the excitement in a fight if we know we're gonna have to have it again anyway? Rematches should be dictated by public demand, not just because someone lost and feel they could do better.


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  • #4111
    CSF
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    lougal88 wrote: »
    Guess which one got their immediate rematch though...

    You are comparing the 2 like they are the same.

    Because the public want to pay to see Conor. The public dictate the fights they'll pay to see. If the public want to pay see Conor and he wants his fight to be a rematch then that's what it's going to be. OSP can't get his rematch because nobody cares.

    Do the public want Aldo to get a rematch? Maybe, but my impression has been that they want Edgar to get a shot more.


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